Iran Shutting Down Morality Police,Official Says, After Months of Protests
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Source: New York Times
Iran is abolishing the morality police, according to an announcement by the attorney general carried on state media, following months of protests set off by the death of a young woman who was being held by the force for supposedly violating the country's strict Islamic dress laws.
The decision, reported by state news outlets late Saturday night, appeared to be a major victory for feminists who have sought for years to dismantle the force and for the protest movement ignited by the death of the young woman, Mahsa Amini, 22, in September. The unrest has amounted to one of the biggest challenges in decades to Iran's system of authoritarian clerical rule and the decision to scrap the morality police was the government's first major concession to the protesters.
The morality police "was abolished by the same authorities who installed it," the statement by Attorney General Mohammad Javad Montazeri said, according to state media reports. But he went on to suggest that the judiciary would still enforce restrictions on "social behavior." He also indicated that the authorities were reviewing the head scarf regulations. But it was not immediately clear what impact these changes would have on enforcement of the dress code or whether the authorities were planning to relax the hijab law, which remained in place.
The primary role of the morality police was to enforce the laws related to Iran's conservative Islamic dress code, imposed after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and recently invigorated by the country's new ultraconservative president. The dress code for women became an ideological pillar of the ruling clerical establishment, central to its identity.
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Iran has abolished the morality police, according to an announcement by the attorney general carried on state media, following months of protests set off by the death of a young woman who was being held by the force for supposedly violating the country's strict Islamic dress laws.
The decision, reported by state news outlets late Saturday night, appeared to be a major victory for feminists who have sought for years to dismantle the force and for the protest movement ignited by the death of the young woman, Mahsa Amini, 22, in September. The unrest has amounted to one of the biggest challenges in decades to Iran's system of authoritarian clerical rule and the decision to scrap the morality police was the government's first major concession to the protesters.
The morality police "was abolished by the same authorities who installed it," the statement by Attorney General Mohammad Javad Montazeri said, according to state media reports. But he went on to suggest that the judiciary would still enforce restrictions on "social behavior." He also indicated that the authorities were reviewing the head scarf regulations. But it was not clear whether the authorities planned to relax the hijab law, which remained in force.
The primary role of the morality police was to enforce the laws related to Iran's conservative Islamic dress code, imposed after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and recently invigorated by the country's new ultraconservative president. The dress code for women became an ideological pillar of the ruling clerical establishment, central to its identity.
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Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Sounds like abortion in the USA.
cbabe
(3,541 posts)Judge temporarily blocks Indiana abortion ban on religious freedom ...
Indiana's near-total abortion ban has been halted, again, in state court. This time, a Marion County judge ruled that the ban likely violates Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA. A group of anonymous women and the organization Hoosier Jews For Choice sued the state in September, arguing the ban infringes on their religious ...
(One religion fighting off laws from another religion.)
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)cbabe
(3,541 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)niyad
(113,284 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)in terms of completely re-instituting such codes, it could probably be considered a major development that Iran even voiced such an edict to pull back a bit.
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)This type of 'window dressing' (and placation) would simply not have occurred a month or so ago. This is a step back and a retreat for the fundies - and it is significant in that no such move was necessary, or really even conceivable, prior to this.
Not nearly knowledgeable enough to speculate further - but I'd be really interested in what internal shuffling and shifting power bases are playing out in their political structures right now. I'll bet there are other elements (beyond people in the streets) that are saying, "tired of this crap", and, "these jerks have become a millstone .." "what are they contributing?" But that's just guesswork from this perspective.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)and then you had this a couple days ago -
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/americas/venezuela-chevron-oil-intl-latam/index.html
and then this happen yesterday -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143001964
and they started to review at that point too -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143002718
and now this was announced today -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143002792
... I think there might be some $$$ potential involved in there.
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)But, makes a certain amount of sense. While religious fanatics are not generally known for their fiscal considerations - you can pretty much bet that there are others within the power structure that are.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)and this was being reported in August -
Published Wed, Aug 31 20221:43 AM EDT
Natasha Turak
@NatashaTurak
The return of the Iran nuclear deal could be imminent and with it, the return of a lot of oil to international crude markets. Before the U.S. resumed sanctions on Iran after former President Donald Trump left the deal in 2018, Iran was the third-largest producer in OPEC after Saudi Arabia and Iraq. In 2017, it was the fourth-largest oil producer in the world, after the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Russia.
OPEC could easily produce 30.5 million bpd (barrels per day) if Iran comes back and those barrels are not accommodated, Tamas Varga, analyst at PVM Oil Associates in London, told CNBC on Tuesday. Under this scenario my model shows Brent dipping to $65? per barrel in the second half of 2023, Varga said. Thats a massive drop from the current price of Brent crude, which was trading at just over $101 a barrel on Tuesday morning in New York.
Last week, Saudi Arabias energy minister, Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman, warned that OPEC could be forced to cut oil production. The ministers reasoning was that physical and paper markets are disconnected with the latter suffering from very thin liquidity, extreme volatility, he said in an interview with Bloomberg last week.
But Irans potential reemergence on the market is also likely to be a concern, analysts say. OPEC+ might be preparing for the eventual return of Iran, Varga wrote in a report Tuesday. Should the nuclear deal be revived, 1-2 million barrels per day of extra oil could hit the market in a comparatively short period of time.
(snip)
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/31/an-iran-nuclear-deal-revival-could-dramatically-alter-oil-prices.html
Now we see Venezuela making a return and Iran missing out on the income from the higher prices and apparently OPEC had made, and now continued to confirm a decision to cut production so if Iran suddenly got some sanctions lifted (thanks to backing off from draconian crap like "morality police" ) then.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)real dressing, literally!
calguy
(5,306 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,854 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)It's still a regime run by religious fanatics.
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)in this very unusual and rare instance. It's meaningful even if it is merely strategic.
(my humble opinion)
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)praised far and wide in The West letting women drive cars alone??
The cultural change of clothes will inevitably lead to other cultural change, eating away at the religious grip. Good reason for the 40 year iron fist, now being released, in he fanatical religious minds
which are more or less the same minds wherever you go!
This is bigger, by far, but The West Media wont say so, unless I missed something, to date?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Martin68
(22,794 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)and a portion of the story.
Harker
(14,015 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Harker
(14,015 posts)paleotn
(17,912 posts)Hekate
(90,673 posts)PatrickforB
(14,572 posts)Here in the United States, we are facing the very same issue. As one person says, abortion is our 'pillar' - right now, at least.
But these Dominionist Christians believe this is a 'Christian country' that should be ruled by a Christian interpretation of the bible.
In other words, our very own Dominionists want to impose these kinds of laws on us.
Don't forget that. When we contemplate the religious hell Iran's people face, our own religious hell will be every bit as bad as old white evangelical men create laws that reflect their literal understanding of the King James Bible.
All of it - whether Muslim or Christian, seems based on a form of spiritual pride - an unshakeable belief that 'this way is the ONLY way.'
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)1st post in the thread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3002808
electric_blue68
(14,888 posts)early '00s!
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)cloudbase
(5,513 posts)Nobody gives up power willingly, especially those who believe their power is divinely granted.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Also, I see the TV series NCIS has been renewed for 2023. If the Muslim character Fatima will still be in it, I wonder if she'll ditch the hijab.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)I have a neighbor who does - head to toe. Her young daughter wears a full scarf and gown covering to the ankles.
It depends because like other religions including Christianity, there are different sects with different "rules" and for example you still have this going on but it's not talked about much if at all and it makes you wonder why -
Amish
Mennonites
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Thanks for the photos. I hadn't thought of those disgusting costumes in a while.
electric_blue68
(14,888 posts)the eyes then it's called a burka.
(saw something reccently with illustrations)
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:07 AM - Edit history (1)
but when the family has hosted get-togethers, there were other women who have attended who wore burkas.
The men wear a kufi (hat/cap) and full length thobe (neck to feet robe).
(edit to fix "where" to "wear" - not enough coffee )
electric_blue68
(14,888 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)my "where" to be "wear" because I was just getting some sips of coffee so the caffeine hadn't kicked in yet.
I have seen all sorts of variations here where I live depending on whether the individuals are members of U.S. sects or are from Mideast, African, or E/SE European or Asian sects.
E.g., women in Bosnia -
Hell... we still have some older Catholic/Episcopal/Lutheran women in some orders who still wear a full habit (most don't though). My own Episcopal Church hosted a group of nuns for many decades who were part of the Society of St. Margaret, where that order eventually consolidated and are no longer here, but are still active elsewhere.
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)I think its silly but its also their business to do what they choose.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)it's their free-will choice and not forced upon them.
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)mysteryowl
(7,383 posts)Look at the US and cultural changes we have struggled with and how long it is taking the US.
How about trying to stop female circumcision? How about the binding of female feet?
All these things are still going on, albeit lesser and lesser numbers, but it took years!
They have many men in their culture that will not tolerate it and demand "their" women wear them.
Husbands, fathers, brothers etc. will stalk "their" women and force them to or restrict them more. I think there are some very restrictive conservative extremist families.
Women will be harassed and abused publicly for trying the new law out and removing their head scarf. This won't go smoothly for a very long time.
A beginning is good, that if for sure!
Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,323 posts)Morality Police is a branch of Iran's law enforcement apparatus. Regardless of their existence, morality policing is a set of laws that remains on the books, which have been enforced prior to the establishing Morality Police in 2019, and will be enforced after its forces are reintegrated inti other branches of law enforcement.
What has changed? Absolutely nothing. A pig by any other name would stink as badly (sorry, Shakespeare).
EndlessWire
(6,522 posts)The powers that be in Iran are facing world condemnation for their stupid law. They threatened to execute thousands. How to save face? Disband the Morality Police. They beat to death a beautiful young lady not for failing to wear the hijab, but for wearing it improperly. And, that murder is pretty intolerable to the rest of us, too. Even the UN took note.
Apparently, the people of Iran have not backed down against their repressive government. So, the government is throwing them a bone. I think that Iranians are not stupid, and they realize this, as anyone would. But, at least they did get something done.
Poor little girl. There's not much more you can say. She didn't deserve what she got. She might have been someone destined to benefit her people in a million different ways. But, she was killed over a stupid piece of cloth.
If Iranian women want to wear a symbol like that, let them make the choice. It shouldn't be something that gets them killed.
ColinC
(8,291 posts)I think a major demand was to abolish the supreme leader.
Takket
(21,563 posts)unofficially i bet they will just turn into jack booted thugs that make people vanish in the middle of the night. they'll just have to be less public about their "morality"