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turbinetree

(27,613 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:46 PM Nov 2022

Life sentence sought for teen in Michigan school shooting

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Associated Press

By ED WHITE and COREY WILLIAMS 2 minutes ago




DETROIT (AP) — Prosecutors said they’ll seek a life sentence with no chance for parole for a 16-year-old boy who killed four fellow students at a Michigan school and pleaded guilty to murder and terrorism.

They disclosed their plans in a court filing Monday, three weeks after Ethan Crumbley, 16, withdrew a possible insanity defense and acknowledged the shooting at Oxford High School in November 2021.

A first-degree murder conviction typically brings an automatic no-parole sentence in Michigan. But teenagers are entitled to a hearing where their lawyer can raise immaturity, mental condition, family life and other issues while arguing for a shorter term.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/crime-shootings-michigan-detroit-school-ffe3c8c6eba92b977c3d51ae11be5161

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Life sentence sought for teen in Michigan school shooting (Original Post) turbinetree Nov 2022 OP
Should be more with no chance of ever getting out, buried behind those walls IMO republianmushroom Nov 2022 #1
Guilty to murder and terrorism IronLionZion Nov 2022 #2
because that will be a deterrent to others? maxsolomon Nov 2022 #5
It's not exactly rational thinkers who commit terrorism either IronLionZion Nov 2022 #6
9/11 was planned and executed by rational thinkers. maxsolomon Nov 2022 #7
That headline and pic should be printed on posters to stick to walls in every school. Justice matters. Nov 2022 #3
Idiot parents who gave him the gun need life without parole. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #4
Yep - I totally agree with that FakeNoose Nov 2022 #8
They only face 15 years max for involuntary manslaughter. LudwigPastorius Nov 2022 #9
Consecutive... 2naSalit Nov 2022 #10
such a shame - these killings are mindless purr-rat beauty Nov 2022 #11
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Nov 2022 #12
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Nov 2022 #13

republianmushroom

(22,449 posts)
1. Should be more with no chance of ever getting out, buried behind those walls IMO
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:52 PM
Nov 2022

IronLionZion

(51,437 posts)
2. Guilty to murder and terrorism
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:03 PM
Nov 2022

damn, it's about time mass shooters get hit with terrorism charges.

maxsolomon

(38,931 posts)
5. because that will be a deterrent to others?
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:14 PM
Nov 2022

it's not exactly rational thinkers planning these rampages.

IronLionZion

(51,437 posts)
6. It's not exactly rational thinkers who commit terrorism either
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:17 PM
Nov 2022

that could be said for a lot of violent crime

maxsolomon

(38,931 posts)
7. 9/11 was planned and executed by rational thinkers.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:32 PM
Nov 2022

"terrorism" isn't accurate for adolescent rampage shootings, at least to me. there's no overarching political goal.

it's a moot point since Crumbley pleaded guilty to it, but I'm not sure how that charge would have been proved.

Justice matters.

(9,917 posts)
3. That headline and pic should be printed on posters to stick to walls in every school.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:06 PM
Nov 2022

Plus another poster showing how boring it is to be locked up with no cellphone, no internet, no video games, no books, no teevee, ... no gun... and dubious food...

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
4. Idiot parents who gave him the gun need life without parole. . . . nt
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:13 PM
Nov 2022

FakeNoose

(41,987 posts)
8. Yep - I totally agree with that
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 04:18 PM
Nov 2022

The parents (or guardians) should be held responsible, especially when they enable the kid.

LudwigPastorius

(14,847 posts)
9. They only face 15 years max for involuntary manslaughter.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 04:19 PM
Nov 2022

2naSalit

(103,390 posts)
10. Consecutive...
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 04:36 PM
Nov 2022

Life sentences, one for each death, and no parole would be what I would demand.

purr-rat beauty

(1,307 posts)
11. such a shame - these killings are mindless
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 07:30 PM
Nov 2022

he as a human will be forgotten
his horrors remembered forever

Sancho

(9,210 posts)
12. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 08:20 PM
Nov 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Omaha Steve

(109,541 posts)
13. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Wed Nov 16, 2022, 12:24 AM
Nov 2022

Only the conviction/sentencing belongs in LBN.

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