Biden warns world would face 'Armageddon' if Putin uses a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine

[speak easy]

Source: The Guardian

Joe Biden has warned the world could face “Armageddon” if Vladimir Putin uses a tactical nuclear weapon to try to win the war in Ukraine.

The US president made his most outspoken remarks to date about the threat of nuclear war, at a Democratic fundraiser in New York, saying it was the closest the world had come to nuclear catastrophe for sixty years.

“We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban missile crisis,” he said.

“We’ve got a guy I know fairly well,” Biden said, referring to the Russian president. “He’s not joking when he talks about potential use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons because his military is, you might say, significantly underperforming.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/07/biden-warns-world-would-face-armageddon-if-putin-uses-a-tactical-nuclear-weapon-in-ukraine

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Yes. I think we should have a national debate about tactical nuclear weapons now, not after one has been used.

[DENVERPOPS]

1. You have to bet

That U.S. Military commanders have been having a serious conversation about this for the past months.......

[speak easy]

2. You know it.

[DENVERPOPS]

4. Another thing

I have to believe that the reason he is pulling his soldiers back AND letting the Ukraine soldiers in is that he is setting the area up for some kind of Major offense like tactical nuke strikes or Chemical Weapon strikes in that entire area................He would clear his soldiers from being wiped out, and has suckered the Ukraine soldiers into the area.

In reality, who knows what Putin is thinking, given his age and poor health............

[speak easy]

6. 'who knows what Putin is thinking'?

Those long tables during the pandemic suggest to me that he afraid of death.

[EndlessWire]

8. I respect your opinion

but, he isn't pulling his soldiers back. They are falling back out of desperation. They don't want to get encircled. They are also surrendering in record numbers. They are, by all accounts, poorly motivated, poorly equipped, poorly trained. They are better off giving up in order to live.

I can't see how Russia gains anything by making the coastline uninhabitable. But, he may choose another area to "test" his weapon. It would be a big mistake on his part. The winds may blow back on him. The key to a NATO response is, apparently, which way the wind blows.

[Irish_Dem]

17. Putin gains by having the world terrified of him and giving him what he wants.

He wants control over the countries which border Russia.

And he wants western democracies weakened and terrified of him to the point they comply.

Putin doesn't care if he has to destroy Ukraine to achieve these goals.

[2naSalit]

31. +1

[purr-rat beauty]

32. He will destroy Russia as well

All Western nations will turn every person, business, etc into a pariah. Anyone doing business with Russia will face sanctions for certain, will be kicked out of the UN.

[Irish_Dem]

34. He will keep terrorizing Europe until the sanctions are lifted.

He figures he can make enough on oil exports to make up for losses.

[Delphinus]

41. Agreed.

And he engenders in me the desire to wring his neck with my own two hands. I must not let that hatred take over my heart.

[Irish_Dem]

35. I agree, Putin is not pulling back his troops.

[Justice matters.]

9. I'm sure putler wants to keep Moscow intact...

Would be a shame if something bad like a cruise missile in the middle of Red Square happened to it.



Yeah, I think that's the reason why the war-criminal asshole didn't use these tacticals so far.

[Irish_Dem]

18. I don't think he cares what happens to Moscow as long as he is still alive.

[PortTack]

12. Putin isn't pulling soldiers back, in fact he has given the order that they cannot under any

Circumstance retreat.

As far as Ukrainian soldiers being suckered into anything, they have all the intelligence they need and aren’t being fooled. US intelligence will know via satellite and on the ground intelligence when or if things are in place that the russians will make nuclear strike. If anything putin wants the Ukrainians fearful and paralyzed. They know he’s a mad man, but they playing his game, they’ve got a war to fight.

[bluestarone]

25. Thinking the same thing here

A pooty nuclear TRAP! He will kill a bunch! Hope Zelensky Sees this as a possibility!

[BadGimp]

38. Now that's straight up evil!

and has a reasonable probability of being accurate...

[Rebl2]

3. Likely since last year

[DENVERPOPS]

5. Probably

A debate/conversation that I would not want to be involved in, for sure.............

[speak easy]

7. A debate/conversation that Joe Biden, of all recent presidents,

is best equipped to conduct.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

16. Fucking nuclear weapons must be banned...any more questions on that?

I want to hear that from an American President.

[sarisataka]

21. Who enforces the ban?

...and how?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

22. Glad u asked! 👍 Open to negotiation and imagination and thought.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/banning-nuclear-weapons

[sarisataka]

23. So basically

Mental masturbation

[Alexander Of Assyria]

30. Is there a better kind?

[DENVERPOPS]

26. The world banned chemical weapons

a generation or three ago, and yet we still have tens of thousands of them that have been manufactured by the U.S. and everyone else.

Putin and Assad felt free to use them a few years back on the Syrian Rebels.........

[Alexander Of Assyria]

28. Russia and Syria and America didn't sign on, and 2 violate nuclear control treaties by refusing

to negotiate in good faith, or any faith, as required by those treaties.

[Xolodno]

39. Lets just hope they are not like JFK's Generals...

...who were willing to Nuke it out.

JFK committed "quiet appeasement", gave the Soviet Union a reason to back down...and then quietly removed the nukes in Turkey and Italy.

[Aussie105]

10. "Mutually assured destruction" is the reason

why no one will use nuclear weapons in any part of Europe.

If Putin goes for the Big Red Button, hopefully someone with some intelligence and courage will stop him.

We were wishing for something similar in the US with TFG a few years back, if I remember.

[LiberalLovinLug]

11. Wrong approach IMO

Proclaiming End of World doomsday scaremongering only serves Putin. We all know it would be a disaster.

What we need is specifics. Consequences concisely laid out for the shirtless barbarian.

That IF he dares drop even one nuclear bomb or missile:

NATO would immediately jump into action.
His naval fleet caught in the Black Sea would be wiped out.
Jet fighters from multiple countries would swoop in and enforce a no fly zone, and destroy all the rest of the military bases, tanks, planes that Russia is using. The Russian troops will have a deadline with which to leave Ukraine's territories, or be under fire from both Ukraine and NATO forces.

And then increased sanctions, and squeezing Russia until there is a regime change in Russia and Putin resigns.

And all of this should be read aloud at the UN or NATO headquarters so that Putin, and the whole world hears it loud and clear, so no one can complain about what happens next.

[PortTack]

13. Very good summation...he's stuck and knows it. He knows President Biden and NATO don't bluff!

He no doubt doesn’t like it, and is paying attention.

Another issue that is not being discussed is Putin won’t negotiate with Ukraine, but rather sees Ukraine as the “hostage.” A hostage cannot give him what he wants, and what he wants is a “seat” back at the table with the US. He’s always maintained that he wants Russia to be on an equal footing with the US. Being the kgb bully he is he thinks this is the way to go about it. He’s counting on the resolve of the EU and all of NATO, other countries, Japan, Australia, NewZeland and others to weaken over the coming months giving him the negotiating edge he wants. The EU especially cannot give in ..they know they will be next.

Many military experts and ppl that say they know what’s going on inside russia think that he will not be able to convince his military to go along with that decision.

Pray to the gods cooler heads will prevail

[honest.abe]

19. Biden is not going to give specifics in a Democratic fund-raiser event.

The specifics have already been provided to Putin directly.

The Biden administration has been privately warning Russia against using nuclear weapons in Ukraine for months

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-privately-warned-russia-against-using-nuclear-weapons-report-2022-9

Also, there have been warnings made by national security adviser, Jake Sullivan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/politics/us-russia-nuclear.html

I think the purpose of Biden's comments at the fundraiser was more about getting Putin to consider negotiating and finding his "off ramp". Seems it was more a personal message to Putin to lets figure this out so we dont get to Armageddon.

[LiberalLovinLug]

36. How are those months of "private warnings" working out?

"so we don't get to Amageddon"

That is what Putin wants to hear. Even that the West is using that word must make him smile.

And that we are only whispering to him privately not to use nuclear weapons or else? Not gonna work.

I'm also thinking of how Putin will spin it AFTER he uses a nuke. He will go on State TV and state that the US and the West better NOT retaliate. And any action by the West will be twisted and used by Putin to declare that the west is unilaterally declaring war on Russia with no warning or basis to do so.

No, we have to make it very clear, publicly to the whole world, not "private warnings". So they and the whole world know that Russia has heard it, and has no excuses or reasons to whine afterwards when the consequences come.

[JohnnyRingo]

14. The whole world would focus on occupying and removal

And Putin and Un know it. They have to know it would be the war crime of the century.

[newdayneeded]

15. If this would have been 3 years ago,

donny would've been at the podium wearing a putin cheerleader outfit complete with pom-poms.

Give me a "P", give me a "U,......

[myohmy2]

20. we knew...

...this day was coming ever since trump wrapped his arms around putin...

...trump partnered and accepted help from putin to defeat Hillary then gave putin space and comfort...

...instead of wrapping his arms around putin trump should had been isolating and condemning him...

...but both are fascists and we now know why trump didn't believe our intelligent agencies...

...there's only one solution, putin must go and soon...

...it doesn't matter how but if the world wants to remain intact it had better figure out a way to eliminate him...

"He’s not joking when he talks about potential use of tactical nuclear weapons..."

...we shouldn't be joking about eliminating putin from the world stage...

...billions may parish because of this one man?

...unacceptable...

[sarisataka]

24. The first tac nuke is the small snowball

That starts rolling down the mountain...

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. Credible threats, made by both Putin and the U.S. and N.A.T.O. allies, play a very real role

Practically, they represent the last bulwark of deterrence. Each side is forced to consider the likelihood that their aggressive pursuit of military objectives might trigger off consequences they would rather not face. The more dire the threats, the more dire the potential consequences.

In the realm of threats, the U.S. can not "unilaterally disarm." For us to concede in advance that we would act with restraint should Russia introduce the use of tactical nuclear weapons into its war on Ukraine increases the likelihood that Russia will introduce the use of tactical nuclear weapons into its war on Ukraine.

I count on the Biden Administration to make sober calculations in private about what type of military response should be initiated if Russia uses tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. I also count on the Biden Administration to not give Russia reason in advance to believe that their use of tactical nuclear weapons would be a positive game changer for their side.

I thank God that Joe Biden is our President.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

29. All this talk of American military intervention half a world away and nukes is making many

in many militaries hard!

The Citizens in their Homelands must be in terror atm.

[2naSalit]

33. I think that a redistribution of...

Population might be in order. Like maybe China and India should take over Russia and relieve some of the overpopulation stresses that will continue to do damage to the biosphere. Those populations have better technology and creative ingenuity than the Russians, they have been so controlled for so long that all they can do it get blasted so they can endure their fate. Maybe they need a shot in the butt... of culture and technology that will help them live better and survive longer.

A global commission could direct the transition, it could be a good thing, we might be able to get rid of all the nukes...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/




(waiting for Eyore)

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

40. Trump and Pompeo say Biden is too mean

I say we don't negotiate with terrorists.