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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,427 posts)
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 09:00 AM Oct 2022

DOJ seeks 6 months in prison, $200K fine for Steven Bannon over contempt conviction

Source: ABC

The Justice Department is asking a federal judge to sentence Steve Bannon, adviser to former President Donald Trump, to six months in prison and make him pay a $200,000 fine for his conviction on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress, according to a new court filing.

"From the moment that the Defendant, Stephen K. Bannon, accepted service of a subpoena from the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, he has pursued a bad-faith strategy of defiance and contempt," prosecutors said Monday. "The Committee sought documents and testimony from the Defendant relevant to a matter of national importance: the circumstances that led to a violent attack on the Capitol and disruption of the peaceful transfer of power. In response, the Defendant flouted the Committee's authority and ignored the subpoena's demands."

it continued, "For his sustained, bad-faith contempt of Congress, the Defendant should be sentenced to six months' imprisonment—the top end of the Sentencing Guidelines' range—and fined $200,000—based on his insistence on paying the maximum fine rather than cooperate with the Probation Office's routine pre-sentencing financial investigation."

Bannon was found guilty in July of defying a subpoena from the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-seeks-months-prison-200k-fine-steven-bannon/story?id=91620316&cid=social_twitter_abcn

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DOJ seeks 6 months in prison, $200K fine for Steven Bannon over contempt conviction (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 OP
I hope the judge agrees. Lonestarblue Oct 2022 #1
Does he go to jail? Go directly to jail? Do not pass go Walleye Oct 2022 #2
Not for some time FBaggins Oct 2022 #4
Would this make it all the way to SC? bluestarone Oct 2022 #8
It could FBaggins Oct 2022 #9
There is no appeal process. The conviction is "appeal bulletproof." He'll be sentenced Oct 21. ancianita Oct 2022 #13
There's an appeal process. He will probably lose, but he can appeal. rsdsharp Oct 2022 #15
According to this process, has he filed appeal within 14 days? ancianita Oct 2022 #21
Sentence will be imposed later this week. rsdsharp Oct 2022 #25
Right. ancianita Oct 2022 #27
What gave you that idea? FBaggins Oct 2022 #16
Please another couple of questions here. bluestarone Oct 2022 #17
He wouldn't go to jail/prison during the appeal process FBaggins Oct 2022 #18
True, his attorney said 'bulletproof appeal.' Do you have a link that he's appealed? ancianita Oct 2022 #20
He doesn't have to appeal by Friday FBaggins Oct 2022 #22
Okay, fine. I've read that he's told the court that he'll appeal, so let him. After a jury decision ancianita Oct 2022 #23
Appeals don't have anything to do with the jury FBaggins Oct 2022 #24
Fine. I stand corrected. I'll still err on the side of the appeal being dismissed. ancianita Oct 2022 #26
The only way an appeal as a matter-of-right would be "dismissed" would be on procedural grounds, rsdsharp Oct 2022 #28
Yes. I get procedural grounds re appeals. ancianita Oct 2022 #29
I didn't say it was untimely. I said a procedural issue is the only way it would be dismissed. rsdsharp Oct 2022 #31
Will he be able to stay out of jail for the duration of his appeals, even after sentencing? ancianita Oct 2022 #30
Yes, he will stay out of jail pending appeal (assuming he's sentenced to jail). rsdsharp Oct 2022 #32
Thanks. ancianita Oct 2022 #33
Maybe TDFG will issue him a fake pardon with his fake executive privilege as fake president bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #3
Lock this asshole up LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #5
+! speak easy Oct 2022 #34
This is small change compared to conspiracy and sedition which he engages in daily. n/t Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #6
I truly believe that when he gets sentenced that this will be a turning point on how people vote turbinetree Oct 2022 #7
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #10
Yep 6 months. THEN bluestarone Oct 2022 #11
Really? Six months in jail and $200,000 would deter me. BUT that is a ruler across the knuckles..... usaf-vet Oct 2022 #12
Based on what newly jailed perps say EndlessWire Oct 2022 #19
$200,000? Question: Will he write a personal check and laugh... Grins Oct 2022 #14

Lonestarblue

(10,030 posts)
1. I hope the judge agrees.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 09:02 AM
Oct 2022

Contempt of our legal system deserves significant punishment. I wish it could be more for this scumbag.

bluestarone

(17,002 posts)
8. Would this make it all the way to SC?
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 11:16 AM
Oct 2022

If so does the SC have options to, like change it to $10,000 and 1 month in prison? Or is the SC's only option to drop this charge completely?

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
9. It could
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 11:19 AM
Oct 2022

That doesn't mean that they'll take it - but there is a constitutional question involved.

As for the specifics? No. SCOTUS doesn't change sentences/fines apart from overturning them. They could theoretically say that a given fine was unconstitutionally high (though I can't see how in this case), but that would take the form of sending the case back to the lower courts to come up with a new sentence. They wouldn't create one themselves.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
13. There is no appeal process. The conviction is "appeal bulletproof." He'll be sentenced Oct 21.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 12:42 PM
Oct 2022
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/stephen-k-bannon-found-guilty-jury-two-counts-contempt-congress



Bannon is to be sentenced on Oct. 21, 2022. Each count of contempt of Congress carries a minimum of 30 days and a maximum of one year in jail, as well as a fine of $100 to $100,000. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
15. There's an appeal process. He will probably lose, but he can appeal.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 01:10 PM
Oct 2022

b) Appeal in a Criminal Case.

(1) Time for Filing a Notice of Appeal.

(A) In a criminal case, a defendant's notice of appeal must be filed in the district court within 14 days after the later of:

(i) the entry of either the judgment or the order being appealed; or

(ii) the filing of the government's notice of appeal.

(B) When the government is entitled to appeal, its notice of appeal must be filed in the district court within 30 days after the later of:

(i) the entry of the judgment or order being appealed; or

(ii) the filing of a notice of appeal by any defendant.

(2) Filing Before Entry of Judgment. A notice of appeal filed after the court announces a decision, sentence, or order—but before the entry of the judgment or order—is treated as filed on the date of and after the entry.

Fed R App Pro 4.

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
25. Sentence will be imposed later this week.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 03:36 PM
Oct 2022

A notice of appeal filed after the court announces a decision, sentence, or order—but before the entry of the judgment or order—is treated as filed on the date of and after the entry.

So if he files a notice of appeal after the sentence is announced it will be treated as filed on the date of and after entry of judgment.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
27. Right.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 04:04 PM
Oct 2022
So if he files a notice of appeal after the sentence is announced it will be treated as filed on the date of and after entry of judgment.


Okay, cool.

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
16. What gave you that idea?
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 01:30 PM
Oct 2022

What federal criminal court decision is beyond appeal?

FYI - Bannon's team (in their sentencing recommendation) asked that the sentencing automatically be stayed pending the appeal they've already notified the court is coming.

In his own sentencing memorandum, Bannon asked that he be sentenced to a period of probation and stay any sentence pending appeal of his conviction.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-seeks-months-prison-200k-fine-steve-bannon/story?id=91620316


BTW - The "appeal bulletproof" statement was actually Bannon's attorney claiming that his case for appeal was bulletproof. It wasn't that the conviction could not be appealed.

bluestarone

(17,002 posts)
17. Please another couple of questions here.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 01:36 PM
Oct 2022

IF appealed, who decides if he goes to jail during the appeal process? Could this judge say like JAIL during the appeal process, based on the chance he'll win is low? ( i hope so) TYVM for you're answers here.

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
18. He wouldn't go to jail/prison during the appeal process
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 01:41 PM
Oct 2022

Not for a misdemeanor conviction with such a short sentence.

Doing so would effectively moot the right to appeal because the sentence would have been served before a normal appeal would even be heard.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
20. True, his attorney said 'bulletproof appeal.' Do you have a link that he's appealed?
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 02:49 PM
Oct 2022

If he's going to appeal it will have to be before Friday.

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
22. He doesn't have to appeal by Friday
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 02:52 PM
Oct 2022

Again, I'm not sure what gave you that idea. He has 14 days after sentencing.

Of course - convicted defendants often want to wait to see if their punishment is large enough to warrant an appeal. If the sentence is for 30 days of home confinement and is suspended... I'm not sure he would feel the need to appeal. If someone just gets a fine that is a tiny fraction of their net worth (and more than the cost of an appeal), the same thing could happen.

But he's already told the court that he intends to.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
23. Okay, fine. I've read that he's told the court that he'll appeal, so let him. After a jury decision
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 02:59 PM
Oct 2022

he's entitled to appeals, and he can refile if his appeal is dismissed, but the jury system is held high in the justice system, and its decision will probably be upheld as final. He's already had a request for a new trial turned down.

I'll still err on the side of a dismissal of his appeal, since everyone's so sure he'll file.



FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
24. Appeals don't have anything to do with the jury
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 03:11 PM
Oct 2022

Appeal courts can't change a jury's ruling from guilty to not guilty.

They review judges' rulings or whether the case was properly filed in the first place. But it has nothing to do with respect for the jury.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
26. Fine. I stand corrected. I'll still err on the side of the appeal being dismissed.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 04:01 PM
Oct 2022

Bannon can appeal the dismissal all the way to SCOTUS, and the conviction will still stand.

Stalling is obviously his strategy, that and his finally being cooperative the with Jan 6 Comte. days before he was to face a jury trial.

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
28. The only way an appeal as a matter-of-right would be "dismissed" would be on procedural grounds,
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 04:20 PM
Oct 2022

such as if it were untimely. He may lose his appeal, but the Second Circuit would hear it.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
29. Yes. I get procedural grounds re appeals.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 04:39 PM
Oct 2022

How it's suddenly 'untimely' after his year's delay seems weird. And yes, the Second Circuit would probably hear it.

He's still got nothing. He's been a public scofflaw, which should not work in his favor.

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
31. I didn't say it was untimely. I said a procedural issue is the only way it would be dismissed.
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 04:48 PM
Oct 2022

If he appeals with 14 days of entry of judgment, it will be timely. He has no control over when the District Court enters judgment.

You seem to have confused an appeal being dismissed (not being heard) with losing on the merits. If he satisfies the procedural requirements, the Second Circuit wouldn’t “probably” hear the appeal; they have no choice. He can appeal as a matter-of-right. He may well lose, but it must be heard.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
30. Will he be able to stay out of jail for the duration of his appeals, even after sentencing?
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 04:47 PM
Oct 2022

Even if he is, he's probably just postponing the inevitable.

rsdsharp

(9,188 posts)
32. Yes, he will stay out of jail pending appeal (assuming he's sentenced to jail).
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 04:51 PM
Oct 2022

It does him no good to appeal if he’s already served his sentence before the appeal can be decided. It would render the right to appeal moot.

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)
3. Maybe TDFG will issue him a fake pardon with his fake executive privilege as fake president
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 09:06 AM
Oct 2022

I mean there's always hope for manufacturing some privilege out of hot air, right?

Evolve Dammit

(16,750 posts)
6. This is small change compared to conspiracy and sedition which he engages in daily. n/t
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 10:19 AM
Oct 2022

Nonetheless, max sentence please.

turbinetree

(24,709 posts)
7. I truly believe that when he gets sentenced that this will be a turning point on how people vote
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 10:19 AM
Oct 2022

either you are for the rule of law or you are not......

usaf-vet

(6,190 posts)
12. Really? Six months in jail and $200,000 would deter me. BUT that is a ruler across the knuckles.....
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 12:32 PM
Oct 2022

..... for Bannon.

Six months of showers and clean single-layer jumpsuits will be a change.

But $200,000 is equivalent to the price of buying pizza for everyday Americans. Especially because some dark money fund will pay the $200,000, and he will fundraise that much or more before and after his jail time.

This is sad; that is all we can do to punish someone, who tried to overthrow our democracy.

We are in dip sh*t if that is the case.

EndlessWire

(6,550 posts)
19. Based on what newly jailed perps say
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 01:59 PM
Oct 2022

Jail for even 30 days is highly unpleasant. We've seen people's lawyers complain that the conditions are deplorable. I've worked in a prison and I can tell you, they are ceaselessly noisy, stifling, and pretty much unbearable. It takes some time to get used to those conditions, and until you are conditioned, you are miserable.

So yeah, 30-60 days is nothing, and $200,000 is nothing to this millionaire, but if that's what we can get, there you go. It's too bad that he will be out for Midterms on appeal.

Grins

(7,221 posts)
14. $200,000? Question: Will he write a personal check and laugh...
Mon Oct 17, 2022, 01:10 PM
Oct 2022

...or will the contemptible wads of shit who follow him pay it for him?

How is this a deterrence to others? Bannon will wear this like a combat medal.

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