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BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:20 PM Oct 2022

Alex Jones ordered to pay $965 million for Sandy Hook lies

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Source: AP

WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) — Jurors ordered conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on Wednesday to pay nearly $1 billion to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims’ relatives and an FBI agent, who said he turned their loss and trauma into years of torment by promoting the lie that the rampage was a hoax. The $965 million verdict is the second big judgment against the Infowars host for spreading the myth that the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history never happened, and that the grieving families seen in news coverage were actors hired as part of a plot to take away people’s guns.

The verdict came in a defamation lawsuit filed by some of the families of 26 people who were killed in the 2012 shooting, plus an FBI agent who was among the first responders. A Texas jury in August awarded nearly $50 million to the parents of another slain child. Robbie Parker, who lost his 6-year-old daughter, Emilie, said outside the Connecticut court that he was proud that “what we were able to accomplish was just to simply tell the truth.”

“And it shouldn’t be this hard, and it shouldn’t be this scary,” said Parker, who became an early target of conspiracy theorists after he spoke at a news conference the day after the shooting. The jury awarded him the most of any plaintiff: $120 million. Jones wasn’t at court but reacted on his Infowars show. As courtroom video showed the jury awards being read out, Jones said that he himself had never mentioned the plaintiffs’ names. “All made up. Hilarious,” he said. “So this is what a show trial looks like. I mean, this is the left completely out of control.”

Jones’ lawyer, Norm Pattis, portrayed the trial as unfair and pledged to appeal. “Today is a very, very, very dark day for freedom of speech,” he said outside court. The jury awarded various sums to the victims’ relatives, who testified that they were threatened and harassed for years by people who believed the lies told on Jones’ show. Strangers showed up at the families’ homes to record them. People hurled abusive comments on social media.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/shootings-school-connecticut-conspiracy-alex-jones-3f579380515fdd6eb59f5bf0e3e1c08f



Will continue to update.

Last updates -

WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) -- Jurors ordered conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on Wednesday to pay nearly $1 billion to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims' relatives and an FBI agent, who said he turned their loss and trauma into years of torment by promoting the lie that the rampage was a hoax. The $965 million verdict is the second big judgment against the Infowars host for spreading the myth that the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history never happened, and that the grieving families seen in news coverage were actors hired as part of a plot to take away people's guns.

The verdict came in a defamation lawsuit filed by some of the 26 people who were killed in the 2012 shooting, plus an FBI agent who was among the first responders. A Texas jury in August awarded nearly $50 million to the parents of another slain child. Robbie Parker, who lost his 6-year-old daughter, Emilie, said outside the Connecticut court that he was proud that "what we were able to accomplish was just to simply tell the truth."

"And it shouldn't be this hard, and it shouldn't be this scary," said Parker, who became an early target of conspiracy theorists after he spoke at a news conference the day after the shooting. The jury awarded him the most of any plaintiff: $120 million. Jones wasn't at court but reacted on his Infowars show. As courtroom video showed the plaintiffs' names being read out along with the jury awards to each, Jones said that he himself had never mentioned their names.

"All made up. Hilarious," he said. "So this is what a show trial looks like. I mean, this is the left completely out of control." Jones' lawyer, Norm Pattis, said the verdict was higher than he expected. He plans to appeal. The jury awarded various sums to the victims' relatives, who testified that they were threatened and harassed for years by people who believed the lies told on Jones' show. Strangers showed up at their homes to record them. People hurled abusive comments on social media.


WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) -- The conspiracy theorist Alex Jones should pay $965 million to people who suffered from his false claim that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a hoax, a jury in Connecticut decided Wednesday. The verdict is the second big judgment against the Infowars host over his relentless promotion of the lie that the 2012 massacre never happened, and that the grieving families seen in news coverage were actors hired as part of a plot to take away people's guns.

It came in a lawsuit filed by the relatives of five children and three educators killed in the mass shooting, plus an FBI agent who was among the first responders to the scene. A Texas jury in August awarded nearly $50 million to the parents of another slain child. Robbie Parker, who lost his 6-year-old daughter, Emilie, said outside the Connecticut court that he was proud that "what we were able to accomplish was just to simply tell the truth."

"And it shouldn't be this hard, and it shouldn't be this scary," he added, his voice breaking. Jones wasn't at court but reacted on his Infowars show. As courtroom video showed the plaintiffs' names being read out along with the jury awards to each, Jones said that he himself had never mentioned their names. "All made up. Hilarious," he said. "So this is what a show trial looks like. I mean, this is the left completely out of control." Jones' lawyer, Norm Pattis, said the verdict was higher than he expected. He plans to appeal.

The trial featured tearful testimony from parents and siblings of the victims, who told about how they were threatened and harassed for years by people who believed the lies told on Jones' show. Strangers showed up at their homes to record them. People hurled abusive comments on social media. Mark Barden said conspiracy theorists had urinated on the grave of his 7-year-old son, Daniel, and threatened to dig up the coffin. Erica Lafferty, the daughter of slain Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung, testified that people mailed rape threats to her house.


WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) -- The conspiracy theorist Alex Jones should pay $965 million to people who suffered from his false claim that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a hoax, a jury in Connecticut decided Wednesday. The verdict is the second big judgment against the Infowars host over his relentless promotion of the lie that the 2012 massacre never happened, and that the grieving families seen in news coverage were actors hired as part of a plot to take away people's guns.

It came in a lawsuit filed by the relatives of five children and three educators killed in the mass shooting, plus an FBI agent who was among the first responders to the scene. A Texas jury in August awarded nearly $50 million to the parents of another slain child. Robbie Parker, who lost his 6-year-old daughter, Emilie, said outside the Connecticut court that he was proud that "we were able to accomplish this, just to simply tell the truth.

"And it shouldn't be this hard," he added, his voice breaking.Jones wasn't at court but reacted on his Infowars show. "Hey, folks, don't go buying big homes," he said. The trial featured tearful testimony from parents and siblings of the victims, who told about how they were threatened and harassed for years by people who believed the lies told on Jones' show.

Strangers showed up at their homes to record them. People hurled abusive comments on social media. Erica Lafferty, the daughter of slain Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung, testified that people mailed rape threats to her house. Mark Barden told of how conspiracy theorists had urinated on the grave of his 7-year-old son, Daniel, and threatened to dig up the coffin. Testifying during the trial, Jones acknowledged he had been wrong about Sandy Hook. The shooting was real, he said. But both in the courtroom and on his show, he was defiant.


Previous update -

WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) -- The conspiracy theorist Alex Jones should pay $965 million to people who suffered from his false claim that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a hoax, a jury in Connecticut decided Wednesday.

The verdict is the second big judgment against the Infowars host over his relentless promotion of the lie that the 2012 massacre never happened, and that the grieving families seen in news coverage were actors hired as part of a plot to take away people's guns.

It came in a lawsuit filed by the relatives of five children and three educators killed in the mass shooting, plus an FBI agent who was among the first responders to the scene. A Texas jury in August awarded nearly $50 million to the parents of another slain child. The Connecticut trial featured tearful testimony from parents and siblings of the victims, who told about how they were threatened and harassed for years by people who believed the lies told on Jones' show.

Strangers showed up at their homes to record them. People hurled abusive comments on social media. Erica Lafferty, the daughter of slain Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung, testified that people mailed rape threats to her house. Mark Barden told of how conspiracy theorists had urinated on the grave of his 7-year-old son, Daniel, and threatened to dig up the coffin.


Original article, headline and source -

Jury reaches decision in Sandy Hook trial that will determine how much Alex Jones should pay for lies about the massacre

CNN Business -- A Connecticut jury has reached a decision on how much far-right talk show host Alex Jones should pay eight families of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims and one first responder, capping a wrenching weeks-long trial that put on display for the public the serious harm inflicted by the conspiracy theorist's lies.

The decision marks the culmination of a years-long process that began in 2018 when the families took legal action against Jones and his company, Free Speech Systems, the parent of the fringe media organization Infowars. Jones baselessly said again and again after the 2012 mass shooting, in which 26 people were killed, that the incident was staged, and that the families and first responders were "crisis actors."

The plaintiffs throughout the trial described in poignant terms how the lies had prompted unrelenting harassment against them and compounded the emotional agony of losing their loved ones. Plaintiffs in the trial included family members of eight school students and employees, in addition to one FBI agent who responded to the scene. The three cases were all condensed into the single trial.

Christopher Mattei, an attorney for the plaintiffs, urged jurors to award at least a half a billion dollars for having permanently mangled the lives of his clients. The figure, he said, would represent the more than 550 million online impressions Jones' Sandy Hook lie allegedly received online. "You may say that is astronomical. It is," Mattei said. "It's exactly what Alex Jones set himself up to do. That's what he built. He built a lie machine that could push this stuff out. You reap what you sow."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/12/media/alex-jones-sandy-hook-damages/index.html
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Alex Jones ordered to pay $965 million for Sandy Hook lies (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 OP
I'd love to see a whole lot of zeros tacked on the end. Harker Oct 2022 #1
You're getting your wish. AngryOldDem Oct 2022 #2
Right: it is not enough Dorn Oct 2022 #22
Hundreds of millions live on MSNBC Marthe48 Oct 2022 #3
It is unfathomable the cruelty this man inflicted on these families. AngryOldDem Oct 2022 #6
Honest question, can't he just declare bankruptcy and start all over again? hibbing Oct 2022 #4
NOPE obamanut2012 Oct 2022 #5
good to hear! rurallib Oct 2022 #7
Can't wait to see his performative response Grokenstein Oct 2022 #8
He's joking about it already n/t hibbing Oct 2022 #9
Now wait for the judge to reduce it.... Grins Oct 2022 #10
none of it is punitive damages either moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #11
the judge should order jones to post a bon for any appeal moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #12
In most states, the losing party on a money judgment has to post a bond to stop collection. Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #15
Does he have this kind of money? Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #13
There's always the sale of assets and future earnings. Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #16
Yes but can he make money if he has to follow the law, not harass people, or tell lies. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #17
Well that makes him unemployed doc03 Oct 2022 #18
Yep. He will have to find another line of work. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #20
"Strangers showed up at their homes..." 3catwoman3 Oct 2022 #14
Sociopaths have no empathy. They are con artists who hurt people for profit. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #19
You just described every Senate and House Republican. cstanleytech Oct 2022 #26
Yes, GOP leaders are sociopaths, narcissists and con artists. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #27
There are no words GoldandSilver Oct 2022 #42
This statement from Norm Pattis, Jones' lawyer, is utterly bonkers. Jedi Guy Oct 2022 #21
this is good... but... his show is still allowed to carry on IcyPeas Oct 2022 #23
That's about Traildogbob Oct 2022 #24
Doesn't sound like something DJT would do. JohnnyRingo Oct 2022 #30
And trump keeps Traildogbob Oct 2022 #33
You know, I'm always griping about Reagan killing the Fairness Doctrine in '87. PatrickforB Oct 2022 #25
I Googled how much money Jones has nuxvomica Oct 2022 #28
Let me state the obvious: "That's a LOT of money" JohnnyRingo Oct 2022 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Oct 2022 #31
He'll have to crank up the grifter engine Turbineguy Oct 2022 #32
Take the worthless bastard.. Maxheader Oct 2022 #34
Jones: "I mean, this is the left completely out of control." Aussie105 Oct 2022 #35
Excellent! Thanks for posting. TeamProg Oct 2022 #36
Frabjous Day! Calloo Callay! ZZenith Oct 2022 #37
Filthy Filth Monger! Wonder if ol Cha Oct 2022 #38
I don't think this should be an all-cash settlement jmowreader Oct 2022 #39
We'll see if they ever get one penny. The Grand Illuminist Oct 2022 #40
May Alex Jones live in a cardboard box GoldandSilver Oct 2022 #41
The evil piece of shit deserves the most prolonged and painful natural death known to science. dalton99a Oct 2022 #43
After discussion, the hosts voted to lock this post JudyM Oct 2022 #44

Harker

(17,786 posts)
1. I'd love to see a whole lot of zeros tacked on the end.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:27 PM
Oct 2022

The people he wronged deserve everything they can get.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
2. You're getting your wish.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:42 PM
Oct 2022

Justice is being served today.

This fucker used this tragedy to sell his snake oil. Bankrupt his ass into oblivion.

Piece of shit…

Dorn

(562 posts)
22. Right: it is not enough
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 05:04 PM
Oct 2022

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
3. Hundreds of millions live on MSNBC
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:47 PM
Oct 2022

I can't even count it up, but it is an incredible amount. Bless that jury.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
6. It is unfathomable the cruelty this man inflicted on these families.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:50 PM
Oct 2022

hibbing

(10,598 posts)
4. Honest question, can't he just declare bankruptcy and start all over again?
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:49 PM
Oct 2022

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
5. NOPE
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:49 PM
Oct 2022

rurallib

(64,688 posts)
7. good to hear!
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:50 PM
Oct 2022

Hope this jury is sending a message loud and clear

Grokenstein

(6,356 posts)
8. Can't wait to see his performative response
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:00 PM
Oct 2022

as he switches from "Defiant Teller of Truths" to "Quavering Mass of Mental Problems and Organ Failures."

hibbing

(10,598 posts)
9. He's joking about it already n/t
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:13 PM
Oct 2022

Grins

(9,459 posts)
10. Now wait for the judge to reduce it....
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:16 PM
Oct 2022

Happens too often.

moonshinegnomie

(4,022 posts)
11. none of it is punitive damages either
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:17 PM
Oct 2022

looks like about 1/2 is for emotional damage and the rest for actual damages which makes it much harder to overturn on appeal.

moonshinegnomie

(4,022 posts)
12. the judge should order jones to post a bon for any appeal
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:19 PM
Oct 2022

say 20% of the damages or 200m.
pretty much will wipe him out

Scottie Mom

(5,838 posts)
15. In most states, the losing party on a money judgment has to post a bond to stop collection.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:38 PM
Oct 2022

In Calif, if the losing party does not post a bond on a money judgment, the winning party can begin collections immediately. Filing an appeal does not stop enforcement/collection of the judgment on appeal.

Edit to add: The bond is greater than the amount of the judgment in almost all cases.

Irish_Dem

(81,272 posts)
13. Does he have this kind of money?
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:34 PM
Oct 2022

Scottie Mom

(5,838 posts)
16. There's always the sale of assets and future earnings.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:42 PM
Oct 2022

IMO, those plaintiff literally OWN him for life!!!!!!

And, at least in Calif, any unpaid portion of a judgment collects interest...at a judgment rate which is 10% in Calif.

Hope it close to the same for the plaintiffs in this case.

Irish_Dem

(81,272 posts)
17. Yes but can he make money if he has to follow the law, not harass people, or tell lies.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:47 PM
Oct 2022

doc03

(39,086 posts)
18. Well that makes him unemployed
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:50 PM
Oct 2022

Irish_Dem

(81,272 posts)
20. Yep. He will have to find another line of work.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:51 PM
Oct 2022

An honest one.

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
14. "Strangers showed up at their homes..."
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:37 PM
Oct 2022

This kind of cruelty is incomprehensible to me.

What the bloody fucking hell is wrong with people who do this kind of thing? Subhuman troglodytes.

Irish_Dem

(81,272 posts)
19. Sociopaths have no empathy. They are con artists who hurt people for profit.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:50 PM
Oct 2022

No consideration for other people at all.
No conscience.

It's not even personal against their target group.
Just a way to make a lot of money using people.

cstanleytech

(28,473 posts)
26. You just described every Senate and House Republican.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:07 PM
Oct 2022

Irish_Dem

(81,272 posts)
27. Yes, GOP leaders are sociopaths, narcissists and con artists.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:12 PM
Oct 2022

They care nothing about Americans or the country.

They are for sale to the highest bidder.

Their goal is total permanent power.
Access to all US financial assets.

And white, make christian minority rule.

GoldandSilver

(186 posts)
42. There are no words
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 10:53 PM
Oct 2022

In our language to express the lowness of individuals like him. Vile and repugnant just don’t cut it.


Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
21. This statement from Norm Pattis, Jones' lawyer, is utterly bonkers.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 05:02 PM
Oct 2022
“My heart goes out to the families, we live in divided times. They’ve been weaponized and used for political purposes in this country, in my view, and today is a very, very, very dark day for freedom of speech.”


No, Norm, your heart doesn't go out to the families. Yes, we do live in divided times. Your client helped that along. No, they haven't been weaponized. Your client weaponized his followers and used them and his network for political purposes. No, it isn't a dark day for freedom of speech, because the First Amendment doesn't protect the sort of speech your client engaged in and never has.

Irony truly is dead. Unbelievable.

IcyPeas

(25,475 posts)
23. this is good... but... his show is still allowed to carry on
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 05:16 PM
Oct 2022

I believe in the right to free speech ..... 99.9 % of the time.

but c'mon..... there has to be a line somewhere.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
24. That's about
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 05:42 PM
Oct 2022

The stated tax value (when asking for loans) of trump’s Mardi-Lardo. He could loan it to Jones, being that he is his boy. Damn the gay frogs and lizard people that are out to ruin him.

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
30. Doesn't sound like something DJT would do.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:38 PM
Oct 2022

He might fundraise and let others pay, but he's way too selfish to spend his money on anything outside himself. Alex Jones is one of many floating alongside TFG in life boats. It's too easy to cut the line.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
33. And trump keeps
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 07:11 PM
Oct 2022

A razor sharp knife to cut those lines in a heartbeat to save his fat ass.

PatrickforB

(15,426 posts)
25. You know, I'm always griping about Reagan killing the Fairness Doctrine in '87.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:05 PM
Oct 2022

Alex Jones would NEVER have been able to spread such lies if we had a Fairness Doctrine similar to the one Reagan pocket-vetoed in the way-back-when.

I will say that this in nice to see. The Sandy Hook parents should NEVER have had to relive their nightmare in court with a dirt-bag like Jones. Nonetheless, this verdict, along with other things going on, may provide the corporate owned media with some real parameters in truth-in-news. If it cost Fox, for example, $500 million for perpetuating Trumpy's 'big lie,' then it might force some corporate responsibility in how news is reported.

As to Alex, perhaps a prison term would be good, as well.

nuxvomica

(14,092 posts)
28. I Googled how much money Jones has
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:31 PM
Oct 2022

And "Celebrity Net Worth" already lists his net worth at $-900 billion. That's minus.

Jones did real damage to people's lives with his lies and they say there was a very high bar for proving him liable, which the plaintiffs did. But beyond that, there are other people in the lying-for-politics industry that are going to know he exceeded that bar but they won't know by how much, or where that bar actual is. So this is a victory not only for the plaintiffs but for honest speech as well.

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
29. Let me state the obvious: "That's a LOT of money"
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:34 PM
Oct 2022

I know many will say he needs to pay more, and that he's getting off light. I ask how much is enough? a billion? A trillion? A gazillion dollars? There's a point that it just doesn't matter.

Let's be realistic. That's more liability than I ever heard of levied against one person, or his basement studio media empire. This is more of a message than smacking a puppy's nose for crapping in the corner, and not just to Jones. You can bet Hannity, Carlson, Michael Savage, and Mark Levin all heard this verdict and now know there could be a big penalty to pay for Social Arson. The world just became a more polite planet.

I believe he got just what he deserved. A crippling penalty that he'll never recover from. Good!!

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Turbineguy

(40,076 posts)
32. He'll have to crank up the grifter engine
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:49 PM
Oct 2022

and roll coal over his dumbfuck audience to get them to ante up.

Maxheader

(4,419 posts)
34. Take the worthless bastard..
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 07:22 PM
Oct 2022

and throw it in jail until the award is satisfied....

Aussie105

(7,923 posts)
35. Jones: "I mean, this is the left completely out of control."
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 07:38 PM
Oct 2022

The settlement seems an appropriate response to Jones being completely out of control, and the chaos he created.

What was he thinking at the time? (I blame the drugs.)

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
36. Excellent! Thanks for posting.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 07:52 PM
Oct 2022

ZZenith

(4,469 posts)
37. Frabjous Day! Calloo Callay!
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:18 PM
Oct 2022

Burn that entire enterprise to the ground!!!

Fuck yes.

Cha

(319,080 posts)
38. Filthy Filth Monger! Wonder if ol
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:23 PM
Oct 2022

Sack of Shit wished he never started his GD UGLY SHIT?

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
39. I don't think this should be an all-cash settlement
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:49 PM
Oct 2022

The complete assets of Jones’ media empire need to be part of what he hands over. Sell off the equipment, deposit some funds in a bank account so the URLs can be constantly renewed (this way they can never be used again) and convince the big cable outlets to never allow him to appear.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,040 posts)
40. We'll see if they ever get one penny.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:53 PM
Oct 2022

There is always the red tape.

GoldandSilver

(186 posts)
41. May Alex Jones live in a cardboard box
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 10:45 PM
Oct 2022

And eat out of garbage cans for whatever remains of his miserable life!

He spews nothing but venom and hurtful lies, hurting ordinary people. He’s made a lot of money spreading his venom, now let him feel a little of the pain he’s visited upon others.

dalton99a

(94,133 posts)
43. The evil piece of shit deserves the most prolonged and painful natural death known to science.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:11 PM
Oct 2022

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
44. After discussion, the hosts voted to lock this post
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 09:52 AM
Oct 2022

The edit history of this post shows that it did not originally have the substantive info about the verdict, which is the real story here. Because of that, the hosts’ consensus is that it did not meet the SOP until after it was edited to include that info. Since pnwmom posted the substantive news before your edit, we feel the fair result is to allow their OP to stand, so this one needs to be locked as a dupe.

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