Self-described 'incel' admits plot to massacre women at college
Source: Raw Story
A 22-year-old self-described "incel" is facing years in prison after he admitted to a plot to massacre women at an Ohio college.
Local news station Fox 19 reports that Tres Genco of Hillsboro, Ohio confessed to planning to carry out a mass shooting at the college in what U.S. Attorney Kenneth L. Parker said this week was an attack on women on behalf of men who believe they're being "unjustly" denied sex.
Prosecutors say that Genco began posting on incel forums in 2019, and he began surveilling the college in early 2020 to plot an attack.
Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/incel-hate-crime-2658439118/
Once again. SWM. And the internet. Ugh.
At least they stopped him before hand...
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Mz Pip
(28,493 posts)Oh, sweetie, no one owes you sex. That’s not how it works. The sooner you learn that the better.
Enjoy prison. You may be getting plenty of what you think you’ve been unjustly denied.
brush
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And who are these inadequacies who admit to being an incel?
Pathetic. Prostitution does exist. It's even legal in Nevada.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)plenty of sex workers, escorts, sex swing clubs, hookers galore that advertise on just about every social platform under the sun. The more he tells himself that women don't like him, the more he makes it a reality that women don't like him. I guess it never occurred to him to just be a good person with a kind heart and a sense of humor.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)They see other guys getting it for free, so think they deserve that, too.
They forget the costs that the guys getting laid have paid for things like good hygiene, good grooming, suitable clothing, paying for their own housing, spending the money to do some basic housework and cooking, having a working vehicle, buying books and concert tickets (even without a date to go along!), having interests outside work, and so on.
Like it or not, those are all costs that aid in mating game success.
With the incels, I see a bunch of dudes who look dirty, smell worse, and have terrible social skills. None of that gets a guy laid.
The incels also need to accept that they're not entitled to the 10s. If they're sixes, then they need to stop living in the Hollywood fantasy and find a six woman. Tens of either sex usually don't go out with sixes, unless the six has some overwhelming factor in his favor to compensate for it such as having lots of money, lots of smarts, a great sense of humor, a super caring personality (real not fake), or a great/interesting job or hobby.
If the incel doesn't have those things to offer, then no 10 will give him the time of day, and why should she, when far better is available than a disheveled putz with a lousy job, living in mom's basement?
Jedi Guy
(3,489 posts)I would add that incels also have this weird idea that if they orbit a woman they like and do nice things for her, she somehow owes them sex in exchange for said nice things. It's a very bizarre concept of pseudo-prostitution that they cling to and they get really butt-hurt when women don't say, "Well yeah, I suppose you did a few nice things for me. I guess I can put out, it's only fair." Then the rage-spiral begins.
In my experience, a good personality and a great sense of humor both go a long way in the romance game, though I've been out of said game for 14 years now. If you can make a woman laugh, that counts for a lot. My sense of humor is what first attracted my wife to me. The fact that I'm not a complete trog also helped, I'm sure.
Aristus
(72,375 posts)The importance of men spending money and effort on themselves, instead of women. Sex and relationships aren't transactional. That's exactly right. I'm nobody's idea of Brad Pitt, and I was really unpopular with women when I was in my late teens. I was naive enough to assume that women should just accept me the way I was. I was lucky enough to realize instead that I had a responsibility to become the kind of man women find acceptable.
I began to have a number of rewarding relationships, and ended up marrying the most beautiful woman in the world.
I still shudder at how close I came to being one of those miserable incels...
Ferrets are Cool
(23,016 posts)I would be surprised if he has ever had a job. 
Captain Zero
(8,941 posts)and gun stores.
And I'm guessing we have to pay for his lawyer too.
obamanut2012
(29,456 posts)"Enjoy prison."
Jesus. Can we please not condone/encourage/be okay with rape on here? Prison rape is rape, it is not sex. And, why is it okay for prisoners to be correctively raped? Why is it funny, or justice, or whatever? Why?
Even bad men do not deserve to be raped.
Come on.
ShazzieB
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I hate these kinds of "jokes." They don't belong here, imnsho. We should be better than this.
I feel the same way about Gitmo jokes, like the ones about sending Trump and/or his associates there. Gutmo is an abomination and a stain on our country's history. It never should have existed in the first place, and I, personally, am ashamed as an American that it still does.
The fact that prison rape is allowed to exist in this country is also an abomination, afaic, and the fact that it does is not a laughing matter.
obamanut2012
(29,456 posts)The post should be removed
duhneece
(4,518 posts)No one ‘deserves’ to be raped.
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,489 posts)I've never been to jail or prison, thankfully, but I've spoken to people who have. None of them endured sexual violence while behind bars but their stories were invariably grim and unsettling nonetheless.
Unfortunately, our prison system is entirely centered around punishment and vengeance rather than rehabilitation and redemption. We treat inmates like animals and then bizarrely wonder why they behave like animals. When people come out of prison, they're ostracized and barred from decent jobs despite supposedly having paid their "debt to society." Far too few employers will give an ex-con a chance one they're out of prison, so they're left with little choice but to go back to crime to support themselves.
On top of that, it's entertainment for the masses with networks like A&E airing shows like "60 Days In." I was flabbergasted and disgusted when I learned that show exists. The gist is that they send innocent people into prison undercover as inmates (and pay them for going in, of course).
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)Careful on your last point there. People have alerted comments like that.
Though, I had the same thought initially.
Mz Pip
(28,493 posts)Just pointing out the reality of what this guy might face.
Interesting that people are taking offense to that. This guy was planning mass murder. The outrage should be directed at that, IMHO.
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)and I know you weren't condoning prison rape. It is likely to be his reality though, as you mentioned.
IronLionZion
(51,467 posts)that's how they caught him. Entitled POS didn't want to put that time into improving himself.
MontanaMama
(24,736 posts)"Unjustly denied sex"? and there are incel forums?
I need to go take a walk. 
certainot
(9,090 posts)pandemic social distancing explains a spike in sex on the wrong brain-caused fascism and violence
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)They're incels because most of them have questionable ideas about hygiene, and worse social skills.
I've known working-class guys who did just fine with women, because they did all the right things: Understood the basics of grooming, wore the best clothes they could afford, had interesting hobbies/interests, knew how to have a decent conversation with a woman without making her eyes glaze over, or insult her intelligence or her person. Oh--and they didn't set themselves up for failure by pursuing the stereotypical Dream Girl. Instead, they went for interesting women who were part of their reality. Sure, they might have drooled over Farrah Fawcett-Majors back in the day, but they knew she would be real to them about as much as owning the moon would be. Farrah wasn't going to happen for them.
But that cute redhead at the post office, or the awesome blonde who owns the arts and crafts shop--those women were definitely obtainable. So the successful guys would chat them up and eventually ask for a date. Sometimes they succeeded. Sometimes they didn't. But it never hurt to try.
That's why those guys succeed, and the incels don't. The successful guys accept their reality, and are smart enough to know that they can live in that reality, without compromising anything.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the spike in fascism, extremism, gun violence, etc and how that relates to sex on the wrong brain.
those incels are generally idiots and thanks to societal sex on the wrong brain think being certain- their certitude, toxic masculinity, machismo, and extremist absolutism should mean they they are irresistible to women, who, largely because of sowb (increased for incels and social distancing), they see as objects and sources of uncertainty, anxiety, and fear that need to be controlled.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)how they beat off.
Really.
The bad wiring started separate from it, and developed separately from it, too.
Social and cultural imprinting are the cause. Most of them grow up in dysfunctional, authoritarian homes with rampant sexism and bigotry part of everyday conversation and interactions. Their social interactions with men are overall as dysfunctional as those with women. Other men don't like them anymore than women do.
They're simply unpleasant people to be around. It happens, and for reasons that have nothing to do with which hand does the masturbating.
certainot
(9,090 posts)there are many people who move on from these kinds of environments.
grow up in dysfunctional, authoritarian homes with rampant sexism and bigotry
we have normalized an intense irrational need for certainty and have been selecting for it for centuries so we end up with genetic combinations that make some, like trump, more susceptible. the Uncertainty Avoidance Index is used to measure authoritarianism. i think the psychs will find a severe sexual need for certainty/closure will drive some people to find it in death and destruction and guns
Withywindle
(9,989 posts)And it fills them with rage to think that these creatures they see as lesser beings should have to the power to deny them what they want.
They are repulsive to women because women can tell when somebody loathes us and sees us as subservient sex dispensers. Incel behavior sets off all the alarm bells, raises all the red flags, and of course women rightfully don't want to be anywhere near them.
certainot
(9,090 posts)problem
i think a lot of the greed, hate, extremism, misogyny often called 'human nature' is not 'human nature'. for 99.9% of our evolution we lived in small groups having to cooperate for survival, immersed in natural uncertainty. then we started crowding the planet and selecting for misogynist asshole qualities to create armies and empires and royal families.
in 1933 after studying with freud, wilhelm reich analyzed a bunch of kids in austria to understand nazi youth/fascism and believed masturbation combined with guilt, punishment, and religion was a big part of it. he also wrote that kids didn't start to believe in god until they began masturbating.
in explaining the taliban's misogyny it so happens the koran demands ""man can only have sex with his wife and that which the right hand possesses".
there needs to be research to find out if sowb plays a part. if so, trump, putin, the iranian leadership, the taliban, and boko haram, could be recognized as being particularly susceptible to sowb
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Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)These guys need a lot of help in the social skills department.
When I was a practicing therapist I actually liked working with some of these guys.
It was astounding how clueless they were about women.
I spent of lot of time saying things like "women don't like male strangers trying to kiss them and
putting their hands on them." Or "women at work don't like it when you get really angry because
they refuse to have sex with you." Or "you simply cannot ask women their bra size and waist measurements when
you don't know them."
leftyladyfrommo
(20,019 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)Some of them highly intelligent, but just no common sense, boundaries or social skills.
Others were the living in mom's basement kind of guy with barely a high school education.
Often referred by their employers, judges or parole/probation officers.
It was my job to sit down with them, often for months in weekly sessions, to painstakingly
lay out the rules of the road when it comes to interacting with females.
Some were motivated, because one more offense meant being fired, losing their license, or going to jail.
Others came in because they really wanted a girlfriend but had no idea how to go about it.
Because when they did approach a female, it ended up with talk of calling the police. 
Not the ideal way to start a romance.
It was sometimes funny when the guys would report that between sessions they were going to say or do something
with a female, but realized that if I found out about it there would be hell to pay. So they just minded their manners.
ShazzieB
(22,760 posts)It would be very encouraging to know that at least some of them are reachable.
From what I've read, a lot of incels seem to believe awful things about women, including but not limited to the notion that if they make sexual advances to a woman, she is somehow obligated to acquiesce and is a [misogynistic slur] if she doesn't. They don't usually seem to be open to being persuaded otherwise. If you've been able to do so, my hat is off to you!
Your experiences counseling these guys sound fascinating. If you ever decide to write a book about it, I'll definitely get in line to buy a copy.
Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)Not one of these kind of men that I worked with ended up losing their job or going to court/ jail once they were working with me.
I was really clear in the beginning I would do everything I could to help them stay out of trouble,
teach them social skills and how to get along with women.
But they were going to have to do some hard work and follow the rules
about their behavior. Or they could find another therapist and face consequences.
Oh I would never write a book about them.
But I did seriously consider writing a book about basic social skills for males.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,019 posts)horror stories. It's unbelievable. And not just the guys. They are so rude and obnoxious and unkempt it is just unbelievable.
You should write a book.
Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)Society has become rude, obnoxious and quite violent.
Ferrets are Cool
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Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)It really interferes with adult functioning and gets them into trouble.
I also noticed that men who did not grow up with sisters seemed more prone
to lacking social skills with women at work or socially.
moreland01
(872 posts)Are there women like that too? Women that just have no clue at all when it comes to men
and need counseling or therapy to learn social cues, etc.? How is it different for "incel" women?
I'm fascinated.
Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)Women who want sexual relationships can usually find them without a lot of problem.
Women are also much better in the social skill department, this is Darwinian I believe.
Women for most of the history of our planet had no rights or money. They were basically
the property of males. So for their survival and survival of their children, they had to be very socially
aware, aware of their environment, and how to read men who were the patriarchal power structure.
If anything women tend to tell men what they want to hear, whether it is the truth or not.
Women may have poor judgement about men, get into problematic, abusive relationships.
So women tend to get into therapy because they are in bad relationships and need help making
it better or leaving.
Some women are having trouble finding a suitable male partner, and need help in terms of identifying
a good partner, where to find such a man, etc.
XorXor
(690 posts)I have less than awesome social skills, but those are not things that would ever cross my mind as being acceptable. There is some weird entitlement in these people's views. I grew up in a conservative family, so I don't think it's as simple as blaming that either. One thing I didn't do is grow up on the internet. Well, I did, but not the internet we have today.
There was weird stuff on it, no doubt, but we recognized it as weird. Even if we played along with whatever, it was still just trolling or being "edgy". It wasn't a real part of our identity. For example, there is an old forum about the Flat Earth that is still around. I can find old posts of mine in which I was arguing in favor of the Flat Earth. I didn't believe it and neither did the majority of others. Now there are large numbers of people who truly believe that. More related to this incel stuff, I recall trolling posts in which people would point out "flaws" on photos of cute girls, but it was so ridiculous that it was clearly mocking the real incel types who thought like that. I think something happened in which people who only grew up on the internet and didn't have a healthy mix of real life came to dominate the seedy parts of the internet, and they don't seem to get the "joke" part of it.
I dunno, though. I'm just talking out of my ass like usual. Although these thoughts have changed how I view the "dude, it's just harmless trolling/joking" arguments. I'm not so sure it is. At least not any longer
Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)There are other factors in play, which can vary from individual to individual.
I think there is probably some sort of organic (neurological) component.
Maybe on the Asperger's spectrum in some cases.
And yes entitlement, privilege issues may exist as well.
Deep seated anger at women may also exist.
There may be mood disorders or even psychosis.
So there has to be a careful evaluation to determine what is going on.
There has been talk in the psych community about the connection between time spent
online and lack of social skills in adolescents. So your point is well taken.
It is well known that some abusers say and do awful things, then pretend it was all "just a joke."
With society becoming more violent, yes these things are not funny anymore.
Yes if these guys are online reinforcing and giving voice to their grievances about women,
it is not a good situation and not harmless any more as you say.
Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)twodogsbarking
(19,109 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)twodogsbarking
(19,109 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)If it happened today it would not be that shocking.
We are used to mass murder here in the US.
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catrose
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wnylib
(26,300 posts)(Second, in Spanish.)
Bucky
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iscooterliberally
(3,159 posts)ShazzieB
(22,760 posts)Informative AND funny as hell!
iscooterliberally
(3,159 posts)It's a shame he quit doing it, but I imagine it's really hard to keep something like that going. Glad you enjoyed it! 
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I mean, not only are our standards generally lower, but many of us are also surprisingly fun.
Farmer-Rick
(12,749 posts)If you kill them, you can't have sex with them. There are laws against having sex with corpses. Aside from the hundreds of laws against murder.
This is why GOPers want to take away women's bodily autonomy. If they are objects, you don't have to get their consent. Like when forcing them to birth fetuses.
There is no logic to such ignorant stupidity. Does everyone just believe any stupid thing written on the internet anymore. Even crazy people have some amount of internal logic to their delusional fantasies.
Irish_Dem
(81,971 posts)But yes it is not a constructive problem solving technique to get what they want.
Warpy
(114,650 posts)because those would be perfect for these assholes who refused to read the memo that said no woman owes them a single thing once they're off the tit.
I have no sympathy for these whiny little shits, especially the ones who really, really hate women. No wonder they'll never get laid.
Grokenstein
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Skittles
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tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)There has to be a solution to this condition/problem. But it is beyond my level of thought.
Celerity
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SleeplessinSoCal
(10,429 posts)I guess I was an incel and didn't know it for some time. I wasn't out looking for sex. I had crushes. But I find the imaginary crush often better than reality. In my college years in the 70s I certainly knew nerds who were needy. But turning to violence must only come from our out of control 2nd amendment promoters and an internet gone wild. Just like the abusers of the 1st amendment, abuse of the 2nd has nearly destroyed us.
Meanwhile, trying to figure a way to deal with this matter:
https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780367824396/understanding-treating-incels-brian-van-brunt-chris-taylor
moreland01
(872 posts)I have a male friend who I would call a 2 out of 10 in the looks department. Just not my cup of tea; nor anyone else's that I know.
He is extremely nice, interesting, intelligent, creative and caring. Like, perfect for a vision impaired woman.
But he insists on pursuing women who won't give him the time of day. He goes to strip clubs and sends dozens of roses to the strippers hoping to lure them away from that life. He gives it his all and fervently tries to attract women who are models, with no luck at all. He isn't scary, or stalky, or violent. Just always hopeful and trying. I feel so sorry for him.
He's definitely not voluntarily celibate I keep my fingers and toes crossed that he'll find a match one day. At least he's not angry about it or thinking that women owe him anything.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)Morons.
elleng
(141,926 posts) Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Who for whatever reason were either raised without love, or didn't recognize the love they were raised with.
Throw the baby out with the bath water and start over those men are useless, To the future of our society seriously I'm not trying to be harsh but.
It's just truth, their worthless.
Don't take my word for it, have a conversation with one of them, they have absolutely no direction in life whatsoever except misery
Moostache
(11,241 posts)We do live in a society where advertising and driving consumer behavior is oppressively omnipresent. By some estimates, people see or experience or are exposed to between 4,000 and 6,000 advertising messages, images or suggestions EVERY DAY.
Total digital ad spending is expected to reach nearly $585 billion in 2023.
Half a trillion dollars a year.
And that is only digital ads.
That ignores the entire fashion industry, and all other forms of advertising.
Our entire sick society is based around the untenable concept of infinite growth in a finite system...whether that means profits, products - or even sexual conquests/partners - as means to define self-worth. Everything is a scoreboard and everyone is constantly comparing themselves against unrealistic standards and unattainable metrics - even for well-adjusted people, advertising and media make the best of us feel like shit frequently. Its a message that is wildly inappropriate to human growth and empathy formation and is in the faces of those who can and cannot make the appropriate distinctions alike - for those who are also struggling with additional issues, its toxic in a horrible way.
What is the least common denominator for ads? SEX. Scantily clad lads and lasses frolicking around in bars, suggestive scenes or beaches. Viagra. Cialis. Peyronne's disease treatments for a bent "carrot". Alcohol and beer commercials. Billboards, magazines, super models, athletes as role models/heroes/'studs'. Calvin Klein underwear models with 0% body fat and toned, greased muscles that remind everyone else in the world they do NOT look like that.
Its made far, far worse by internet "influencers" and "lifestyle vlogs/websites" that either post real or faked images of fabulous lives lived in high comfort and style with nary a normal body in sight.
No one bats an eye at the impact of this kind of immersion on the psyche and brains of those who get the most of it and suffer the most comparatively to the fictional "ideal". Young girls are subject to this as well and body dysmorphia, anorexia, bulimia, mean girls type hate crimes and more also occur. Society sells sex for everything imaginable and frankly a lot of things I simply do not WANT to imagine.
These disturbed young men need interventions, reset expectations and an understanding of reality versus this over-bearing, all-encompassing advertising playground we inhabit online, on the streets and on buses, trains or cars. If they are taking that advertising world and internalizing it to a felling of entitlement (as certainly appears to be the case) then we should be willing to ask ourselves the key question - is this life we have created and the corresponding economy, feedback loops and hidden costs worth it, or should we allow it to go unstudied, un checked and unregulated forever, damn the consequences and hidden costs? Unregulated, unmonitored feedback loops of anonymous hostility and reinforcement for feelings of rage and inadequacies have consequences just as surely as the actions of those acting out in his vein deserve.
Given that we will NOT win a battle against advertisers and the economy of consumption in anything approaching a short time, that would leave tighter monitoring and regulation of these online forums, chats and message boards as a possible target to reduce the risks and limit the damage.
Holding individuals accountable is he very least that should be done, but going after the corporate and private profits of people who make their living promoting and exploiting others for profit? They get a pass way too frequently for my tastes. If we want to make fun of the afflicted or feel better about ourselves for not being as tragically compromised in our lives, then we need simply do nothing but watch as the status quo continues to circle the drain and the nation dissolves around us with fewer and fewer guardrails and systems left intact.
To get sappy as I close, and to quote "We Are The World" from 1985:
"There's a choice we're making, we're saving our own lives
Its true we make a better day, just you and me"
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Women are not dependent on y'all anymore. Times change and so should you. But you won't. You rather live in the basement, smell like BO and chat online with other like minded losers about how women and even young girls should be groomed to love you. Guys being pedophiles, rapists, and murders are not gonna get you a woman. Maybe stop being simple minded pieces of shit and grow the fuck up.
Glad they caught this fucking loser before he carried out his threat and became another incel hero to the freaks.
Initech
(109,010 posts)At least they caught this guy before he could do something terrible.
Aussie105
(8,089 posts)Realized women weren't an answer to anything. Not to feeling insecure, needing love, needing nurturing.
Those are things you need to resolve for yourself.
Turns out women aren't sex objects for any guy's gratification.
They are people with their own feelings, needs and wants.
Kind of started when I realized women dress well not to attract male attention, but to feel good about themselves.
A well dressed woman isn't an invitation, and any woman who talks to you and smiles isn't an invitation.
Females in general don't own the guys anything. Not time, not attention, not money, not sex.
I like girls. I like talking to them, any random one be it in the street, or at a supermarket checkout.
They are interesting people, full stop.
I understand the suspicion they feel if you show too much interest, that's the moment to back off.
Must be hard being female . . .
But if you feel you are being unjustly denied what you think is your birthright because you are male, you have a serious problem, and need help, lots of it. Especially if you are plotting violent "revenge".
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,429 posts)These were back in the 50s and 60s mainly. There would be oddball bad guys who were very sadistic. One could call that toxic masculinity. And incels are making themselves toxic by choice. Weirdly sad.
Just a thought.
niyad
(133,414 posts)massacre at the Ecole Polytechnique du Montreal ( Dec. 6, 1989) where anti-feminist, woman-hater lepine murdered 14 women, wounded 10 more, plus 4 men..