McConnell, Schumer back bill to prevent efforts to subvert presidential election results
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Source: Washington Post
Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have endorsed a bipartisan electoral count reform bill in the Senate, all but cementing its passage and giving the legislation a boost as Congress seeks to prevent future efforts to subvert presidential election results.
The endorsements followed House passage of a similar bill last week. Both measures aim to stop future presidents from trying to overturn election results through Congress and were driven by the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol by a mob of Donald Trump supporters seeking to stop the certification of Joe Bidens win.
The Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act, sponsored by Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.), would amend the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and reaffirm that the vice president has only a ministerial role at the joint session of Congress to count electoral votes, as well as raise the threshold necessary for members of Congress to object to a states electors.
Speaking on the Senate floor Tuesday afternoon, McConnell said there was a need to make modest updates to the Electoral Count Act.
Congresss process for counting their presidential electors votes was written 135 years ago. The chaos that came to a head on January 6th of last year certainly underscored the need for an update, McConnell said. The Electoral Count Act ultimately produced the right conclusion
but its clear the country needs a more predictable path.
In a statement, Schumer said, Make no mistake: as our country continues to face the threat of the anti-democracy MAGA Republican movement propelled by many GOP leaders who either refused to take a stand or actively stoked the flames of division in our country reforming the Electoral Count Act ought to be the bare minimum of action the Congress takes.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/mcconnell-schumer-electoral-reform/
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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has endorsed a bipartisan electoral count reform bill in the Senate, giving the legislation a key boost over a similar bill the House passed last week. Both bills seek to prevent future presidents from trying to overturn election results through Congress, and were directly prompted by the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob seeking to stop the certification of Joe Bidens electoral win.
The Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act, sponsored by Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.), would amend the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and reaffirm that the vice president has only a ministerial role at the joint session of Congress to count electoral votes, as well as raise the threshold necessary for members of Congress to object to a states electors.
Speaking on the Senate floor Tuesday afternoon, McConnell said he would strongly support the legislation, saying it did not rashly replace current law with something untested. Congresss process for counting their presidential electors votes was written 135 ago. The chaos that came to a head on Jan. 6 of last year certainly underscored the need for an update, McConnell said. The Electoral Count Act ultimately produced the right conclusion but its clear the country needs a more predictable path.
Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) is also likely to back the bill. Both Schumer and McConnell sit on the Senate Rules Committee, which will meet Tuesday afternoon to vote on the legislation. Their votes would all but cement the bills likelihood of passing the Senate. The bill already enjoyed strong bipartisan support, with 11 Democratic and 11 Republican senators signing on to co-sponsor it last week.
I know the Senate bill is somewhat different from the more comprehensive House bill (that already passed) so some maneuvering is going to have to go on here.
Of course nothing is set into stone and if we can get more of a majority in both chambers, we could always amend if the Senate version is accepted, unchanged, by the House.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)Move to the middle.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)They plan to use the 12th Amendment instead.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)won't pass muster with the courts, and they'll lose with that like they did the 60+ cases they lost over their claims of fraud, only this time they'll be guilty of conspiracy to commit popular vote nullification.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)We shall see if it won't pass the courts, as there is a SCOTUS case this year that will determine if State Legislatures have unilateral authority to select electors - even ignoring previous laws and/or State constitutions.
But you seem pretty dismissive of something that SCOTUS may put their stamp of approval on.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)We'll see. I'm not dismissive, however you might misunderstand my outlook on SCOTUS' and lower courts' interest in staying legitimate.
intrepidity
(7,294 posts)Erik the UNred
(50 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,857 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)Let's say the Democratic candidate wins the popular vote in GA, AZ, and WI. However, the legislatures override the popular will of the people and select Republican electors. This would result in the Democrats in not having any recourse but to recognize the "selected" (not elected) electors.
AnnaLee
(1,035 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)They'll lose in the courts. They MUST accurately count and recount and choose electors accordingly. Courts won't let them get away with voter nullification.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)Which SCOTUS may put a stamp of approval on next year.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)How poorly they wrote their justification for overturning precedent in the Dobbs case will teach them that they'd better get states' rights right when it comes to governance of, by and for the people.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)867-5309.
(1,189 posts)He was among the very first repugs to acknowledge Biden's victory.
Gawd knows he is covered in warts, but maybe this isn't one of them.
Cha
(297,154 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread BumRushDaShow
BumRushDaShow
(128,857 posts)By Chris Cioffi
Posted September 21, 2022 at 5:27pm
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The two bills share many similarities, such as clarifying the vice presidents role when electoral votes are counted as ministerial. But they differ in other ways on overhauling the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which governs the acceptance of presidential votes by Congress.
Under the House version, the threshold needed for Congress to consider an objection to a states Electoral College votes would rise from a single objector in each chamber to one-third of each chamber. The Senates bills threshold is one-fifth.
Lofgren and Cheneys bill also addresses some issues that arose in the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election differently from the Senates bill, including when states could declare a failed election and substitute electors approved by voters.
The House bill does not address provisions related to the presidential transition, which Senate lawmakers included in their legislation. Members of the moderate Problem Solvers Caucus had introduced a House companion version of the Senates bill last week.
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https://rollcall.com/2022/09/21/jan-6-elections-bill-passes-house-but-uncertain-senate-future/
The 2 bills are these -
H.R.8873 - Presidential Election Reform Act
S.4573 - Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,857 posts)There are some mechanisms that they might be able to do to get both versions aligned, but it will be a tightrope they'll have to walk.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)They being of "similar values" (especially when obstructionism is involved).
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Wow. what a patriot! Going out on such a limb.
Its utterly ridiculous why every single member shouldn't back this in a so-called democracy.
This normalization of dampening down something like this as some kind of "agree to disagree" even, is appalling.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)republicans doing the right thing!