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BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:29 PM Nov 2022

Attorney General Merrick Garland names Jack Smith special counsel in Trump criminal probes

Last edited Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: CNBC

U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland on Friday named former federal prosecutor Jack Smith as special counsel for two ongoing criminal investigations by the Department of Justice of former President Donald Trump.

Smith’s appointment came three days after Trump, a Republican, announced plans to run for president in 2024. Trump’s move directly led to Garland’s decison to appoint a special counsel, who will recommend whether criminal charges should be lodged against the ex-president.

The attorney general himself was appointed by Biden, a Democrat who defeated Trump in his 2020 re-election bid. Biden could again face Trump again in the 2024 election, although the president has not yet made a final decision on becoming a candidate.

The first investigation that Smith will begin immediately handling is looking into whether any person, including Trump, unlawfully interferred with the transfer of presidential power following the 2020 election, or the certification of the Electoral College vote in President Joe Biden’s favor on Jan. 6, 2021.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/18/attorney-general-merrick-garland-to-name-special-counsel-in-trump-criminal-probe-report-says.html



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U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland on Friday named former federal prosecutor Jack Smith as special counsel for two pending criminal investigations by the Department of Justice of former President Donald Trump.

Smith's appointment came three days after Trump, a Republican, announced plans to run for president in 2024. Trump's move directly led to Garland's decison to appoint a special counsel.

One case that Smith will handle is focused on whether Trump broke the law and obstructed justice in connection with his removal of hundreds of documents from the White House, which were shipped to his residence at Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida. The other probe is related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot by a mob of Trump supporters.

In addition to previously serving as a career DOJ prosector, Smith most recently was serving as chief prosecutor for the special court in the Hague, in the Netherlands. In that post, which he resigned to take the special counsel post, he investigated war crimes in Kosovo.


Attorney General Merrick Garland to name special counsel in Trump criminal probe, report says

U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland will appoint a special counsel to determine whether criminal charges should be filed against former President Donald Trump in connection with two pending investigations, according to reports Friday.

News of the planned appointment of the special counsel, which was reported by The Wall Street Journal, came three days after Trump announced plans to run for president in 2024. Trump faces multiple criminal investigations. NBC News reported that the special counsel, whose name has not been announced, will make decisions for two Department of Justice investigations of Trump.

One is focused on whether Trump broke the law and obstructed justice in connection with his removal of hundreds of documents from the White House, which were shipped to his residence at Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida. The other probe is related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot by a mob of Trump supporters.

Garland's appointment of a special counsel could tamp down concerns that he would have a conflict of interest if he were the one to decide whether Trump should be proecuted. The attorney general was appointed by President Joe Biden, a Democrat who defeated Trump in his 2020 re-election bid.


U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland will appoint a special counsel to determine whether criminal charges should be filed against former President Donald Trump, according to a report Friday.

News of the planned appointment of the special counsel, which was reported by The Wall Street Journal, came three days after Trump announced plans to run for president in 2024.

Garland's move could tamp down concerns that he would have a conflict of interest if he were the one to decide whether Trump should be proecuted. The attorney general was appointed by President Joe Biden, a Democrat who defeated Trump in his 2020 re-election bid.

Biden could again face Trump again in the 2024 election.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.


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Attorney General Merrick Garland names Jack Smith special counsel in Trump criminal probes (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 OP
Expect Pantagruel Nov 2022 #1
No. More like it's too far past time. blm Nov 2022 #12
actually, this is HUGE delay in the process.... getagrip_already Nov 2022 #20
I agree. Garland should just do it NOW!!! Iwasthere Nov 2022 #32
Agree. This is just kicking the can down the road to avoid making a decision IMO. old guy Nov 2022 #71
This is a good strategic move. wnylib Nov 2022 #92
A special prosecutor is good since it is BigmanPigman Nov 2022 #99
As if the TFG crowd accepts any non-partisan effort as A-O.K. with them. Keep dreaming......... machoneman Nov 2022 #122
Very true! BigmanPigman Nov 2022 #126
Yep, you go it! Garland is protecting his office and the DOJ. No decision is his 'win', for sure. machoneman Nov 2022 #123
I hope you read the posts below iemanja Nov 2022 #66
Doug Jones exboyfil Nov 2022 #2
unless its ted cruz or similar the cons will scream bloody murder certainot Nov 2022 #4
Another sh*tshow. I'm sorry. I'm furious with the stalling Bread and Circuses Nov 2022 #3
yeah this is bullshit. hopefully the Ga investigation will bear fruit soon certainot Nov 2022 #6
Garland is "stalling". You have evidence for that? brooklynite Nov 2022 #23
DOJ was shocked when Ms. Hutchinson testified before the J6 committee. gab13by13 Nov 2022 #45
Stalling is intentional delay, rather that a work pace that you disagree with. brooklynite Nov 2022 #72
They are letting the eel slip away. CivicGrief Nov 2022 #80
Yes, we do. He hired a fuckin' special counsel! As if his hand-picked grand jury can't... machoneman Nov 2022 #106
Garland literally CANNOT indict, just because he wants to. Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #109
It's not stalling. It's just the opposite. wnylib Nov 2022 #96
Good luck getting the usual suspects to comprehend that Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #110
I think that most people don't think through wnylib Nov 2022 #115
Oh, and how did Comey's step-by-step review turnout for you? Happy with the results? machoneman Nov 2022 #120
??? wnylib Nov 2022 #125
The reality now is ala' the Comey indictment, trial and jailing of TFG..oh wait, that never happened machoneman Nov 2022 #121
Wall Street Journal today Yonnie3 Nov 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author sarcasmo Nov 2022 #11
Merrick Garland is not Bill Barr.. agingdem Nov 2022 #31
No one ever said that Garland was Bill Barr gab13by13 Nov 2022 #47
I'm SURE the government is going to let you know EXACTLY what happened to TOP SECRET documents AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2022 #51
It's like some people can't grasp Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #111
we have no idea what's being done.. agingdem Nov 2022 #52
I agree. CivicGrief Nov 2022 #78
Not only don't we know what's done about TS docs Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #112
He could be worse. Why? He knows he has the goods but is fearful of the MAGATS and his legacy. machoneman Nov 2022 #124
Sorry to hear. Oathkeepers weren't seditioning on their own. blm Nov 2022 #7
Wonder if Trump announcing has made him feel this is the only way to properly handle it? Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #8
Garland stated that Trump's announcement wnylib Nov 2022 #103
Sorry. If there is no source, it didn't happen. Grasswire2 Nov 2022 #9
I'm watching the Breaking News on MSNBC as I type this. sop Nov 2022 #24
CNN, MSNBC, WSJ, Washington Post all reporting. brooklynite Nov 2022 #28
I guess we wait another two years. Lucky Luciano Nov 2022 #10
Maybe we can drag it out until the 2024 election and then, "let the voters decide". jalan48 Nov 2022 #13
You bet! GOTV. gab13by13 Nov 2022 #35
If this is accurate, it is extremely disappointing. What have they been doing for two years. JohnSJ Nov 2022 #14
You know, 18 months ago I suggested a special counsel, gab13by13 Nov 2022 #19
Well, it appears you were right. If this is accurate, Garland needs to be raked over the coals, and JohnSJ Nov 2022 #34
Fuck No, gab13by13 Nov 2022 #15
Dammit Easterncedar Nov 2022 #16
We're on the road to nowhere. CivicGrief Nov 2022 #17
Garland to Name Special Counsel to Determine Whether Trump Should Face Charges LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #18
More proof that they're just running out the clock until they all die. PSPS Nov 2022 #21
Yep. Waiting for the universe to unfold as it should. One never knows but someone out there Samrob Nov 2022 #67
So what does the wait and see crowd think of this? gab13by13 Nov 2022 #22
Curious to know as well. sop Nov 2022 #26
The Faith based folks don't worry about these things. jalan48 Nov 2022 #36
No, it's the reality based people who haven't been panicking Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #113
The evidence continues to be collected BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #39
The decision to indict a former president rests with the AG, gab13by13 Nov 2022 #50
What? BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #60
true republianmushroom Nov 2022 #75
I knew when Garland failed to indict Meadows he would not go after the top brass. gab13by13 Nov 2022 #25
I've been patient and supportive of AG Garland tishaLA Nov 2022 #27
Cop-out and cowardly, IMHO. hlthe2b Nov 2022 #29
Post removed Post removed Nov 2022 #40
add mine to that. iemanja Nov 2022 #64
I fully agree with you. (nt) Paladin Nov 2022 #68
"Tamp down concerns that he would have a conflict of interest"? Iwasthere Nov 2022 #30
What conflict of interest? sop Nov 2022 #37
Just as long as its not Mueller kimbutgar Nov 2022 #33
I hope Syd Powell and John Eastman aren't on the short list. gab13by13 Nov 2022 #41
That would be ghastly and hopefully not likely kimbutgar Nov 2022 #46
Bullshit Durham needs a job Ponietz Nov 2022 #59
It does seem like if this decision has been made it should have happened a while ago. Tomconroy Nov 2022 #38
I think what happened BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #54
Geoffrey Berman, former US Attorney at SDNY, might be a good suggestion FakeNoose Nov 2022 #42
Why does the SC have to be acceptable to the Magats gab13by13 Nov 2022 #55
He doesn't FakeNoose Nov 2022 #70
Am i disappointed? YES, but bluestarone Nov 2022 #43
I'm disappointed. vlyons Nov 2022 #44
One thing for sure Grimelle Nov 2022 #48
Tee up the football again, Lucy. sop Nov 2022 #49
Sigh happy feet Nov 2022 #53
WE WILL NEVER SEE JUSTICE Novara Nov 2022 #56
Choosing a special council "is an action" of sorts. Prairie_Seagull Nov 2022 #57
Merrick Garland is the biggest disappoinment ever, just sold our Democracy down the river. lark Nov 2022 #58
Joseph R. Biden, President brooklynite Nov 2022 #73
Yeah, I have a temper sometimes and pop off. lark Nov 2022 #79
"Just hope this Smith guy isn't a Repug apologist " brooklynite Nov 2022 #81
Garland didn't address the matter responsibly by not jumping on it. lark Nov 2022 #118
Which would make exacly what difference? dpibel Nov 2022 #83
Not stopping anyone from commenting as they see fit. brooklynite Nov 2022 #85
Oh, for sure dpibel Nov 2022 #87
Maybe in the future we should support females Attorney Generals, they're Dan Nov 2022 #61
Damn right. Novara Nov 2022 #63
I'm seeing the same thing. The women are standing up. Sally Yates would be a good choice. jalan48 Nov 2022 #65
I don't have anything favorable to say about this. iemanja Nov 2022 #62
Okay, Garland has convinced me. Seriously. ancianita Nov 2022 #69
after 20 months this announcement republianmushroom Nov 2022 #74
Maybe it will be a very special counsel... Harker Nov 2022 #76
Yeah, like Mueller! orangecrush Nov 2022 #95
Must be the former Federal Prosecutor from Nashville... Historic NY Nov 2022 #77
Indict already! James48 Nov 2022 #82
Kick & highly recommended. William769 Nov 2022 #84
Mierda! Garland does not have the ganas to indict, arrest El criminal RestoreAmerica2020 Nov 2022 #86
Ugh! I see more delays mysteryowl Nov 2022 #88
At least it's not the Jack Smith bagimin Nov 2022 #89
Garland punts. Lasher Nov 2022 #90
What a shitshow. Mr. Evil Nov 2022 #91
It's Mueller time! orangecrush Nov 2022 #93
Since hd specializes in war crimes, Darth & W come to mind. SheltieLover Nov 2022 #94
Well, I HOPE this means something. calimary Nov 2022 #97
Wow ... go off line for a few hours and Bam! ...In turbulent times not unexpected. Idk how I... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #98
This guy (vs the individual US Attorneys) BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #100
Ah, ok. Ty (I'll still take a look later) ... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #104
It seems that some people do think that BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #107
Trump will try to pardon himself noahx Nov 2022 #101
Jack Smith Conjuay Nov 2022 #102
Bullshit move to delay any indictment and protect no one but Garland. We should have... machoneman Nov 2022 #105
Mahalo, BRDS! & AG Garland!! nt Cha Nov 2022 #108
20 seconds after this announcement, Kevin McCarthy was... LudwigPastorius Nov 2022 #114
Trump explodes at special counsel appointment: 'I am not going to partake in it' Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2022 #116
Ooh, drumphf. You Poor, Poooor Besieged "Victim"... electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #117
I have a feeling this SP Jack is going to be alot tougher onetexan Nov 2022 #119

getagrip_already

(14,864 posts)
20. actually, this is HUGE delay in the process....
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:44 PM
Nov 2022

First, he has to name the SP. then the SP has to choose staff, and office decorations, have holiday parties, and then begin from square 1.

Even a quick review of available eidence will take months. Then they will have to decide on what charges they may want to pursue, forma GJ, and bring witnesses in.

This is a year long process. Half a garland unit at a minimum.

And then guess what? It will be the heitht of the presidential election season.

This is a disaster to anyone who wants to see an indictment.

wnylib

(21,645 posts)
92. This is a good strategic move.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:47 PM
Nov 2022

The special prosecutor is not a cabinet member, so it puts political distance between Biden and his administration and the prosecution of charges.

This is a special prosecutor, not only an investigator. It looks to me like Garland has his prosecutorial evidence, expects indictments, and is ready to turn it over to someone to handle the actual prosecution in order to distance himself from the inevitable complaints of political bias.

The MAGAs will still claim that it's all politics, but with a special prosecutor in charge, the MAGA complaints will not hold up in court filings, which you can be sure Trump will make when he is indicted.

This move tells me that Garland is very serious about prosecuting the crimes and has taken a step to be sure that Trump's announcement of his intention to run will not stop indictments.





BigmanPigman

(51,638 posts)
99. A special prosecutor is good since it is
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:22 PM
Nov 2022

Non-partisan, fully funded, relatively quick and they can 't be derailed by the GQP. Peter Strzok from the FBI said that he thinks the prosecutor will be able to get going in only a few days, no real delay. Seems like a good move to me.

Bread and Circuses

(133 posts)
3. Another sh*tshow. I'm sorry. I'm furious with the stalling
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:34 PM
Nov 2022

Just indict the OrangeSlob already!
Enough.

Evidence from Jan 6 committee....what use was that if it's not being used?

What evidence does DOJ have and why haven't they acted?

No more special counsels, they don't want to do the dirty work of indicting Trump.
That's the job of the AG .

We F@cking need Robert F. Kennedy serving as AG. May he rest in peace.
He didn't take any crap from the southern racists.

gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
45. DOJ was shocked when Ms. Hutchinson testified before the J6 committee.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:02 PM
Nov 2022

The J6 committee has been 2 steps ahead of DOJ the whole time.

Failure to indict "individual one" and the 10 other obstruction of justice crimes which the statute of limitations has expired.
Failure to prosecute the Cyber Ninjas.

brooklynite

(94,757 posts)
72. Stalling is intentional delay, rather that a work pace that you disagree with.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:38 PM
Nov 2022

Still waiting for evidence.

CivicGrief

(147 posts)
80. They are letting the eel slip away.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:01 PM
Nov 2022

This is mainly a forum of opinions, and it is not too far a stretch to see that kid gloves are being used on tfg. So far, he has gotten away with making a mockery of tradition, institutions, and the law. What else do you need to be concerned about where this is going?

Apologies to eels.

machoneman

(4,012 posts)
106. Yes, we do. He hired a fuckin' special counsel! As if his hand-picked grand jury can't...
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:48 PM
Nov 2022

Last edited Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:20 AM - Edit history (2)

find enough evidence to indict the fat slob. Bullshit I say.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
109. Garland literally CANNOT indict, just because he wants to.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 07:04 PM
Nov 2022

Only a grand jury can indict.

This is the way it's always been.

I don't know where some of you get your ideas about how the federal judicial system works, but it's way out in the land of not-reality.

wnylib

(21,645 posts)
96. It's not stalling. It's just the opposite.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:56 PM
Nov 2022

Garland is making sure that indictments and prosecution will proceed based on the evidence despite Trump's announcement of his candidacy.

Trump will claim political interference when he is indicted. He already makes that claim. But when he tries to go to court with that complaint (which we know that he will do), his complaint will be weak since it will not be Biden or his administration prosecuting Trump.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
110. Good luck getting the usual suspects to comprehend that
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 07:07 PM
Nov 2022

Reality is tough for way too many people in this country.

wnylib

(21,645 posts)
115. I think that most people don't think through
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 09:18 PM
Nov 2022

how the details play out, step by step to create a larger picture and goal. They zero in on a goal that they want to see accomplished and have an oversimplified idea of how it is carried out.

wnylib

(21,645 posts)
125. ???
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:06 PM
Nov 2022

Apples and oranges.

Comey had no grounds for charges against Hillary and admitted to that. But he did have a political ax to grind as a Republican who opposed Hillary and lacked objectivity. I know Obama said that he didn't hold Comey responsible for the re-investigation right before the election, but I do.

Obama said that pressure from Republican leaders on Comey to release a new statement on Hillary accounted for his action. If Comey didn't go public, Republican party leaders would. But Comey could have come forward himself with a statement of attempts to coerce him to release info for political reasons. He could have spoken about "new" e-mails, which turned out to be mostly duplicates of ones already examind, in a broader context.

While I deplore Trump's tactics, I think karma caught up with Comey when he was fired. He played the political game, especially at the end of the campaign, and then seemed surprised later that, once his soul was sold, he could not buy it back or maintain independence from Trump after having served him so well in getting him elected.

Yes, I am assuming motives about HOW Comey reported on the reopening of the investigation. That's because I read his book, which I took out from the library because I would not spend money on it. He came across to me as an insufferable self-serving, self-praising, and egotistical opportunist.

But what has that got to do with Garland appointing a special prosecutor in the Trump investigations? Hillary's e-mails were basically trumped up - literally "trumped" - political theater. OTOH, we have seen with our own eyes what Trump did on J6 and have learned from the J6 committee how he and others planned it. And we know that Trump stole classified documents and stored them in an unsecured location.

So, what remains is tying Trump's specific actions to specific criminal laws, with documentation and testimony that will hold up in court. Garland supervises several departments as AG. So, his appointment of a special prosecutor to work on nothing but the Trump cases should speed things up. A grand jury has already been reviewing evidence before Smith's appointment. I expect to see at least one indictment, and maybe more, by June, or before that.




machoneman

(4,012 posts)
121. The reality now is ala' the Comey indictment, trial and jailing of TFG..oh wait, that never happened
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:25 AM
Nov 2022

either now did it? How soon that reality for many people, even here, forget.

Seems Garland is following the same path. Without an air-tight 100% guaranteed case, it seems like he'll punt just like James Comey did. Sad indeed. Prove me wrong Garland, I dare you!

Yonnie3

(17,497 posts)
5. Wall Street Journal today
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:34 PM
Nov 2022
https://www.wsj.com/articles/garland-to-name-special-counsel-to-determine-whether-trump-should-face-charges-11668796152

WASHINGTON–Attorney General Merrick Garland will appoint a special counsel to determine whether former President Donald Trump should face charges stemming from Justice Department probes, according to a person familiar with the matter.

A formal announcement, which is expected by Friday afternoon, would come three days after Mr. Trump announced another bid for the presidency and would mark the naming of the third independent prosecutor in five years to examine issues involving Mr. Trump. The exact scope of the special counsel’s remit and who it would be couldn’t be determined.

(More to come)


ON EDIT:

I note that the WSJ article is being updated. Follow link to see updated story.

Response to Yonnie3 (Reply #5)

agingdem

(7,863 posts)
31. Merrick Garland is not Bill Barr..
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:49 PM
Nov 2022

and it's not a "whether he will be charged", the special counsel's brief is narrowing down the specific charge/charges..this woulda/coulda/shoulda crap is the Wall Street Journal making an assumption...

Barr bullied a malleable Mueller..Garland is letting the Trump know he can announce his run every damn day of the week..he's still in Garland's sights...

gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
47. No one ever said that Garland was Bill Barr
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:05 PM
Nov 2022

nor does anyone want him to be.

What is being done to find the missing top secret documents that are still out there.

Christopher Wray lied to Congress about J6 and nothing has been done to him.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,087 posts)
51. I'm SURE the government is going to let you know EXACTLY what happened to TOP SECRET documents
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:08 PM
Nov 2022

Apparently you don't know what "Top Secret" means.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
111. It's like some people can't grasp
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 07:09 PM
Nov 2022

That anything involving the handling of TOP SECRET documents would not be discussed in public. Because that would, you know, defeat the purpose of TOP SECRET classification.

But try to get that through to people bound and determined not to grasp the obvious.

agingdem

(7,863 posts)
52. we have no idea what's being done..
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:09 PM
Nov 2022

this DOJ doesn't leak...and it's up to Joe Biden to fire Wray and do it soon...I wouldn't have a problem if he canned Jeremy Powell as well.

CivicGrief

(147 posts)
78. I agree.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:54 PM
Nov 2022

I'm sick of the fear about what Republicans think. But, of course, this really is the fear of how the corporate media will spin this and attack Democrats. At this point, who gives a shit? The deck is already stacked against Democrats. Maybe some forceful decisions could change the perception of weakness. But, but, but . . . But what?

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
112. Not only don't we know what's done about TS docs
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 07:10 PM
Nov 2022

We WILL NOT know what becomes of that.

Do people not understand how TS works?

At all?

blm

(113,102 posts)
7. Sorry to hear. Oathkeepers weren't seditioning on their own.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:35 PM
Nov 2022

And those classified documents didn’t ship themselves to Trump’s house.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. Wonder if Trump announcing has made him feel this is the only way to properly handle it?
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:36 PM
Nov 2022

How I feel about it will depend a lot on who is chosen to conduct it, and whether scope and funding are appropriate.

wnylib

(21,645 posts)
103. Garland stated that Trump's announcement
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:40 PM
Nov 2022

was the reason for appointing Jack Smith as special prosecutor.

Here is Smith's background. He is well qualified.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Smith_(lawyer)

JohnSJ

(92,433 posts)
14. If this is accurate, it is extremely disappointing. What have they been doing for two years.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:40 PM
Nov 2022

I will will until after the Georgia runoff, but if this is how Garland “goes after trump”, he should resign.

He is afraid of being accused of “conflict of interest” according to the article.

What he should be afraid of is being an incompetent AG


gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
19. You know, 18 months ago I suggested a special counsel,
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:44 PM
Nov 2022

and I was criticized; 1. Garland can handle this. 2. A special counsel will take too long to hold Trump accountable.

This is extremely frustrating news.

Now a Trump trial can't happen until 2026 - 2027.

I hope this is just something additional to guard against Magats winning in 2024.

JohnSJ

(92,433 posts)
34. Well, it appears you were right. If this is accurate, Garland needs to be raked over the coals, and
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:51 PM
Nov 2022

I think he will

The first question asked will be, what have you been doing for the last two years?

There is no excuse for this

Mueller was a waste of time, and so will this be, and when this happens again, and it will, I will lay the blame squarely at the door of the DOJ

Shame on them

gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
15. Fuck No,
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:40 PM
Nov 2022

18 months ago was the time to appoint a special counsel.

Garland doesn't have the stones, Go get em Fani.

Easterncedar

(2,337 posts)
16. Dammit
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:41 PM
Nov 2022

Way to dodge the responsibility.

And Kyle Rittenhouse gets invited to the Capitol.

And MBS is declared immune.

My young self who believed in justice is stone cold dead.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
67. Yep. Waiting for the universe to unfold as it should. One never knows but someone out there
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:24 PM
Nov 2022

is getting pissed off.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
113. No, it's the reality based people who haven't been panicking
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 07:18 PM
Nov 2022

About what Garland has been up to. Those of us with experience dealing with the legal system aren't surprised at all that it's taking so long.

THIS IS HOW THE LEGAL SYSTEM OPERATES, way too often.

Maybe if you'd been a victim of a crime, like I was, you'd know just how tortuously slow the system works. And, yes, my case ended up being federal because the perps crossed state lines to commit their crimes. I had already waited 18 very long months to get even that plea deal. It would have been another year--at a MINIMUM--if I'd refused to accept it and insisted on my day in court. That MINIMUM 1-year wait, on top of the 18 months I'd already slogged through, was the reason I agreed to the plea deal. I needed the closure. I needed to be able to move on with my life.

That's why people like me aren't surprised at all at the glacial pace things have moved at. I expected it to take that long. Because it almost always does take that long. That's called REALITY, and facing it.

So now how do we classify the usual people running around like Chicken Littles thinking the sky's falling?

BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
39. The evidence continues to be collected
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:55 PM
Nov 2022

so this shouldn't really change anything except for who will take more direct charge of the investigations instead of Garland, who some on DU think is the SOLE employee of DOJ (which in reality has 115,000 personnel) -

gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
50. The decision to indict a former president rests with the AG,
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:08 PM
Nov 2022

it has never been about the evidence, the evidence is there for numerous crimes.

gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
25. I knew when Garland failed to indict Meadows he would not go after the top brass.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:48 PM
Nov 2022

Will Bill Barr be the special counsel?

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
27. I've been patient and supportive of AG Garland
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:49 PM
Nov 2022

But this has me at the end of my tether. If he was going to do this, he should have done it months ago because it's not like whatshisname was making a secret of his intentions.

hlthe2b

(102,405 posts)
29. Cop-out and cowardly, IMHO.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:49 PM
Nov 2022

I hoped desperately for more from Garland. He ultimately is not extricating himself from decisions nor from political accusations since he will ultimately oversee any chosen Special Prosecutor.

I respect Garland (and no this is criticism, not an attack on a prominent Democrat for those who take offense AND I have defended him for months now) but I join Laurence Tribe, Steve Vladeck, Andrew Weissman and many many more in registering my disgust.

Response to hlthe2b (Reply #29)

Iwasthere

(3,171 posts)
30. "Tamp down concerns that he would have a conflict of interest"?
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:49 PM
Nov 2022

Wait, WTF? GUTLESS AG. Step up Garland. Just do it. JESUS FUCKI!G CHRIST!! I cant6take much more of this. Tempted to move to a small island 1000s of miles away for awhile

sop

(10,274 posts)
37. What conflict of interest?
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:53 PM
Nov 2022

Since when it is a conflict of interest for the DOJ to prosecute crime? What a crock!

kimbutgar

(21,215 posts)
33. Just as long as its not Mueller
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:51 PM
Nov 2022

I hope Garland picks a real bull dog no bull shitter to go after the orange maggot.

BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
54. I think what happened
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:09 PM
Nov 2022

is that this thing got complex real fast (the NARA documents issue being the latest), and thus it needed a "dedicated" person to oversee the multiple investigations and not the AG directly.

You still have -

  • Russia/foreign money probe
    (that is still bubbling... I literally just saw this early this morning) -


    GOP operative convicted in scheme to funnel Russian money into Trump campaign


    Shawna Chen

    Photo of Jesse Benton speaking

    Jesse Benton, spokesperson for the Ron Paul campaign, speaking to reporters on Jan. 1, 2012. Photo: Robert Daemmrich Photography Inc/Corbis via Getty Images

    A former senior aide to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was convicted Thursday after being found guilty of helping to funnel illegal foreign campaign contributions from a Russian national into former President Trump's 2016 campaign.

    Driving the news: Jessie Benton, 45, orchestrated a scheme to conceal the illegal foreign donation with another GOP operative, per the Justice Department. Benton, the husband of Paul's niece and a veteran Republican staffer, faces up to 20 years in prison. His attorney told the Washington Post Benton "maintains his innocence and plans to appeal."

    (snip)

    https://www.axios.com/2022/11/18/trump-campaign-jesse-benton-russia


  • Efforts to overturn the election (with multiple working parts)

    --Calls to state officials to change votes
    --Fake Electors
    --Attempts to influence the VP


  • January 6 insurrection

  • NARA classified documents mishandling
  • FakeNoose

    (32,791 posts)
    42. Geoffrey Berman, former US Attorney at SDNY, might be a good suggestion
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:58 PM
    Nov 2022

    He might be acceptable to the GOP, but I don't believe he'd accommodate any bullshit from the MAGAt crowd.

    bluestarone

    (17,062 posts)
    43. Am i disappointed? YES, but
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:59 PM
    Nov 2022

    I will hold back until i see exactly who is CHOSEN special counsel. THEN i will decide how i feel about this.

    vlyons

    (10,252 posts)
    44. I'm disappointed.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:01 PM
    Nov 2022

    Overly careful and cautious seems more like foot dragging to me. I guess I should see it as an opportunity to practice patience. Frankly, my patience with Garland has long past run its course.

    happy feet

    (871 posts)
    53. Sigh
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:09 PM
    Nov 2022

    So sick of bending over backwards to try to satisfy the right that Trump investigations are not politically motivated. NOTHING will satisfy them. It feels like running again and again into a brick wall to try to appease the un appeasable. Garland has the facts and law...but, you know,

    Another two years, Trump gets re elected and you know the drill.

    He's admitted to stealing the documents....what more does one need? Meanwhile, TFG STIILL has more stolen documents.

    and unarmed black people still get killed by police for "being black"...police serve as judge, jury and executioner. TFG has the smoking gun in his hand and we can't even get an indictment.

    Sorry for the rant. I'm just sick to my stomach at the injustice of it all. The scales of justice totally bend in favor of the rich and powerful.

    Novara

    (5,853 posts)
    56. WE WILL NEVER SEE JUSTICE
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:14 PM
    Nov 2022

    This motherfucker will get away with everything and he will steal 2024.

    Goodbye democracy.

    Prairie_Seagull

    (3,339 posts)
    57. Choosing a special council "is an action" of sorts.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:17 PM
    Nov 2022

    Certainly does not make him look less guilty. I agree with above that it should have happened before. It is running now and the last thing we want is for this to seem political. Think of the money it could raise if he could seem a martyr to the man.

    lark

    (23,160 posts)
    58. Merrick Garland is the biggest disappoinment ever, just sold our Democracy down the river.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:17 PM
    Nov 2022

    Who will be responsible for not protecting us and for turning us over to a right wing cabal who will destroy us - Garland!

    WORST, MOVST DANGEROUS MOVE TO OUR COUNTRY BY A DEMOCRAT - EVER!





    brooklynite

    (94,757 posts)
    73. Joseph R. Biden, President
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:41 PM
    Nov 2022

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20500

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

    Let us know when you've shared your outrage with his boss.

    lark

    (23,160 posts)
    79. Yeah, I have a temper sometimes and pop off.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:57 PM
    Nov 2022

    Biden can't stop it and he certainly wouldn't fire him. Actually, upon actual reflection instead of pure reaction at the delay, I can see why he thought he it had to be done. Pisses me off big time that he let tfg outmaneuver (love spellcheck) him and didn't move faster. But, whatever, done is done. Just hope this Smith guy isn't a Repug apologist like Mueller. He was an enormous disappointment and Smith has to do better or this country is dead as we know it.

    brooklynite

    (94,757 posts)
    81. "Just hope this Smith guy isn't a Repug apologist "
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:03 PM
    Nov 2022

    Again, you seem to be saying that Garland can't or WON'T address the matter responsibly and pick someone competent.

    lark

    (23,160 posts)
    118. Garland didn't address the matter responsibly by not jumping on it.
    Sat Nov 19, 2022, 09:41 AM
    Nov 2022

    He dithered and dithered and did nothing until the J6 committee shamed him into action. If he had jumped on it with both feet immediately, there would already be a decision before asshole committed. In fact, it's like Garland was waiting for that. SMDH!

    It's not competence, it's political leanings. Does Smith think this is an existential moment or does he think what's been done is ok? If he's a secret right winger, or listens to right wingers, this will definitely be slow walked and he will find a way not to prosecute.

    Garland did this for no gain for him or the Justice Dept. He got no cover and stalled an investigation already significantly underway. He also retained approval rights for any indictment. I get he thought he should do this, and it was what he needed to do, but these half measures serve no one but injustice.

    dpibel

    (2,873 posts)
    83. Which would make exacly what difference?
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:07 PM
    Nov 2022

    Is this, like, your approved ticket to express an opinion?

    "First, you must write to the President. Then you may express dismay on DU."

    brooklynite

    (94,757 posts)
    85. Not stopping anyone from commenting as they see fit.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:09 PM
    Nov 2022

    I'm equally allowed to comment on pointless angry rants.

    Dan

    (3,582 posts)
    61. Maybe in the future we should support females Attorney Generals, they're
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:19 PM
    Nov 2022

    The only ones with balls to do the job.

    Novara

    (5,853 posts)
    63. Damn right.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:21 PM
    Nov 2022

    Appoint Black women. They're the ONLY ones willing to go after the obvious criminality.

    ancianita

    (36,146 posts)
    69. Okay, Garland has convinced me. Seriously.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:25 PM
    Nov 2022

    Special Counsel will stand as a firewall for the DOJ.

    If you listen to Maddow's ULTRA, you can see how the guilty powerful have derailed and terminated justice against their seditions. The DOJ might be tougher than those past, but that doesn't mean the fact free "impeacher pack" won't be out there bullying the DOJ as it has in the past.

    So Garland's move is a good thing.

    Harker

    (14,049 posts)
    76. Maybe it will be a very special counsel...
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:44 PM
    Nov 2022

    One that briskly reviews the mountain of evidence, and says, "we're good to go."

    Historic NY

    (37,453 posts)
    77. Must be the former Federal Prosecutor from Nashville...
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:48 PM
    Nov 2022

    Must be this guy

    Smith has been with the department 16 years, including five years as chief of the Public Integrity Section in Washington, D.C., before coming to Nashville in 2015.

    While working in Washington, Smith oversaw the corruption cases against former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, former Arizona U.S. Rep. Rick Renzi and New York Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver. Convictions against McDonnell and Silver were later overturned.


    [link:https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/08/04/jack-smith-resigns-nashville-federal-prosecutors-office/540429001/|]

    James48

    (4,443 posts)
    82. Indict already!
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:03 PM
    Nov 2022

    I thought there were multiple grand juries already hearing evidence to produce the indictments. What happened?

    RestoreAmerica2020

    (3,439 posts)
    86. Mierda! Garland does not have the ganas to indict, arrest El criminal
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:11 PM
    Nov 2022

    .. malfeacence on Garland's part! He should resign bc he lied to the American public ..said, he'd follow that facts, that no one is above the law. The facts have been laid out, supported by evidence, what else does he need!

    Garland was not ready on day one, there seemed to be a learning curve to manage over 100,000 employees, approx 40B budget-& a fine career judge he must have been, a professional prosecutor he seemingly is not. Thanks Garland for kicking this can down the mountain..now SC will have to revisit the entire frcking case, evidence, witnesses. Aye, que cobarde! So ffg s given a reprieve--isn't that a wonderful Xmas "gift" for the rule of law.

    Note: something I read early on about Garland revealed his stance..read that he has attended 10 out of 11 Federalist Society events-- imo thought he could not possible support Biden's admin., apply the rule of law..feel like when NY AG Bragg..dismissed case against trump when two prosecutors resigned saying there was enough evidence to indict the ffg. Anyway.. we know how Muellar investigation turned out.. nada!



    Translation
    Ganas: wherewithall; slang: balls
    El criminal aka odious traitor#45
    Cobarde:







    mysteryowl

    (7,398 posts)
    88. Ugh! I see more delays
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:33 PM
    Nov 2022

    What a bummer.

    The DOJ needs to take action vs more research.

    I don't like this at all.

    Mr. Evil

    (2,856 posts)
    91. What a shitshow.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:45 PM
    Nov 2022

    Garland needs someone else to decide whether to press charges against TFG!? He's the fucking attorney general for crying out loud! And then he waits this long to do it!?

    calimary

    (81,521 posts)
    97. Well, I HOPE this means something.
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:01 PM
    Nov 2022

    But we’ve been down this road before.

    And maybe it’s because we’ve never been up against a foe as slippery, sneaky, and devious as the donald. We’re out there carefully playing by the rules, but we’re playing against a guy who doesn’t even acknowledge that there ARE rules. And if he did, he’d state that no rules apply to him.

    Seems to me we need more folks on our side thinking OUTSIDE the proverbial box. When one side plays carefully and meticulously by the rules, and the other side doesn’t (and this other side doesn’t even acknowledge that there ARE any rules - certainly none that apply to him), then maybe we need to revise our playbook.

    To have the “fair play” we all seem to want (or say we want), that means both sides have to recognize and comply with the playbook, and accept that the rules apply across the board, with NO exceptions. Since we don’t have that dynamic in play, it doesn’t make sense to play on what was previously accepted as a level playing field. Because there ISN’T ANY!!! And if there were, our team would be alone out there trying to play on it. And the other side would be out in the parking lot, slashing all our tires.

    electric_blue68

    (14,955 posts)
    98. Wow ... go off line for a few hours and Bam! ...In turbulent times not unexpected. Idk how I...
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:01 PM
    Nov 2022

    feel about this just yet. 🤔

    BumRushDaShow

    (129,608 posts)
    100. This guy (vs the individual US Attorneys)
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:27 PM
    Nov 2022

    will be taking the evidence collected the past 2 years, and would be doing (or directing) the actual prosecutions when the time comes.

    People are fantasizing that Merrick Garland is the one who goes into hundreds of coutrooms and personally argues cases in front of a judge.

    electric_blue68

    (14,955 posts)
    104. Ah, ok. Ty (I'll still take a look later) ...
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:42 PM
    Nov 2022

    you are being ? facetious about some people thinking AG Garland is going to argue the case, right?

    BumRushDaShow

    (129,608 posts)
    107. It seems that some people do think that
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:55 PM
    Nov 2022

    but hopefully the legal pundits on teevee will explain this whole process better.

    All I know is that at 6:30 pm EST tonight, I am expected to be sitting in a movie theater getting ready to watch "Wakanda Forever".

    machoneman

    (4,012 posts)
    105. Bullshit move to delay any indictment and protect no one but Garland. We should have...
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 05:46 PM
    Nov 2022

    expected such a weasel move after Comey!

    Want a delay:? In business, start a committee. In criminal matters, hire a special counsel.

    Bullshit all the way through!

    LudwigPastorius

    (9,190 posts)
    114. 20 seconds after this announcement, Kevin McCarthy was...
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 08:32 PM
    Nov 2022

    on the phone to his minions ordering them to begin drawing up impeachment articles against Jack Smith.

    Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

    (108,273 posts)
    116. Trump explodes at special counsel appointment: 'I am not going to partake in it'
    Fri Nov 18, 2022, 09:35 PM
    Nov 2022

    Former President Trump on Friday blasted the Justice Department’s appointment of a special counsel to oversee its probes on him, saying he would not “partake” in the investigations.

    Trump, in an interview with Fox News Digital, suggested the appointment of a special counsel was politically motivated, despite Attorney General Merrick Garland saying he was making the announcement in an effort to ensure independence around Trump-related probes ahead of a possible 2024 rematch with President Biden.

    “I have been going through this for six years — for six years I have been going through this, and I am not going to go through it anymore,” Trump said. “And I hope the Republicans have the courage to fight this.”

    “I am not going to partake in it,” Trump added. “I’m not going to partake in this.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-explodes-special-counsel-appointment-214319874.html

    onetexan

    (13,066 posts)
    119. I have a feeling this SP Jack is going to be alot tougher
    Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:03 AM
    Nov 2022

    Than Garland, and why he's borrowing Smith's fierceful & forceful hand to strike the blow.

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