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BumRushDaShow

(169,757 posts)
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 04:35 PM Nov 2022

House committee receives Donald Trump's federal tax returns from IRS

Last edited Wed Nov 30, 2022, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: CNN Politics

CNN — The House Ways and Means Committee now has six years of Donald Trump’s federal tax returns, ending a yearslong pursuit by Democrats to dig into one of the former president’s most closely guarded personal details, the Treasury Department confirmed. Treasury has complied with last week’s court decision,” a Treasury spokesperson told CNN on Wednesday. The Supreme Court declined last week to intervene after courts said the House had power to request the returns from the IRS.

The committee, led by Democratic Rep. Richard Neal of Massachusetts, had sought six years of Trump’s tax records, primarily from the time he served as president. That included records about both Trump personally and several of his corporate entities. The documents are not expected to be immediately released to the public. Neal said Wednesday that Democrats would meet as a caucus to discuss how to handle the tax returns and get legal advice on how to proceed.

Such a meeting, though, hasn’t been scheduled yet, he said. The congressman declined to say if they would release any of the returns publicly. “The next step is to have a meeting of the Democratic caucus,” he said. Trump’s legal team had continuously sought to keep his returns secret, and turned to the Supreme Court – composed of three of his nominees – after he lost at the lower court level. “No Congress has ever wielded its legislative powers to demand a President’s tax returns,” Trump argued to the Supreme Court, as he warned of the “far-reaching implications” implications of the DC Circuit’s ruling.

He had argued that that the way lower courts approached the House request ran afoul of the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Mazars case, concerning a subpoena that the House issued Trump’s accounting firm for his tax information. Trump’s taxes have been largely a mystery since he first ran for office. During his 2016 campaign, the Trump broke with presidential election norms and refused to produce his tax returns for public review, and they remained private after he took office.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/30/politics/house-ways-and-means-committee-now-has-donald-trumps-federal-tax-returns/index.html



Article updated.

Original article -

CNN — The House Ways and Means Committee now has six years of Donald Trump’s federal tax returns, ending a yearslong pursuit by Democrats to dig into one of the former president’s most closely guarded personal details.

The Treasury Department has complied with last week’s court order to hand over the documents, a spokesperson from the Treasury Department confirmed to CNN on Wednesday.

The Supreme Court declined last week to intervene after courts said the House had power to request the returns from the IRS.

The committee, led by Democrat Richard Neal, had sought six years of Trump’s tax records, primarily from the time he served as president. That included records about both Trump personally and several of his corporate entities. The documents are not expected to be immediately released to the public.



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House committee receives Donald Trump's federal tax returns from IRS (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 OP
Goodie. FalloutShelter Nov 2022 #1
Smiling sheshe2 Nov 2022 #2
They need to figure out how Trump used loopholes and fraud to avoid paying taxes, and Lonestarblue Nov 2022 #3
His primary business is in trial right now BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #5
Watch the documentary "Active Measures" canuckledragger Nov 2022 #17
I've always thought he was a Russian asset. It's too bad it's so hard to prove. Lonestarblue Nov 2022 #18
It's not supposed to be hard to prove Slammer Dec 2022 #27
Congress wrote those laws. They already know how they work MichMan Dec 2022 #26
They have to do something with it before the GOP takes over. DavidDvorkin Nov 2022 #4
Congress is not a prosecutorial body BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #6
I should have been clearer DavidDvorkin Nov 2022 #12
I doubt they were handed the originals BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #13
The fact that 6103 explicitly grants the Ways and Means Committee... joshcryer Nov 2022 #19
That's how that crew has rolled BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #20
The House requested them in 2019. former9thward Nov 2022 #22
Doh, you're right, I think the 6 years... joshcryer Nov 2022 #23
I would hope that legislation would include all judges at the federal level on up cstanleytech Nov 2022 #24
Both congressional chambers had similar legislataion for the courts BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #28
Well I guess they're not "under audit" anymore (fucking 6 years later...) n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 2022 #7
Funny how quick his cultists went from "under audit!!" to "Its none of your business!" oldsoftie Nov 2022 #9
He lied Evolve Dammit Nov 2022 #14
The returns of every President are required to be audited every year. former9thward Nov 2022 #21
that was 6+ years ago. Audit's done I would HTC. Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #31
they have learned that not only is it OK to lie, but necessary to get in front of any issue? nt Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #30
about time republianmushroom Nov 2022 #8
Hope they are marked "top secret". twodogsbarking Nov 2022 #10
I hope they get leaked to Rachel Maddow. OneCrazyDiamond Nov 2022 #11
"Congress is not a prosecutorial body" J_William_Ryan Nov 2022 #15
Congressfolk can. Igel Nov 2022 #16
I hope the Orange Fat Dope is losing sleep now that someone else has his financial info. ificandream Nov 2022 #25
They better be careful. They could pee themselves laughing. twodogsbarking Dec 2022 #29

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
3. They need to figure out how Trump used loopholes and fraud to avoid paying taxes, and
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 04:46 PM
Nov 2022

then close those loopholes. US real estate—actually real estate in the UK and probably elsewhere—has been a big money launderer for Russian oligarchs and crime bosses everywhere. It would be nice to uncover the tactics they use.

BumRushDaShow

(169,757 posts)
5. His primary business is in trial right now
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 04:59 PM
Nov 2022

and Allen Weisselberg has apparently described some of what was done with that (case is winding down)...

Key allegations, witnesses as Trump Org. trial winds down


By MICHAEL R. SISAK
today


NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Donald Trump’s inaugural address clocked in at just 16 minutes. Closing arguments that are slated for Thursday in his company’s criminal tax fraud case? Prosecutors and defense lawyers say those could take seven hours or more.

Those projections speak to the complexity of the case, which stems from longtime Trump Organization finance chief Allen Weisselberg’s 15-year scheme to avoid taxes on company-paid perks including an apartment and luxury cars. The speeches are a chance to recap key witnesses and evidence before the jury deliberates next week. Prosecutors said they might spend four or five hours summarizing the case. Defense lawyers said they’ll likely need at least three hours.

Seven witnesses testified, chief among them Weisselberg, who pleaded guilty in August to dodging taxes on $1.7 million in extras. Prosecutors charged the company because it said Weisselberg was a “high managerial agent” acting on its behalf and that it also benefitted from his scheme.

Trump Organization lawyers argue Weisselberg acted on his own, without Trump or the Trump family’s knowledge. If anything, they said, the company’s accountant should’ve caught any fraud. Trump is not charged. If convicted, his company could be fined more than $1 million.

(snip)

https://apnews.com/article/business-new-york-donald-trump-government-and-politics-417b5aca881b804e89c2d33a7a1059b2
 

canuckledragger

(1,992 posts)
17. Watch the documentary "Active Measures"
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 07:17 PM
Nov 2022

They discuss some of the methods the Russians used to launder money via Trump properties.

...and reveil that Trump's been a Russian asset for decades.

Slammer

(714 posts)
27. It's not supposed to be hard to prove
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 03:10 AM
Dec 2022

The law says the head of the IRS hands over the records to the committee when the committee asks for them. The law didn't give him any options other than handing over the records when asked.

The law also says that the members of the committee can't share the contents of those records with the press or with other congressmen who aren't on that committee.

The thing to do, in my personal opinion, would be for the Justice Department to prosecute that head of the IRS who refused to follow the law when the committee first asked for the records years ago.

BumRushDaShow

(169,757 posts)
6. Congress is not a prosecutorial body
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 05:06 PM
Nov 2022


The main reason for this is to gather info in order to draft legislation to fix what are obviously problems with the tax codes and audit process, let alone with transparency of the finances of the holder of the highest officials in the land. They had been attempting to get legislation passed to require Presidents to submit their tax returns for example -

H.R.347 - Presidential Tax Transparency Act

A BILL

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the disclosure of tax returns of Presidents and Vice Presidents and certain candidates for President and Vice President, and for other purposes.

(snip)

DavidDvorkin

(20,589 posts)
12. I should have been clearer
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 05:56 PM
Nov 2022

I didn't mean that they have take action, but rather that they have to protect the information from being hidden away or destroyed once the GOP takes over.

BumRushDaShow

(169,757 posts)
13. I doubt they were handed the originals
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:02 PM
Nov 2022

which the IRS (Executive Branch) would maintain on file based on their Records Control Schedule.

And now that the courts have decided the legitimacy of the Congressional requests, there is nothing stopping the Senate (e.g., Senate Finance Committee currently headed up by Ron Wyden who will probably continue to be Chair the next session) from picking up that mantle and doing their own hearings to come up with some legislation.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
19. The fact that 6103 explicitly grants the Ways and Means Committee...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:31 PM
Nov 2022

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...the right to request tax information, it is abhorrent that they held this up for 3 years.

BumRushDaShow

(169,757 posts)
20. That's how that crew has rolled
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:39 PM
Nov 2022

for the past 50 years using the notoriously slow court system. NY knows. The amount of resources (time and money) wasted is something that few have been willing to follow through with to the bitter end until now.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
23. Doh, you're right, I think the 6 years...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:15 PM
Nov 2022

...came from that they're 6 years of back tax returns.

cstanleytech

(28,471 posts)
24. I would hope that legislation would include all judges at the federal level on up
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:32 PM
Nov 2022

as well as their spouses.

BumRushDaShow

(169,757 posts)
28. Both congressional chambers had similar legislataion for the courts
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 05:30 AM
Dec 2022

back at the beginning of this current 2-year session that began in January 2021, but which is about to end.

H.R.4766 - Supreme Court Ethics Act

A BILL

To amend title 28, United States Code, to provide for a code of conduct for justices and judges of the courts of the United States.


S.2512 - Supreme Court Ethics Act

A BILL

To amend title 28, United States Code, to provide for a code of conduct for justices and judges of the courts of the United States.


They could reintroduce this but it will be a long shot whether the House would do anything with it given who will control it now.

ETA - this was a newer one that was introduced this year that also included the financial piece -

H. R. 7647

A BILL

To amend title 28, United States Code, to provide for a code of conduct for justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, and for other purposes.


 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
9. Funny how quick his cultists went from "under audit!!" to "Its none of your business!"
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 05:17 PM
Nov 2022

Even though he said he'd release them

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
21. The returns of every President are required to be audited every year.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:53 PM
Nov 2022

So that much was not a lie.

Evolve Dammit

(21,777 posts)
30. they have learned that not only is it OK to lie, but necessary to get in front of any issue? nt
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 04:02 PM
Dec 2022

J_William_Ryan

(3,496 posts)
15. "Congress is not a prosecutorial body"
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:19 PM
Nov 2022

True.

But Congress can refer to DOJ any possible Trump criminal activity.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
16. Congressfolk can.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:55 PM
Nov 2022

But they do so as US citizens. In principle--like this is how privilege works--they are just folk and get no special consideration, by the plain reading of statute. However, DOJ knows that you pay to play, and for now, at least, they're playing on the same team.

Congress is limited in its criminal referrals, under democratically enacted laws, to things that are directly against Congress.

ificandream

(11,837 posts)
25. I hope the Orange Fat Dope is losing sleep now that someone else has his financial info.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:42 PM
Nov 2022

Many happy returns, Orange Fat Man.

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