Zelensky calls to remove Russia from UN Security Council

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Source: the hill




by Laura Kelly - 09/27/22 5:27 PM ET


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky implored the United Nations Security Council on Tuesday to completely isolate Russia from the global peacekeeping body, as the majority of council members condemned Moscow for land-grabs of Ukrainian territory.

Zelensky addressed the council as Russia carries out referendums in occupied Ukrainian territory, which the U.S. and U.K. have warned are a pretext to Moscow annexing the land and escalating its military offensive in the country.

“No one will be surprised if this room of the U.N. Security Council will be turned into a zone of violence by representatives of Russia,” Zelensky said in video remarks delivered to the council.

“There is only one way to stop this all. First, the complete isolation of Russia in response to everything it does. The state cannot remain a permanent member to the U.N. Security Council with the right of veto, if such a state is waging a genocidal policy right now, keeping the world one step away from a radiation disaster and at the same time keep on threatening with nuclear strikes. Russia should be excluded from all international organizations.”................

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Genya Savilov, Pool Photo via AP
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky meets with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Kyiv, Ukraine, on Sept. 8, 2022.

[SunSeeker]

1. K & R

[brer cat]

2. I agree. K&R

[2naSalit]

3. I fully agree.

[Irish_Dem]

4. If the UN fails to eject Putin, then the UN is a failed institution.

If humans cannot stop a dangerous psychopathic leader like Putin, we are a failed species.

[onetexan]

5. i've always felt the UN should have never allowed that murderous dictator & his lying surrogates to

ever usurp the podium of the UN as its progaganda tool. They are the antithesis of what the UN is supposed to represent and stand for.

[Irish_Dem]

6. The world looked the other way, pretending Putin was a normal leader.

Gave him all the accolades of a statesman and leader.

The world didn't want to deal with a man who basically is a mob boss and sucked all the money out of Russia.
And is a serial killer, knocking off opponents and waging illegal wars.

Putin is the richest man in the world and he basically bought off the world.
And used relentless propaganda in and outside of Russia which was quite successful.

[SheltieLover]

13. This is what happens when money is their "god"

No passion for anything but greed.

Just like qpukes.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Ruthless psychopaths are being allowed to destroy the world.

Literally destroy it and all the humans along with it.

The psychopaths are doing it for power and wealth.
And they enjoy killing things.

[The Jungle 1]

25. Agree

[Mike Nelson]

7. Huh?

... is this even possible? I wonder what the UN allows... maybe there is a way to ban the Russian Federation while Putin rules?

[JohnSJ]

15. No it isn't. After WWII the allies were made permanent members of the Security Council

Removing a permanent member from the security council would effectively end the UN, which the extreme right wing have been trying to do for years.

At the minimum the UN provides a forum for a dialog between advasaries, along with humanitarian work throughout the world.

Yes, Russia is the villian by their invasion to try and destroy Ukraine. However, it provides a place where ALL the nations can meet, and in this case the almost universal condemnation of Russia for their attack against Ukraine is displayed before the world. Whether Russia as a permanent member of the Security Council vetos any condemnation of their actions or not, does not remove the almost universal condemnation of Russia's actions by the majority member nations of the UN.

NATO will be the instrument that will be used against Russia, something the UN would be unable to do.

This is another reason why trump was so dangerous, because of his attempts to try to remove the U.S. participation in NATO.

There is no question if trump won 2020, Ukraine would be no more.

[Tomconroy]

18. The Soviet Union was made a member of the Security Council.

Russia was not. It can be done by a majority vote in the General Assembly.

[JohnSJ]

21. Semantics. If the General Assembly brings that up for a vote, and expelled Russia from the SC,

I have no doubt that they would walk away from the UN.

I also don't think the influence of the U.S., and other Western Democracies would allow a vote like that to come before the General Assembly, because of the unknown risk it would provide.

While explusion from the SC may sound good on the surface to some, I think it would eliminate a public forum for dialog, and bring us closer to where an actual nuclear event might occur in Ukraine, and from there expand very rapidly, and everything needs to be done to prevent that.

The last time we were this close to a nuclear mistake was the Cuban missile crisis, and we were very fortunate that there were parties behind the scenes that managed to negotiate that down before the point of no return.

I think what is hoped for is that internal forces in Russia will be able to remove Putin before things get completely out of control.

I have no idea how probable that is, but regardless, I hope there are diplomats working behind the scenes to cool things down.

The U.S. Embassy is warning Americans to leave now.

From the State Department reported on CNN:

"Security alert for Americans in Russia

Russia may refuse to acknowledge dual nations' U.S. citzenship, deny their access to U.S. consular assistance, prevent their departure from Russia, and conscript dual nationals for military service...
and those residing or travelling in Russia should depart Russia immediately while limited commercial travel options remain"

[Lancero]

22. We're talking about expulsion from the Security Council, not the UN as a whole.

That "public forum for dialog" would still be available to Russia, as a regular member of the UN.

If Russia chooses the walk away, that's on them - And, frankly, further proof that their only interest in the UN was for the power it allowed them to exert over other nations, not a desire for world peace.

[Tomconroy]

23. Russia is a very different country than the USSR.

India is the emerging world power. It should have the seat.

[Lonestarblue]

24. As a part of the former USSR, Ukraine has as much right to be on the Security Council as

Russia does. Expelling Russia,mthough, would be difficult and it would open a can of worms for China as well. It was the Republic of China that was a founder of the UN, and today the Republic China is Taiwan. The People’s Republic of China came about through Chine civil war, and in 1971 the UN allowed the People’s Republic to replace the original Republic of China.

So most likely nothing will be done. Perhaps they could change rules that no one of the five permanent members can vote on a resolution that involves an illegal war or other activity started by that member. That would prevent Russia from using its vote to stymie the UN in regard to its current aggression against Ukraine. That said, I’m not sure there’s much the UN can do because Putin just ignores them.

[Mike Nelson]

19. Thank you...

... for explaining... my thinking, as well.

[James48]

8. Zelenski is right.

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The world made a mistake in 1991, when we allowed Russia to hold the seat that the Soviet Union held since 1946.

That seat should have gone to Ukraine.

I’m in favor of fixing the mistake.

Now.

[erronis]

16. Agree. Perhaps the 1991 decision can be revoked.

It doesn't seem reasonable that the rump of the USSR (russia) should hold the seat that was once held by an "ally". This rump is no ally of the world.

[Heather MC]

9. Why the h*** would the UN need the Ukraine to tell them To remove Russia?

Seems like a no brainer doesn't it I mean why is that you win taking in all of these countries to protect them from Russia, while keeping Russia on the security council that doesn't make any f****** sense

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[former9thward]

32. The rules don't allow it.

Which Zelensky knows.

[Heather MC]

37. You would think randomly invading some country that did nothing to you, would be grounds for removal

I guess that would put America out to lol

[Roy Rolling]

10. Never Considered This

But Zelensky makes a good case.

If military prowess is the measurement for U.N. membership, why isn’t North Korea on the Security Council?

Why does Russia get that authority when it violated the U.N. rules of peaceful nations? Putin needs to be booted out or Russia is next.

[former9thward]

33. Did the U.S. get expelled when it invaded Iraq?

The UN is full of nation's which are not peaceful.

[oldsoftie]

11. The UN is a powerless body without the US anyway.

Russia should have never been given the "Soviet Union" seat but they have it. What to do about it? China wont go along with getting rid of them so what's next

[SheltieLover]

12. Absolutely!

Russia has never been anything but a terrorist state!

[former9thward]

34. FDR didn't seem to have a problem with Russia during WW II

They took the most deaths fighting the Nazis.

[maxsolomon]

39. USSR, not Russia

That's the hair we're splitting here. The USSR no longer exists; only it's constituent Republics which are now independent nations.

[former9thward]

40. Semantics.

The USSR was the largest country in the world and Russia is now the largest country in the world. Russia was by far the largest Republic of the USSR. Russians supplied the large majority of those in the military in WW II.

[mahina]

17. Good idea.

[David__77]

20. Not going to happen, the US will absolutely not support that.

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[OnlinePoker]

26. It can be done under UN rules but Russia would have to agree

Under Article 108, all amendments to the charter must be approved by two-thirds of the General Assembly, including all permanent members of the Security Council — the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China.

https://diplomaticacademy.us/2022/04/24/russia-un-security-council/

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In other words, it won't be done because Russia won't dilute their international influence by voting themselves out of the Security Council.

[dchill]

27. K&R

[Brainfodder]

28. Sorry Russia, you were suppose to get rid of him yourself. Consequences!

A bit overwhelmed with all the other (weather) today, but yeah Putin deserves death and hard to argue against?

Nuke threat from self-gimped military situation, they are so vulnerable there, preventative take out won't surprise me?

All this hits me as soon as I heard about Embassy evac strongly urged!

GOOD LUCK!

[dlk]

29. Russia is a rogue, terrorist state

The last place they belong is on the UN Security Council.

[mahina]

30. This is been such an interesting thread. I have learned a lot.

Understanding that removal is not really an option, maybe an intermediate step like suspension or temporary removal from the security council just during an illegal war would be agreeable. Realizing the same obstacles pertain, just expanding options.

[former9thward]

31. Why would Russia agree to that?

And they would have to since they have veto power.

[ripcord]

35. No UN action can be taken against Russia

Unless Russia agrees to it, that is the power of a seat on the Security Council.

[Dopers_Greed]

36. They won't do it because the west is afraid of Pootin.

[TomSlick]

38. It is a complicated matter but the UN is a broken institution

so long as Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council.

Permanent member status of the Security Council was granted to the USSR. Russia is not the USSR. If the General Assembly removes Russia as a permanent member of the Security Council, Russia will withdraw from the UN. However, so long as Russian holds a veto in the Security Council, it is a worthless body.

The General Assembly needs to decide if the Security Council is worth the space it occupies. If it is, Russia must be removed as a permanent member. If a nation that is engaging in war crimes, crimes against peace, and violations of the UN Charter cannot be called to account by the UN, they might as well shutter the place.