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muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:34 AM Dec 2022

Germany arrests 25 accused of plotting coup

Source: BBC

Twenty-five people have been arrested in raids across Germany on suspicion of plotting to overthrow the government.

German reports say the group of far-right and ex-military figures planned to storm the parliament building, the Reichstag, and seize power.

A German man referred to as a prince called Heinrich XIII, 71, is alleged to have been central to their plans.
...
The plotters are said to include members of the extremist Reichsbürger [Citizens of the Reich] movement, which has long been in the sights of German police over violent attacks and racist conspiracy theories. They also refuse to recognise the modern German state.



Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63885028



According to prosecution officials, the arrested suspects "belong to a terrorist organization founded by the end of November 2021 at the latest, which has set itself the goal of overcoming the existing state order in Germany and replacing it with its own form of state, which has already been worked out in outline."

Of the 25 men and women arrested, 24 were from Germany and one suspected supporter is from Russia. One arrest took place in Austria and one in Italy. There are 27 other suspects, the federal prosecutor's office said.

The Reichsbürger movement is made up of a number of small organizations and individuals, mainly in the states of Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania and Bavaria. They do not accept the legality of the Federal Republic of Germany nor any of its government authorities.

The movement argues that the German constitution prior to World War II was never properly nullified and that the formation of the former West Germany in 1949, and now reunified Germany, was therefore never valid.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-arrest-25-suspected-far-right-terrorists-in-nationwide-raids/a-64011136

In translation:

A council had formed, a kind of government. Reuss is said to have been the head of the council, and the former AfD MP was traded as a kind of justice minister.

In addition, there is said to have been a military arm whose head is said to have been a Rüdiger von P. This unit tried to arm itself and also carried out shooting training. "A Germany-wide system of homeland security companies was planned," said the spokeswoman.

Some of the members had also served in the Bundeswehr. A targeted attempt was also made to recruit soldiers and police officers. In the summer of 2022 there were four meetings in Baden-Württemberg, and in November Rüdiger vP, among others, tried to recruit police officers in northern Germany. Bundeswehr barracks were also scouted out in October.

The members should be Reich citizens and QAnon believers - according to this conspiracy ideology, a secret state, a "deep state", governs.

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/razzia-reichsbuerger-umsturz-terrorverdacht-100.html
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Germany arrests 25 accused of plotting coup (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2022 OP
At least Germany knows what to do about coup plotters. n/t area51 Dec 2022 #1
Put them in jail for about a year so that they can win a plurality Jose Garcia Dec 2022 #2
Landsberg Prison is still available.... nt EX500rider Dec 2022 #20
Shoot them in front of the Bendlerblock? Kennah Dec 2022 #23
Geeeebz! And here I thought eh, nothing new and bad in LBN before I go to sleep... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #3
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Dec 2022 #4
Oh, come on! MyOwnPeace Dec 2022 #5
Was Steve Bannon's name mentioned? no_hypocrisy Dec 2022 #6
Is trump involved? SouthernDem4ever Dec 2022 #7
nazi people..... is kanye west involved ??? Trueblue1968 Dec 2022 #8
This was a Qanon conspiracy Temeret Dec 2022 #9
The headline in the Guardian highlighted the QAnon aspect. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #10
"one suspected supporter is from Russia" 70sEraVet Dec 2022 #11
Nutters. Everybody's got them. paleotn Dec 2022 #12
In this country, an open coup attempt can occur with minimal arrests...thus far. We have members... NNadir Dec 2022 #13
There's a good report on this from DW - GoneOffShore Dec 2022 #14
This has a very familiar ring to it as if the same Russian trolls were writing the script. Ford_Prefect Dec 2022 #15
Just wow. I think I heard her indicate a Judge was among the known in this group and I thought I msfiddlestix Dec 2022 #18
Yes, the former AfD member of parliament mentioned above is still a judge muriel_volestrangler Dec 2022 #19
It's some weird movie script getting played in real life, and we're all in it, like it or not! msfiddlestix Dec 2022 #21
"Day X" PSPS Dec 2022 #16
A bunch of German sovereign citizens. Lasher Dec 2022 #17
to the T msfiddlestix Dec 2022 #22
pretty much. prodigitalson Dec 2022 #25
Likely the same thing is happening in the US harun Dec 2022 #26
Is the descendant of a family that ruled a minor principality until 1918 really a prince? TomSlick Dec 2022 #24

electric_blue68

(14,886 posts)
3. Geeeebz! And here I thought eh, nothing new and bad in LBN before I go to sleep...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:33 AM
Dec 2022

riiiiight.

Thank goodness they got these bags of sewage 😬 before they could go ahead.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
5. Oh, come on!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:18 AM
Dec 2022

I'm betting they were nothing more than your average 'tourist' group getting ready for a stroll through their own capitol building......

 

Temeret

(80 posts)
9. This was a Qanon conspiracy
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:05 AM
Dec 2022

They’re not just crazy people, talking nonsense on Twitter. They are threat to governments.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
13. In this country, an open coup attempt can occur with minimal arrests...thus far. We have members...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 08:03 AM
Dec 2022

of Congress who have supported a coup and they are still in office, spouting racist, sexist, nationalistic rhetoric.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
14. There's a good report on this from DW -
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:44 AM
Dec 2022
In a nationwide raid, 25 suspected members and supporters of a terrorist organization were arrested early Wednesday. Officials said the network, part of a wider right-wing movement, was already well established with a concrete plan to overthrow the German state by force and install a new government.

The raids were announced by Germany's federal prosecution agency and German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann. Buschmann said the investigations were directed against a suspected terrorist network with known ties to the Reichsbürger movement. He said that the raids had taken place on individuals suspected of planning an armed attack on state institutions.




3000 police officers deployed in raids over plot to overthrow German government | DW News

Ford_Prefect

(7,887 posts)
15. This has a very familiar ring to it as if the same Russian trolls were writing the script.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:10 AM
Dec 2022
The group had even started to nominate ministers for a transitional post-coup government, reported the newspaper Die Zeit, in which one of the suspects, the former AfD MP Birgit Malsack-Winkemann, 58, was to be federal minister for justice.

The group was convinced modern Germany was run by a “deep state” conspiracy that was about to be exposed by an alliance of German intelligence agencies and the militaries of foreign states including Russia and the US.

“Everything will be turned upside down: the current public prosecutors and judges, as well as the heads of the health departments and their superiors will find themselves in the dock at Nuremberg 2.0”, one of the suspect said in a message posted on Telegram minutes before the start of Wednesday’s raids, Die Zeit reported.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/07/german-police-raids-target-far-right-reich-citizens-movement

msfiddlestix

(7,278 posts)
18. Just wow. I think I heard her indicate a Judge was among the known in this group and I thought I
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

heard her say police and military, however it was a little confusing because I think the arrests involved was done by the established military along with the police.

I think it was here on DU an article recently indicating that U.S. based insurrectionists (all of the organized militia groups, along with PB, Q's etc) were involved in organizing abroad in Europe, the UK. and Eastern Europe.... but I don't remember the source.

Just a general awareness that these groups are uniformly organizing internationally is far more dangerous and challenging to deal with than all of our past wars on terrorists (Alqueda etc). Home grown and international.

involving military, police, judges, officials holding office.

We need to deal with the same thing here.. imo.






muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
19. Yes, the former AfD member of parliament mentioned above is still a judge
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:46 PM
Dec 2022

The Guardian article has now been updated with that.

PSPS

(13,591 posts)
16. "Day X"
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:11 PM
Dec 2022

This has been a real problem in Germany that was covered in depth by the NYT last year. Its "plans" closely resemble those of the right-wing in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/podcasts/far-right-german-extremism.html

prodigitalson

(2,408 posts)
25. pretty much.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 08:31 PM
Dec 2022

Q, sovcits, anti-vaxers, etc. they are anti Semites too but not neo Nazis per se. they think there are about 20,000 of them nationwide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsb%C3%BCrger_movement

harun

(11,348 posts)
26. Likely the same thing is happening in the US
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:55 PM
Dec 2022

Question will be if the US security agencies are on the side of Democracy or the plotters?

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
24. Is the descendant of a family that ruled a minor principality until 1918 really a prince?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:23 PM
Dec 2022

Anyone whose family hasn't ruled anything for a hundred years that calls himself Prince Heinrich XIII should be watched.

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