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Red Mountain

(2,343 posts)
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 10:00 AM Dec 2022

Vandalism suspected in outage that left thousands without power in Moore County

Last edited Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: The News & Observer

Vandals are suspected to have intentionally damaged electrical substations in Moore County on Saturday night, shutting off power to 45,000 customers and prompting law enforcement officers to accompany crews sent to make repairs.

Jeff Brooks, a spokesman for Duke Energy, said the power went off after 8 p.m. When crews responded, they found “multiple equipment failures” at several substations and what appeared to be intentional damage, Brooks said.


Protest over drag show

Earlier in the day, protesters had gathered outside the Sunrise Theater in downtown Southern Pines, upset about a drag queen show planned for the small venue Saturday night. On her Facebook page, Emily Grace Rainey posted an invitation to the protest.

After the lights went out out, Rainey, who became known in Moore County during the pandemic for her opposition to mask mandates, posted on Facebook that, “The power is out in Moore County and I know why.”




Read more: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article269579392.html



Right wing nutjobs have threatened this sort of thing in the past. Article is behind a paywall. Open in private browser to read.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moore+County,+NC/@35.280515,-79.4318825,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x89ab5777cbccf3dd:0x9b655a0ffb000e60!8m2!3d35.3674493!4d-79.4703885

Still out:

https://outagemap.duke-energy.com/#/current-outages/ncsc
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Vandalism suspected in outage that left thousands without power in Moore County (Original Post) Red Mountain Dec 2022 OP
The wealthy folks at Pinehurst were not amused, me thinks. paleotn Dec 2022 #1
Just a thought: Have these anti-woke, so called anti-groomers... brush Dec 2022 #58
Took me a bit to find out WHERE this happened in the U.S. BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #2
Thanks for that info SouthernDem4ever Dec 2022 #3
I had to click on the little weather icon at the OP's news article's website BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #5
I knew because that's the part of the country I fled Warpy Dec 2022 #34
Yep, you do know this area. Jamastiene Dec 2022 #50
I didn't even read more into it when I first saw it, because Jamastiene Dec 2022 #44
Well this story finally hit national news big time BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #51
I don't think those 40k people are happy right about now. Jamastiene Dec 2022 #52
I know for decades BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #53
So true. Did you see the poles that held that gate on? Jamastiene Dec 2022 #62
I was surprised they even had wood poles BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #64
International news now... Jamastiene Dec 2022 #63
since when are proud boys protestors ? AllaN01Bear Dec 2022 #4
she is getting pummeled on her FB page. Ignorant GD twit. Patriot my ass. CurtEastPoint Dec 2022 #6
i hope the police are aware. barbtries Dec 2022 #20
You'd think an omnipotent God could've just shut off the power at the drag show itself Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #7
See how easy that was? Imagine if a foreign actor wanted to REALLY cause trouble oldsoftie Dec 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Stainless Dec 2022 #9
Tell me about it Red Mountain Dec 2022 #22
Everyone who reads the N&O does, anyway jmowreader Dec 2022 #24
I could have made a point of explaining where it occurred, I guess Red Mountain Dec 2022 #25
Vandalism? How about targeted. I just started listening to Rachel's podacst Ultra. Hotler Dec 2022 #10
Is Ultra in book form yet? judesedit Dec 2022 #13
Do we even know that it will be? barbtries Dec 2022 #16
Under each episode on the MSNBC presentation is a link to its transcript. taxi Dec 2022 #31
Thank you for that. My problem is I have an old phone. Not much space judesedit Dec 2022 #33
There are also those with limited internet service. taxi Dec 2022 #36
How about domestic terrorism? csziggy Dec 2022 #15
Obviously, they think a white guy did it. tclambert Dec 2022 #42
When shit like this happens, I cannot help but notice that there's not one peep of outrage from tenderfoot Dec 2022 #11
This is not vandalism; it is sabotage. NBachers Dec 2022 #12
This is not sabotage, this is terrorism DBoon Dec 2022 #18
It is terrorism. Jamastiene Dec 2022 #45
Please update your post to add in parentheses the location. question everything Dec 2022 #14
i live in NC and unfamiliar with Moore County. barbtries Dec 2022 #19
I just cancelled my subscription to the N&O mnhtnbb Dec 2022 #55
I hardly ever read it to tell the truth. barbtries Dec 2022 #56
I had it for local coverage, too. mnhtnbb Dec 2022 #57
thanks. barbtries Dec 2022 #59
Sending you a DU mail. mnhtnbb Dec 2022 #60
Added it in Red Mountain Dec 2022 #21
Imagine if the terrorists were Islamic State instead of fundamentalist Christians DBoon Dec 2022 #17
Might have been...... Red Mountain Dec 2022 #23
Where, oh where, is Moore County? Stuart G Dec 2022 #26
Does it matter? Red Mountain Dec 2022 #27
Yes, it matters...Here it is: Fayetteville, North Carolina..That is where it is. Stuart G Dec 2022 #28
Pinehurst. Golf Mecca. Fayettenam is in Cumberland County. Next one over. paleotn Dec 2022 #37
Thought I was the only one that called it Fayettenam. Jamastiene Dec 2022 #47
I'm sure Al Qaeda has bookmarked this news story. tclambert Dec 2022 #43
Look up golf in North Carolina. Jamastiene Dec 2022 #46
Way to go, NC MAGAts, shut down electricity for thousands to stop a drag show. SunSeeker Dec 2022 #29
It's like they shot themselves in the foot. Jamastiene Dec 2022 #48
The FBI should treat this as a case of domestic terrorism dalton99a Dec 2022 #30
Hopefully they have informants in the area Red Mountain Dec 2022 #32
+1 area51 Dec 2022 #39
"60 Minutes" did a segment on this. Archae Dec 2022 #35
Somebody better hang for this Jilly_in_VA Dec 2022 #38
Tired of these terrorists vercetti2021 Dec 2022 #40
Still out: Red Mountain Dec 2022 #41
They spelled domestic terrorism wrong again. n/t Jamastiene Dec 2022 #49
BINGO! Behind the Aegis Dec 2022 #54
Hey! Jamastiene Dec 2022 #61

paleotn

(22,211 posts)
1. The wealthy folks at Pinehurst were not amused, me thinks.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 10:09 AM
Dec 2022

A bridge very much too far, that earns the nutters few friends and costs them plenty. That's the kind of shit that will land them in jail for a good long time.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
58. Just a thought: Have these anti-woke, so called anti-groomers...
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 10:52 AM
Dec 2022

magats moved to domestic terrorism, damaging vulnerable, unprotected infrastructure?

BumRushDaShow

(169,734 posts)
2. Took me a bit to find out WHERE this happened in the U.S.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 10:17 AM
Dec 2022


Apparently in NC. I suspected that given the reference to "Duke Energy" but even the article gave no clues...

BumRushDaShow

(169,734 posts)
5. I had to click on the little weather icon at the OP's news article's website
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 10:22 AM
Dec 2022

to see that it said "Raleigh".

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
34. I knew because that's the part of the country I fled
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 07:38 PM
Dec 2022

as soon as I had a car that was nearly as old as I was plus enough money to make the trip.

The problem is the preachers who shriek from the pulpit and incite this shit. No, I doubt the jerks who did it go to church, they just heard Mamaw or Peepaw ranting about it and decided to git them pree verts. They didn't spare a thought for anyone else, not in hospitals and not at home.

Just please tell me that there were video cameras left over from Islamophobic paranoia. This is home grown terrorism and I want those assholes caught and prosecuted and sitting in prison, preferably in a prison designed for terrorists.

I have never regretted getting the hell out of Dixie. The only time I missed any part of it was in May in Boston when it was icy cold and drizzly and I remembered what a real spring was like. The rest of the time, nah.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
50. Yep, you do know this area.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:17 AM
Dec 2022

You explained it so well. I hope the FBI being involved gets the culprits arrested. I don't trust the local sheriff.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
44. I didn't even read more into it when I first saw it, because
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:00 AM
Dec 2022

I thought they were talking about Moore, Oklahoma or one of the other Moores in America.

I live in another county near the place here in NC where that happened. Nothing ever happens much here. So, I didn't even know. When I finally did read it and NC was mentioned, my jaw hit the floor.

BumRushDaShow

(169,734 posts)
51. Well this story finally hit national news big time
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:20 AM
Dec 2022

(am literally hearing a report about it as I type this while listening to my local news radio station)

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
52. I don't think those 40k people are happy right about now.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:23 AM
Dec 2022

I don't trust that sheriff, but the FBI and our Dem governor and Dem AG are on it. I do trust them to do more and actually arrest whoever did it. Cooper and Stein have been good ones.

BumRushDaShow

(169,734 posts)
53. I know for decades
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:50 AM
Dec 2022

there has always been concern about our energy infrastructure being open to damage as a "soft target" with a need to be "hardened". Except for those facilities that might be underground like those in dense urban areas, most substations are just sitting exposed on some plot of land in the open behind fencing but still obviously identifiable.

This is a pic of the NC substataion -



I live a couple blocks from a substation that looks similar and drive by it all the time (I live in Philly) but my power actually isn't from that one but from another some distance away, and is one that also provides power to parts of the township across the county line between Philly and Montgomery County.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
62. So true. Did you see the poles that held that gate on?
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 01:49 PM
Dec 2022

They were rotten at ground level. I've seen very old poles rot like that at ground level. It makes them very weak, like punky wood.

A small child could have pushed that gate over, even a small animal. That should never have been left that dilapidated that someone could just get in there to that equipment so easily.

As many storms as we have here in this area of NC, they should have long since gone to lateral lines (underground). It would stop a lot of power outages and unnecessary food spoilage. I know every time a storm knocks my power out, it is going to be anywhere between 5 hours to 5 days. I dread hearing 5 days when I call to report it and get the reply back from Duke Energy.

Like you said, though, we should have long since protected our electrical grid. Our grid is atrociously undefended, dilapidated and weak. That should have been done during the war on terror, a long time ago. We were sitting ducks the whole time.

BumRushDaShow

(169,734 posts)
64. I was surprised they even had wood poles
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:43 PM
Dec 2022

but I suppose it was for a "rustic" look for the facility so it could blend in and not look so harsh and industrial.

I grew up with wires strung along the backs of houses but the house I'm in right now actually has underground electric. However I know it eventually comes out of the ground and up to a pole and goes on its way to transformers and a substation. And during storms (particularly any tropical storms/remnants of hurricanes) the persistent winds can blow out transformers fairly quickly. Hell, branches falling on lines are the bane of one of my sisters' existence.

CurtEastPoint

(20,023 posts)
6. she is getting pummeled on her FB page. Ignorant GD twit. Patriot my ass.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

What is someone on oxygen died because of her 'patriotism?'

https://www.facebook.com/emily.rainey.94

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
20. i hope the police are aware.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:50 PM
Dec 2022

and arrests will be made. but you never know around here, they could be applauding it.

looked at your link. her latest post:

The Moore County Sheriff's Office just checked in. I welcomed them to my home.
Sorry they wasted their time. I told them that God works in mysterious ways and is responsible for the outage. I used the opportunity to tell them about the immoral drag show and the blasphemies screamed by its supporters.
God is chastising Moore County. I thanked them for coming and wished them a good night. Thankful for the LEOs service, as always.


comments still blasting her. hope she goes to jail.
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. You'd think an omnipotent God could've just shut off the power at the drag show itself
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 10:55 AM
Dec 2022

You know, to show his displeasure at this violation of His Will (which I'm sure these protestors claim to know).

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
8. See how easy that was? Imagine if a foreign actor wanted to REALLY cause trouble
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 11:49 AM
Dec 2022

Our electrical infrastructure MUST be hardened against attacks and also solar attacks.
EVERY year we do little to prevent damage.

Response to Red Mountain (Original post)

jmowreader

(53,193 posts)
24. Everyone who reads the N&O does, anyway
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 02:11 PM
Dec 2022

Although the LBN rules require using the exact headline, would it be permissible to add (NC) to it so everyone outside the Carolinas knows?

Red Mountain

(2,343 posts)
25. I could have made a point of explaining where it occurred, I guess
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 02:44 PM
Dec 2022

I was being a bit facetious.

Though I'm not sure if people were more offended by not knowing what state it was in or where Moore county is in NC.

The name of the newspaper was a clue.

The Southern Pines reference in the article was a dead giveaway.

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
10. Vandalism? How about targeted. I just started listening to Rachel's podacst Ultra.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 11:56 AM
Dec 2022

Seems like right out of the 1940 Nazi play book. I highly recommend listening, many parallels to today.

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
16. Do we even know that it will be?
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:47 PM
Dec 2022

the podcast is free, easily accessible and entirely worthwhile.

taxi

(2,712 posts)
31. Under each episode on the MSNBC presentation is a link to its transcript.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 06:22 PM
Dec 2022

Far too lengthy to be printing at home, it makes for a quick and easy download, and it's free. Episode 1 is 487kb. Here's the link: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra/transcript-trip-19-n1299418

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra is the link for the main page.

judesedit

(4,592 posts)
33. Thank you for that. My problem is I have an old phone. Not much space
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 07:38 PM
Dec 2022

No computer, so everything's done on my phone. I'll try, though.

taxi

(2,712 posts)
36. There are also those with limited internet service.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 07:54 PM
Dec 2022

Here is a link to a RollingStone article: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/rachel-maddow-ultra-podcast-great-sedition-trial-1234603398/

It briefly summarizes things. They allow only a few free articles so maybe give yourself enough time to read it when you go there. There is a limit on how much can be posted from a source so here is some it:

It was called The Great Sedition Trial of 1944. It’s mostly forgotten history, in large part because the trial didn’t work. They all got off. But that doesn’t mean that these guys weren’t actually doing what they were accused of. There were powerful elected officials who were involved in this terrible plot. They pressured the Justice Department to get the prosecutor fired, and to get the whole thing shut down. They used their political power to get away and to get their co-conspirators off. It has had decades of consequences for the United States in terms of this protection racket at the heart of the far right.
snip
But the German propaganda efforts in the United States, in particular, were something that was often downplayed at the time, and is still downplayed. Because we never think about propaganda as important. We saw it as bad advertising. Or disinformation. But that was how the Nazis were waging war. And their propaganda operation inside the United States was big, well-funded, and aggressive. Some of the most famous members of Congress at the time were implicated in this plot.
snip
They thought that killing the congressmen would set off a civil war in the United States. They believed they could provoke the antifa of their time, the anti-fascist groups and communist groups, into such an outraged reaction that it would cause the National Guard to be called out, and then the Christian Front would join with the National Guard. And it would be a military coup in the United States, which would pave the way for a fascist, emergency power-style military government.
snip
But there’s more to it: The political pressure on the Justice Department to fire the prosecutor; the members of Congress who are implicated in the plot inveighing against the prosecution and against the trial itself; the little problem along the way of the judge dying. It’s a crazy, crazy story. And it ends with them all getting away, which sets me up for what I’m hoping is going to be Season Two.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
15. How about domestic terrorism?
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:20 PM
Dec 2022

If a foreign entity did this, it WOULD be called terrorism. Just because it is a domestic source, it's vandalism?

tclambert

(11,193 posts)
42. Obviously, they think a white guy did it.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 10:08 PM
Dec 2022

If someone with a little pigment in their complexion did it, THEN they will start saying terrorism.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
11. When shit like this happens, I cannot help but notice that there's not one peep of outrage from
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:00 PM
Dec 2022

this site's alleged "as a gay man" trolls.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
45. It is terrorism.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:03 AM
Dec 2022

Look up Nazis and "Lights Out."

The Neo-Nazi groups have been planning to do something like this for ages. It was probably a test run.

question everything

(52,131 posts)
14. Please update your post to add in parentheses the location.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:13 PM
Dec 2022

Yes, you can do this. I have many times

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
19. i live in NC and unfamiliar with Moore County.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:49 PM
Dec 2022

An earlier post with a twitter link had the same story. I do subscribe to the News and Observer and you're right, if you're not from around here you wouldn't even know what state it was in. That happens with a lot of local paper news stories.

mnhtnbb

(33,345 posts)
55. I just cancelled my subscription to the N&O
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 06:08 AM
Dec 2022

because it has moved so far right. When we first moved to NC (Chapel Hill,) in 2000, we started taking the N&O in addition to the NY Times. It started moving to the right after it was bought by McClatchy in 1995. Now it's ridiculous. They don't even print Letters to the Editor anymore. They "report" right wing talking points--propaganda--as though it is news. They bury real news on page 10 and put human interest stories on the front page, above the fold, as though they are a weekly paper from some small town in the '50's, instead of the newspaper of a capital city. Pathetic.

Screw 'em.

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
56. I hardly ever read it to tell the truth.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 10:02 AM
Dec 2022

there were comments on this story and they were 100% anti- domestic terrorism, which I found encouraging. I only get the online version.

I look it up when there's a local news story I'm interested in, but subscribe primarily to support local coverage. What do you read instead? Maybe I should spend my money better on NC Policy Watch or Indy News? I live in Durham.

mnhtnbb

(33,345 posts)
57. I had it for local coverage, too.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 10:46 AM
Dec 2022

I got the print edition delivered because the Wednesday food ads often ran a Harris Teeter coupon worth $10-20 off when buying a threshold $ amount. Paid for the subscription. But the coverage of political races this summer just turned me off. I'm in Durham now, too.

The TV news channel websites usually cover local stories, so I just look them up on-line. Don't watch them on TV. INDY Week is free on-line, but you can donate to support it. https://indyweek.com/

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
59. thanks.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 10:56 AM
Dec 2022

yeah, i do watch the local news for weather events and so on. I don't have TV. Well I have a Roku but no cable or local channels. I watch everything on my computer lol have one in my bedroom, my home office, and downstairs in front of the Roku. I'm bad.

I think we may have met at a DU meetup a long time ago mnhtnbb - anyhow, i'm near Southpoint in case you're a neighbor.

DBoon

(24,982 posts)
17. Imagine if the terrorists were Islamic State instead of fundamentalist Christians
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 12:49 PM
Dec 2022

There would be mass arrests as we speak.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
26. Where, oh where, is Moore County?
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 03:07 PM
Dec 2022

...I don't see where this is at? What state, and near what city that we all know....PLEASE..!

Oh well, I didn't see post 23. sorry.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
28. Yes, it matters...Here it is: Fayetteville, North Carolina..That is where it is.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 03:26 PM
Dec 2022

I didn't see post 23. I looked at the headlines only....Sorry.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
47. Thought I was the only one that called it Fayettenam.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:09 AM
Dec 2022

Fort Bragg is a nest of neo-Nazis. Good place to get beaten up for nothing. All you gotta do is exist there and you are going to be beaten up and possibly slashed.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
46. Look up golf in North Carolina.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:05 AM
Dec 2022

It will lead you right to Moore County. It's all hospitals and golf there for as far as the eye can see, along with oodles of pine trees. And I mean oodles of pine trees, more than you will ever want to see again and I do like pine trees. Even I think it's a bit much.

I live near there, but not rich enough to live in that county, not that I would want to anyhow. It's too expensive.

At least they have a movie theater there. My county closed down the movie theater here in the 90s because they played Showgirls. They did that because it was against community standards, not because it sucked or anything.

SunSeeker

(58,280 posts)
29. Way to go, NC MAGAts, shut down electricity for thousands to stop a drag show.
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 05:40 PM
Dec 2022

Fucking idiots.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
48. It's like they shot themselves in the foot.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 05:14 AM
Dec 2022

They shut down power on one of the coldest nights of the year so far....for everyone in the whole county, 40k people, because of their bigotry.

It backfired on them.

They gotta go home to a fridge full of spoiled food, no power, no internet, no cell service, and explain to their neighbors, families, and friends why they thought that was a good idea. It's almost like instant karma. I'm glad they were stupid.

No wonder Andy made Barney keep his one bullet in his shirt pocket. Give these idiots around here more than one bullet and that's what they decide to do.

Red Mountain

(2,343 posts)
32. Hopefully they have informants in the area
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 06:53 PM
Dec 2022

Insurgencies rely on the cooperation and/or silence of the population to succeed.

This is bound to affect somebody who knows something in a negative way...and piss them off...if whoever did it was local to begin with.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,361 posts)
38. Somebody better hang for this
Sun Dec 4, 2022, 08:51 PM
Dec 2022

This is straight up terrorism. Not vandalism, not "redneck fun".

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
61. Hey!
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 01:43 PM
Dec 2022

Twitter was fast paced, but the burning car guy is turning it into a cesspool. I decided to come back here for a while, like coming home or something.

So happy to see you too.

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