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BumRushDaShow

(172,463 posts)
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:06 PM Oct 2022

U.S. appeals court temporarily blocks Biden's student loan forgiveness plan

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Oct 21 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court on Friday temporarily blocked President Joe Biden's plan to cancel billions of dollars in college student loans, one day after a judge dismissed a Republican-led lawsuit by six states challenging the debt-forgiveness program.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted the states' emergency petition to freeze the loan forgiveness plan until the court rules on their request for a longer-term injunction while Thursday's decision against the states is being appealed. The St. Louis-based appeals court also ordered an expedited briefing schedule on the matter.

U.S. District Judge Henry Autrey in St. Louis ruled on Thursday that while the six Republican-led states had raised "important and significant challenges to the debt relief plan," he threw out their lawsuit on grounds they lacked the necessary legal standing to pursue the case. Nebraska, Missouri, Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas and South Carolina said Biden's plan skirted congressional authority and threatened the states' future tax revenues and money earned by state entities that invest in or service the student loans.

Their case is one of a number that conservative state attorneys general and legal groups have filed seeking to halt the debt forgiveness plan announced in August by Biden, a Democrat. Autrey ruled about an hour after U.S. Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett denied without explanation an emergency request to put the debt relief plan on hold in a separate challenge brought by the Wisconsin-based Brown County Taxpayers Association.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-appeals-court-temporarily-blocks-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-plan-2022-10-21/



Short article. Article being updated. Last version below...

ETA - this is Kavanaugh's jurisdiction for SCOTUS assignment.

Original article -

Oct 21 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court on Friday temporarily blocked President Joe Biden's plan to cancel billions of dollars in student debt.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with six Republican-led states which had requested the student loan forgiveness plan be halted until court proceedings for an injunction are completed.





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U.S. appeals court temporarily blocks Biden's student loan forgiveness plan (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 OP
I'm confused Mz Pip Oct 2022 #1
Two different cases I think. underpants Oct 2022 #2
She acted on a case from the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 #3
+ agree. Also, over 20 million put in their applications for the debt relief today (21 October) iluvtennis Oct 2022 #4
I was one of them. AllyCat Oct 2022 #16
Not in any real sense FBaggins Oct 2022 #9
And how do all the red staters feel montanacowboy Oct 2022 #5
Any legal actions against farmer's debt relief? OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2022 #6
So who has standing to file a suit? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2022 #7
That's the issue. Igel Oct 2022 #10
They haven't gotten that far yet FBaggins Oct 2022 #11
Reverse the 2017 2.7 trillion Corporate Tax Cut 3825-87867 Oct 2022 #8
What is the irreparable harm to the states that warrants such an injunction? SunSeeker Oct 2022 #12
Apparently some states tax that money BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 #13
Any harm that can be made whole by repayment of money is not "irreparable." nt SunSeeker Oct 2022 #21
Link: sl8 Oct 2022 #14
Yep, all the states are just talking about money damages. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #22
The purpose of the stay is to give a few days time to recieve briefs and decide whether or not ... sl8 Oct 2022 #23
My Theory, the harm to Red States is totally political, and these Judges know it. msfiddlestix Oct 2022 #19
Yup. nt SunSeeker Oct 2022 #20
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Oct 2022 #15
These are the Federal loans Historic NY Oct 2022 #17
They Claim It Will Hurt State Pension Plans... GB_RN Oct 2022 #18
Statement from Biden administration LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #24
White House fires back in court against block on student loan debt forgiveness Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2022 #25

BumRushDaShow

(172,463 posts)
3. She acted on a case from the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:12 PM
Oct 2022

This is another case coming through a different Circuit.

iluvtennis

(21,529 posts)
4. + agree. Also, over 20 million put in their applications for the debt relief today (21 October)
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:12 PM
Oct 2022

FBaggins

(28,765 posts)
9. Not in any real sense
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:08 PM
Oct 2022

Oh... it was a "win" in the sense that if the court ruled the other way and actually took the case it would be a bad thing... but she/they didn't rule on the substance of anything (either that the plan was constitutional or even that nobody could have standing in challenging the plan). She/they just declined to hear the case (without comment). That could just mean that the issue wasn't "ripe" or the specific case didn't present the right question

montanacowboy

(6,734 posts)
5. And how do all the red staters feel
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:24 PM
Oct 2022

about this that are applying? will they remember to vote? will they know who is fleecing them? JHC!

OAITW r.2.0

(32,660 posts)
6. Any legal actions against farmer's debt relief?
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:24 PM
Oct 2022

A shit load more people will be positively impacted by student loan relief than farmers.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,154 posts)
7. So who has standing to file a suit?
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:43 PM
Oct 2022

I guess that’s part of the pending appeal/injunction process?

So far, the courts have not found anyone to have standing on previous cases, IIRC.

Igel

(37,614 posts)
10. That's the issue.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:19 PM
Oct 2022

If you can't substantiate standing, there's no case.

Doesn't mean that the action's legal or Constitutional, it's just that under the rules of American jurisprudence nobody can file a claim.

The Biden admin has responded to at least a couple of suits by modifying the program to specifically rule out claims filed. In one case, the modification affected at least 100s of thousands and occurred the day that a suit was filed. Action-reaction, the modification was pretty obviously done in order to avoid judicial review. That's not the action of an administration confidence of its legal standing. It's not "bring it on" it's "duck and cover".

NY played this game, changing laws to avoid action against the gun legislation passed there over the years. SCOTUS said that the actions taken were specifically to do something un-Constitutional but deny standing to plaintiffs and avoid judicial review and granted standing to those who lacked official standing because of what NYS did to *avoid* review.

FBaggins

(28,765 posts)
11. They haven't gotten that far yet
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:30 PM
Oct 2022

They haven't agreed that the states have established standing. This just gets them into next week by pushing pause on the plan while they argue that there should be a real pause (while they then argue the case).

It's a pretty low bar to cross. If there's any chance at all of them winning on appeal, then the fact that funds could start going out any day now harms the final result.

This one is actually an interesting twist on finding an entity with standing. It turns out that one of the largest federal student loan lenders (MOHELA) could claim to be harmed (because obviously they will lose interest income on the forgiven loans) and, get this, the MO in MOHELA is actually Missouri. So the question is less whether or not MOHELA has standing... and more whether Missouri can bring a claim on MOHELA's behalf.

It failed yesterday before a Bush judge. We'll know fairly quickly whether the 8th buys it

SunSeeker

(58,375 posts)
12. What is the irreparable harm to the states that warrants such an injunction?
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:36 PM
Oct 2022

We're just talking about expenditures of federal money.

BumRushDaShow

(172,463 posts)
13. Apparently some states tax that money
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:46 PM
Oct 2022

I think that was the main complaint in the Wisconsin case where receipt of the payment to apply against the loan would result in the plaintiff owing some "x" amount of taxes to the state. But the thing is, that only kicks in for those states IF you agree to accept that loan repayment, and that is why that one lost the case - they didn't HAVE to apply for it and could continue paying off the loan themselves.

There are probably some other convoluted types of loans that may or may not be covered under this program (outside of the "private" loans that obviously aren't covered).

sl8

(17,149 posts)
14. Link:
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 10:06 PM
Oct 2022

This is the district courts decision. The positions of the States vary, but are summarized in the decision:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.198213/gov.uscourts.moed.198213.44.0_2.pdf

Of course, Judge Autrey wasn't buying it. Looks like we'll find out if the circuit court buys it next week.

SunSeeker

(58,375 posts)
22. Yep, all the states are just talking about money damages.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:17 PM
Oct 2022

There is nothing irreparable about that. When you're paid back the money, you are no longer damaged. So what was the basis for the 8th Circuit's injunction?

sl8

(17,149 posts)
23. The purpose of the stay is to give a few days time to recieve briefs and decide whether or not ...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:46 PM
Oct 2022

The purpose of the stay is to give a them few days to receive briefs and then decide whether or not to issue the requested injunction.

msfiddlestix

(8,184 posts)
19. My Theory, the harm to Red States is totally political, and these Judges know it.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:33 AM
Oct 2022

The judges ruling to block Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness is about killing off any significant positive accomplishments which will tend to lean favorably to Dems at the ballot box.

I suspect this is their intention in a nutshell.

GB_RN

(3,589 posts)
18. They Claim It Will Hurt State Pension Plans...
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:35 PM
Oct 2022

But state loans aren't affected, thus pension plans aren't affected, nor are state tax payers or employees. It's a bogus argument. These clowns have no standing, but we all know that the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals is very friendly towards the Reich Wing. Hence this stay. I wouldn't be surprised if the goon squad gets a friendly ruling that requires such legal and mental gymnastics that it makes a contortionist look like an amateur.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(137,598 posts)
25. White House fires back in court against block on student loan debt forgiveness
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 07:08 PM
Oct 2022

The Biden administration on Monday rebuked a group of six states hoping to undo its plans to forgive student loan debt for millions of Americans.

It's the latest salvo in the ongoing legal bickering between conservative groups trying to derail the debt relief plan and the administration's hope of erasing millions of borrowers' debt – in keeping with a campaign promise – before the year's end.

The federal government said the states had failed to prove they would be injured by the administrations' debt relief initiative. It also said any limitation the court handed down should be restricted to the states bringing the challenge, where about 2.8 million people are eligible for debt forgiveness.

-snip-

"Plaintiffs will suffer no irreparable injury from the provision of much-needed relief to millions of Americans, but the public interest would be greatly harmed by its denial," the Biden administration said in its court filing. "If the Court disagrees, any injunction should be narrowly tailored to the plaintiff States."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-house-fires-back-in-court-against-block-on-student-loan-debt-forgiveness/ar-AA13kwwW

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