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Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:18 PM Nov 2012

Karl Rove Defends His $300 Million Disaster...

Source: Talking Points Memo



Karl Rove boasted on the eve of Tuesday’s election that all signs pointed towards an electoral college landslide. He was right about the result, just wrong about the candidate. And now it’s up to Rove to explain to donors why, after blowing through $300 million of their money, President Obama is still President Obama and Harry Reid still runs the Senate.

Judging by Rove’s election night tantrum on Fox News, this was not a situation he was well prepared for. In a surreal stretch of television, he refused to believe the network’s call of Ohio, lashed out at producers for making it, then spouted a blizzard of county by county statistics to justify his increasingly untenable case.

“Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?” Fox host Megyn Kelly asked at one point, “Or is this real?”...

...Two days later, Rove started the hard work of explaining why the Democrats were simply too much for any one billionaire-funded super PAC to handle...


Read more: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/karl-rove-offers-long-list-of-excuses-after-300-million-debacle.php



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  • Mother Nature: “Hurricane Sandy interrupted Mr. Romney’s momentum and allowed Mr. Obama to look presidential and bipartisan.” Rove telegraphed this argument even before election day, but the fact remains that there’s almost no polling evidence at all for it. Obama’s swing state lead had stabilized well before the storm hit.

  • Editors: “Then there was the anonymous New York Times headline writer who affixed “Let ‘Detroit Go Bankrupt’ to Mr. Romney’s November 2008 op-ed on reorganizing the auto companies, which the Obama campaign brought up again and again in the industrial Midwest. The president made it appear that Mr. Romney favored liquidation of the companies (which he did not), instead of an orderly reorganization (which he did).”

  • The Hired Help: “A hotel employee with a cellphone camera taped Mr. Romney talking at a May fundraiser about the “47%” of the population that do not have any federal income-tax liability. When released in September, the video added to public doubts about Mr. Romney’s wealth and character.”

  • Dirty Tricks: Rove told Fox that Obama won by “suppressing the vote.” Not by, say, imposing voting restrictions that disproportionately affect certain demographics, but by running mean ads about Bain Capital...

  • Mitt Romney: Rove said the Republican nominee ran a “valiant race,” but suggested that the failure to rebut the Bain attacks was exclusively a Romney issue. “We don’t do defense all that well,” he said. “It’s better to have the candidate (respond).”
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Karl Rove Defends His $300 Million Disaster... (Original Post) Indi Guy Nov 2012 OP
GO Karl! trublu992 Nov 2012 #1
Rove, you magnificent bastard, I read your book! Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #2
!!! Richardo Nov 2012 #20
TRUMP's tweet (in the link) is good, too: UTUSN Nov 2012 #42
Classic Trump: "Congrats to @KarlRove on blowing $400 million this cycle..." wordpix Nov 2012 #55
expect the gop to read our sides "book" before 2014/16 BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #30
That would sure be allot cheaper & more eeffective... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #35
they don't know how .......... dothemath Nov 2012 #37
I think they're too arrogant to do that. They're in denial. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #48
No wonder Bush was so lousy. This boob was his brain. The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #3
cabbage? dothemath Nov 2012 #38
It is insanity. The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #39
Just really unbelievable. closeupready Nov 2012 #4
But i thought Republicans were supposed to be good with money. Daniel537 Nov 2012 #5
Look at the record... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #6
They're just good at pissing away other's money. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #9
OMG...they are HORRIBLE with money. SoapBox Nov 2012 #11
So true! yardwork Nov 2012 #34
let this be a lesson to ANYONE who thinks they are - if they were in charge of US pursestrings again wordpix Nov 2012 #56
It's not like the loss to the rich is $300M. They will simply SDjack Nov 2012 #7
Can't put a dollar value on his humiliation bitchkitty Nov 2012 #23
It was and continues to warm my heart. nt SDjack Nov 2012 #28
Then again, maybe he's just really, really bad at what he says he can do. eom Maeve Nov 2012 #8
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Dubster Nov 2012 #10
it wasn't 300 mill It was BILLIONS lovuian Nov 2012 #12
The Super Pac's combined spent over a $billion... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #18
Hey Shelly, Chuck, and Dave, no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #13
He's seriously looking like someone blew him up with air. nt Sarah Ibarruri Nov 2012 #14
Clearly - he's a casualty of inflation... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #15
LOL! Good one. nt Sarah Ibarruri Nov 2012 #22
I hope yopu enjoy swinging in the wind Karl. - n/t Jim__ Nov 2012 #16
No, darlin'. You want him twisting slowly, slowly in the wind. aquart Nov 2012 #54
"Waaaaah!!! It's not me, it's THEM, the meanies!!! Warpy Nov 2012 #17
Karl's duplicity and hubris are of epic proportions! According to Rove... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #19
“It’s better to have the candidate (respond).” I thought it was illegal to coordinate efforts. Doremus Nov 2012 #21
Of course he was running it. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #40
Rove's 2 PACs are... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #41
I caught that "it's better...", too, and thought the same thing wordpix Nov 2012 #57
How much of that ended up in KKKarl's own pockets? jpak Nov 2012 #24
Bain ADs DID WORK! HA! They were real and they WORKED. Sounds like a big piggy Cha Nov 2012 #25
all of your "excuses" Karl existed before your predicted landslide for Rmoney ...so>>> BREMPRO Nov 2012 #26
Frankly, he's ALL they got. He knows it. They know it. Sucks to be them. tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #27
Why does this number keep getting smaller? I thought it was 400 million. 6000eliot Nov 2012 #29
Citizens United was a bad idea. Negative ads, money for loser candidates, McCamy Taylor Nov 2012 #31
David Koch's 'AFP'... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #33
The "anonymous New York Times headline writer" is new to me and steaming load of s__t underpants Nov 2012 #32
Maybe there should be a Grand Jury to find out what went on in Ohio.. Historic NY Nov 2012 #36
The doughboy behind the curtain has been revealed. EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #43
Loser!,would have been cheaper and best for America to PAY YOUR TAXES! Sunlei Nov 2012 #44
also better to stop firing Americans & sending their jobs overseas, making million$ in the process wordpix Nov 2012 #58
Blaiming NY Times editors for "Let Detroit go Bankrupt". DCBob Nov 2012 #45
As I recall, Obama was roundly criticized by the "Right" for... Indi Guy Nov 2012 #46
Yes he was... remember Obama Motors and Government Motors? DCBob Nov 2012 #49
Bwahahahaha! nt ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #47
It's like watching a cat try to cover up on linoleum... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #50
lol. apt analogy Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #59
Richard Nixon's REVENGE on the Republican Party = stupid Racist Tea Thugs' Hate-Radio FAILURE. patrice Nov 2012 #51
Cheaters. patrice Nov 2012 #52
His brand is dead in the water DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #53

trublu992

(489 posts)
1. GO Karl!
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:20 PM
Nov 2012

Don't you ever for one split second let reality or common sense or math get in your way Stay Strong Karl we'll keep kicking you ass in elections for half the price!

UTUSN

(72,475 posts)
42. TRUMP's tweet (in the link) is good, too:
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:53 AM
Nov 2012

********QUOTE********

@realDonaldTrump


Congrats to @KarlRove on blowing $400 million this cycle. Every race @CrossroadsGPS ran ads in, the Republicans lost. What a waste of money.

*******UNQUOTE******

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
30. expect the gop to read our sides "book" before 2014/16
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:50 PM
Nov 2012

they will analyze every atom of how the Obama team did it all, and copy(well...TRY to copy) the strategeries for themselves.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
35. That would sure be allot cheaper & more eeffective...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:15 PM
Nov 2012

...than what they tried this cycle.

Just watch out for the influence of Super PAC money in state & local politics.

 

dothemath

(345 posts)
37. they don't know how ..........
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:27 AM
Nov 2012

Granted, they may try. I suspect their version of a 'ground game' will be more of the same kind of strategy (?) that failed them this time. It will be more like "we will tell you how to vote and if you don't agree, it is because you are a socialist-loving, freedom-hating, abortion loving, parasite that refuses to believe our way or the highway is the ONLY way to proceed. Be gone with you.
If they could have gotten just a billion or two more from a handful of the filthy rich people they love so much, they could have bought this election. Not every one of the repubs were 100% confident, though, and tried to set Florida up to allow the supremes to appoint Romney just as they did in 2000 with Bush.

NYC Liberal

(20,347 posts)
48. I think they're too arrogant to do that. They're in denial.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:46 PM
Nov 2012

They are blaming their losss(es) on everyone and everything but themselves and their strategy. Their one critique of themselves is that their candidate wasn't right-wing enough! Talk about not getting it.

 

dothemath

(345 posts)
38. cabbage?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:30 AM
Nov 2012

Next time, maybe the billionaires will throw their cash behind a cabbage to be the 'brain'. The result will be the same and they will blame their own 'chosen' candidate. A pox on them.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. Just really unbelievable.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:24 PM
Nov 2012

I mean, obviously, I'm going to relish when we win, but how can even the most objective observer look at that number, look at what a failure he was, and not just go, "wow. Total waste of money. Total."

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
11. OMG...they are HORRIBLE with money.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:31 PM
Nov 2012

It's SO weird, that America believes these wild spenders, to be good with budgets and money.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
56. let this be a lesson to ANYONE who thinks they are - if they were in charge of US pursestrings again
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:15 PM
Nov 2012

you can bet we'd have another BushCheney size economic disaster

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
7. It's not like the loss to the rich is $300M. They will simply
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:28 PM
Nov 2012

increase their prices on products and services, and the 47% will pay for all of those ads demanding that we vote for Rmoney and GOP, against our own interests. That's right, we the 47% funded both sides of the election. Remember all of those Romney ads, we the 47% paid for those. Now, isn't that good enough reason to have controlled public financing?
The only guy who paid nothing is Rmoney. He contributed $0 to his own campaign.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
12. it wasn't 300 mill It was BILLIONS
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:33 PM
Nov 2012

and money and the Republican propaganda machine

failed
they created the Tea Party and it destroyed the Republican Party

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
18. The Super Pac's combined spent over a $billion...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:55 PM
Nov 2012

It appears that Rove himself was responsible for over $300 million. And yes, the Tea Party was the best self defeating apparatus that money can buy -- well done.

Hopefully some of the adults in the GOP will come forward and go to work with Obama.

no_hypocrisy

(48,910 posts)
13. Hey Shelly, Chuck, and Dave,
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:35 PM
Nov 2012

Sue Rove for negligence with punitive damages. Get your money back (if you can . . . . )

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
17. "Waaaaah!!! It's not me, it's THEM, the meanies!!!
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:55 PM
Nov 2012

"If only we could prevent everybody but white male landowners from voting, we'd have our country back!!"

It's never their fault, their dogma didn't fail, and they never made a mistake in their lives.

Somehow I don't think the gang of billionaire fascists is going to buy this one. The only thing that remains is for Fat Karl to find a good retirement spot where he can write poisonous books for the rest of his wasted, rotten life.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
19. Karl's duplicity and hubris are of epic proportions! According to Rove...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:20 PM
Nov 2012

...Obama won by “suppressing the vote.” Not by, say, imposing voting restrictions that disproportionately affect certain demographics, but by running mean ads about Bain Capital...

Hey Karl -- Remember how you slimed John Kerry's & Max Cleland's war records??? I'm glad I lived long enough to see you get the fuzzy side of the lollypop for a change.


Doremus

(7,265 posts)
21. “It’s better to have the candidate (respond).” I thought it was illegal to coordinate efforts.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:23 PM
Nov 2012

Kkkarl sure does sound like he was coordinating with Willard's campaign. (He actually makes it sound like he was RUNNING it.) I thought that was illegal? Not that that makes a difference, as we all know he's above the law.


dixiegrrrrl

(60,011 posts)
40. Of course he was running it.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:59 AM
Nov 2012

He has always played the role of the man behind the throne.
This time, he had 2 super pacs, Crossroads something or another, I forgot the name already.
But no doubt in my mind he was running it.
Rove gained Republican attention and Democrat infamy for stealing the election for Bush.
He is very good at counting votes and coming up with dirty tricks, and wise enough not to leave his fingerprints on them.
He had a lot to do with Attorney Gate and Don siegleman's arrest and trials here in Alabama.

His Achille's heel is he fell in love with his own numbers and refused to accept the reality of why anyone would vote against a rich, entitled, racist prick.
Rove's bubble finally burst.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
41. Rove's 2 PACs are...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:04 AM
Nov 2012
...American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS. When you click on these sites you'll see that they are in a state of pre-election suspended animation -- they're still urging you to vote against Obama (I guess Rove doesn't have the money to pay his IT guys for updates).


Checkout these links to see where much of the PAC money went:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=American+Crossroads&oq=American+Crossroads&gs_l=youtube-reduced.12..0l4.13558.13558.0.14792.1.1.0.0.0.0.85.85.1.1.0...0.0...1ac.2.MDTadbhwB3Q

and

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Crossroads+gps&oq=Crossroads+gps&gs_l=youtube.12...0.0.0.3931.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac.


This ad is still up on the AC site:



wordpix

(18,652 posts)
57. I caught that "it's better...", too, and thought the same thing
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:19 PM
Nov 2012

If he were not coordinating, he would have said something like, "It's not my job to respond to attacks on Romney's days at Bain."

Cha

(305,494 posts)
25. Bain ADs DID WORK! HA! They were real and they WORKED. Sounds like a big piggy
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:44 PM
Nov 2012
WHINE FEST to me with a lot of CHEEZE.

"mitt ran a valient race"?! No Mention of mittLIES.. And, no TAX RETURNS! How'd that work out for them? Oh, they would have lost Bigger if he'd have released them, you say, Karl? Oh, that's too DAMN BAD.

LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT Didn't Mr Stupidhead Double Down on that before he Switched and tried to take Credit for The Car Industries' Recovery?

What about the Jeep Ad, Karl? Ralph Gilles tweeting mitt he was full of Shit? Not bringing that up? Why not? Even David Mediawhore Gregory was after gops on that little freaking LIE.

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
26. all of your "excuses" Karl existed before your predicted landslide for Rmoney ...so>>>
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:48 PM
Nov 2012

how is this an explanation for Obama's victory as much as your utter incompetence for not factoring in these things? eh? i don't see any mention of demographics, legitimate rape, Obama's superior GOTV, Rmoneys Failed "ORCA"...


LoSER!!

how does it feel to be the most hated, mocked man in America?

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
27. Frankly, he's ALL they got. He knows it. They know it. Sucks to be them.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:04 PM
Nov 2012

His heart will probably give out before the next election from the looks of him however.

(yes, I know... what heart)

<g>

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
31. Citizens United was a bad idea. Negative ads, money for loser candidates,
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:51 PM
Nov 2012

prolonged and painful primary---I kept my mouth shut and watched in quiet amusement. But now that it is over, I don't have to be quite anymore. So, this is for Turd Blossom and the Koch Brothers and Sheldon "The Pimp" Adelson:

underpants

(186,836 posts)
32. The "anonymous New York Times headline writer" is new to me and steaming load of s__t
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:25 PM
Nov 2012

When someone like Romney submits an op-ed to the NY Times or any paper they don't just drop it off like it is a paper slid under a professors door.

Romney types negotiate before and after on the op-ed.

I had never heard this before but it probably already legend and lore for the Fox News believers.

Historic NY

(37,910 posts)
36. Maybe there should be a Grand Jury to find out what went on in Ohio..
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:24 PM
Nov 2012

with the software rigging and the SOS statements as to why he went home....lots of questions what was rove attempting to achieve.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
43. The doughboy behind the curtain has been revealed.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:06 PM
Nov 2012

As long as Rove was in the right place at the right time he could ride the coattails
of the rich and powerful RW political machine. Once he was totally on his own to
"make it happen" he has proven to be a fraud, a talentless, big mouth excuse maker.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
58. also better to stop firing Americans & sending their jobs overseas, making million$ in the process
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:21 PM
Nov 2012

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
45. Blaiming NY Times editors for "Let Detroit go Bankrupt".
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:14 PM
Nov 2012

I suspect Romney was fine with the title at the time. But the title was not the worst.. it was the first paragraph...

"IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed."

Romney and the vast majority of the GOP opposed the bailout.. there were no ifs, ands, buts about it.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
46. As I recall, Obama was roundly criticized by the "Right" for...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:56 PM
Nov 2012

...getting the federal government into the auto manufacturing business.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
49. Yes he was... remember Obama Motors and Government Motors?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:00 PM
Nov 2012

We dont hear those ignorant derisive terms anymore.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
51. Richard Nixon's REVENGE on the Republican Party = stupid Racist Tea Thugs' Hate-Radio FAILURE.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:31 PM
Nov 2012

Oh, and did I mention EXPENSIVE?

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