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BumRushDaShow

(169,708 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:08 AM Dec 2022

WNBA star Brittney Griner released from Russian custody in a high-profile prisoner swap

Last edited Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: NBC News

WASHINGTON — WNBA star Brittney Griner is free Thursday after the Biden administration negotiated her release from a Russian penal colony in exchange for an arms dealer, according to a senior administration official. President Joe Biden signed off on the trade, which took place in the United Arab Emirates, even though it meant leaving behind Paul Whelan, an American corporate security executive who remains jailed in Russia.

"She is safe, she is on a plane, she is on her way home," Biden said in remarks from the White House on Thursday morning. "She will soon be back in the arms of her loved ones and she should have been there all along." "I'm proud that today we have made one more family whole," Biden said, adding that he will continue to work to free Whelan. "We’ll keep negotiating for Paul’s relief. I guarantee it."

Brittney Griner’s wife, Cherelle Griner, was in the Oval Office with Biden and the two were able to speak with her by phone, according to a senior administration official. Cherelle Griner, speaking after Biden, expressed her "sincere gratitude" to Biden and several other officials she mentioned by name for their work. riner will be flown to a medical facility in San Antonio where she will receive care, a senior administration official said. Cherelle Griner, will meet her there, according to a senior administration official.

The move marks one of the most high-profile prisoner swaps between Moscow and Washington since the Cold War, with the Kremlin seeing the return of Viktor Bout, who Russian President Vladimir Putin has been wanting to get back — and who had served 11 years of a 25-year sentence in the United States.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/wnba-star-brittney-griner-released-russian-custody-high-profile-prison-rcna60683



Full headline: WNBA star Brittney Griner released from Russian custody in a high-profile prisoner swap between the U.S. and Moscow

Article updated.

Original article -

WASHINGTON — WNBA star Brittney Griner is free Thursday after the Biden administration negotiated her release from a Russian penal colony in exchange for an arms dealer.

President Joe Biden signed off on the trade, which took place in the United Arab Emirates, even though it meant leaving behind Paul Whelan, an American corporate security executive who remains jailed in Russia.

The move marks one of the most high-profile prisoner swaps between Moscow and Washington since the Cold War, with the Kremlin seeing the return of Viktor Bout, who Russian President Vladimir Putin has been wanting to get back — and who had served 11 years of a 25-year sentence in the United States.

Griner’s return to the United States will cap a monthslong saga that began in February when she was detained at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport after Russian authorities said they found vape canisters with cannabis oil in her luggage. She was later jailed on drug charges.
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WNBA star Brittney Griner released from Russian custody in a high-profile prisoner swap (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 OP
Great news! Chicago1980 Dec 2022 #1
HOORAY!!! 2naSalit Dec 2022 #2
Another victory for newdayneeded Dec 2022 #3
Feeble ol' Joe Biden, continuing to get things done. Paladin Dec 2022 #4
I'm so proud of my President and his people. Botany Dec 2022 #8
Great news Traildogbob Dec 2022 #5
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #10
It is one thing about fire arms. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #16
Ronald Reagan Traildogbob Dec 2022 #21
But is it worth it? The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #25
I agree with you Traildogbob Dec 2022 #34
"We armed Iraq Pre Saddam" Did we though? EX500rider Dec 2022 #58
You're right ThunderRoad Dec 2022 #60
Maybe you're thinking of the Iran-Contra deal. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2022 #65
Well, they say that Putin said it was her or no one TexasBushwhacker Dec 2022 #23
He had already served 11 of his 25 years, it's not like he got off scot-free. thesquanderer Dec 2022 #44
Makes me wonder what "letters" he wrote and sent. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #46
Dude has been in prison for 15 years Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #53
I have to agree. tonekat Dec 2022 #66
really great news... Javaman Dec 2022 #6
Over on Breaking Points they said a fellow prisoner womanofthehills Dec 2022 #68
I'm happy for Griner. hamsterjill Dec 2022 #7
YAY! So happy for her! Thanks, President Biden!! nt babylonsister Dec 2022 #9
Awesome 👍👍👍 Anon-C Dec 2022 #11
Oh Thank God Marthe48 Dec 2022 #12
The Biden Administration gets things done! dlk Dec 2022 #13
Wonderful! But take a moment to remember Paul Phelan? Hortensis Dec 2022 #14
Do you think if Biden had the opportunity to get Whelan released mountain grammy Dec 2022 #19
Biden offered a 1 for 2 TexasBushwhacker Dec 2022 #26
It seems we're never satisfied mountain grammy Dec 2022 #31
Agreed, and we might just recapture the Russian we released housecat Dec 2022 #45
I'm speaking of US and OUR reactions. Hortensis Dec 2022 #48
Remembering...what is Ukraines response to release of international arms dealer? Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #38
The U.S. is the biggest arms dealer in the world BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #41
Yes, there are some suspicious minds arm supplying more than just weapons? And more than Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #42
This is wonderful news. mountain grammy Dec 2022 #15
Sorry, but terrible precedent. Terrorist supplier for a civilian. oldsoftie Dec 2022 #17
So Joe should have just left Griner to rot in that prison camp? Really? ShazzieB Dec 2022 #63
But the other guy was left. That's no good. Now we have no more cards in our hand. dem4decades Dec 2022 #18
Oh sure. But we also had absolutely no leverage. bearsfootball516 Dec 2022 #28
Guy is international arms dealer. At time of 🇷🇺 Ukraine war. 🤔 Ukraine part of negotiations? Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #39
Agreed. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #29
Not a 100% perfect transaction, you say? Paladin Dec 2022 #33
That is wonderful news! ellie Dec 2022 #20
The Obama administration worked DAMN hard to have Bout extradited. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #22
He had served almost half his sentence already BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #27
I do get that. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #30
Some have argued BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #36
Exchanging arms dealers for basketball stars sets precedent Hopefully not repeated. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #40
Don't forget, Biden was part of that administration. ShazzieB Dec 2022 #61
From Paul Whelsn's brother LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #24
Thank God!! honest.abe Dec 2022 #32
Excellent! Seems like a first step towards Ukraine negotiations underpants Dec 2022 #35
I'm sure that is part of it BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #37
Yes, but other steps before this one. Why we always last to know?!! 🤔 Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #49
What? Why? So the rest of the world doesn't end up knowing, which could put the kibosh on things. ancianita Dec 2022 #56
+1! ShazzieB Dec 2022 #62
I don't like to use sarcasm emoji, it's a thing with some. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #69
I called this one ripcord Dec 2022 #43
Oh, Yay! TY President Biden! And ... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #47
Good for her sarisataka Dec 2022 #50
Freepers are losing their minds over this IronLionZion Dec 2022 #51
victor bout is a colossal piece of shit. Javaman Dec 2022 #52
Bout has been in jail for 15 years Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #54
I doubt it - he had Putin's picture up in his jail cell - he knows where his bread is buttered womanofthehills Dec 2022 #70
You have a limited number of countries producing the tech that would be desirable BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #55
Brittney Griner release: How the White House says it happened Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2022 #57
So Russia got the better end of the deal! whistler162 Dec 2022 #59
You don't know that for a fact. ShazzieB Dec 2022 #64
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #67

Botany

(77,315 posts)
8. I'm so proud of my President and his people.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:25 AM
Dec 2022

Quite negotiations by grown ups from team Biden.

"A White House official said President Biden was in the Oval Office Thursday morning on the phone, speaking with
Griner and her wife, and that Vice President Kamala Harris was also in the room."

Leadership!!!!

Welcome home Brittney Griner.

Traildogbob

(13,017 posts)
5. Great news
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:18 AM
Dec 2022

I don’t wanna hear a damn work from the right about releasing a horrible arms dealer. America is one big damned arms dealer. 2nd amendment. NRA is the biggest damn arms dealer on the planet.
Welcome home Brittany.

Response to Traildogbob (Reply #5)

The Grand Illuminist

(2,038 posts)
16. It is one thing about fire arms.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:15 AM
Dec 2022

It's another when it comes to mortars, missiles and rockets. I wanted her released as well, but this trade makes no sense and will look very bad in the long run.

Traildogbob

(13,017 posts)
21. Ronald Reagan
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:37 AM
Dec 2022

We are arms dealers of exactly the type you mention. We armed Iraq Pre Sadam, just to mention one. We had one option to free her. It was this or nothing. Read the statement the Whelan family sent to Fox News. He was sentenced while trump was in his second year. Tell me what trump did to free him. And trump gave Putin every damn thing he dreamed of. Still is.
I would like to trade our “spies” Tucker, Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, and all trumps for one prisoner they are holding as a spy.
GQP will certainly make it look bad, read Jr’s post this AM. A drug addled, Gay Black women for an arms dealer. You can bet that’s just the start.
Bravo Joe. And the Whelan family standing by the release. More work to do. Biden will not give Putin the kitchen sink for his presidency. Trump held all the cards to release most of those captive. Did nothing.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,038 posts)
25. But is it worth it?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:44 AM
Dec 2022

As I said on post 22, the Obama administration did everything to assure Bout extradition from Bangkok to the states and congress made sure it was top priority.

Traildogbob

(13,017 posts)
34. I agree with you
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:09 AM
Dec 2022

It’s a tough decision. But the only option. I do not believe him being in our prison has stopped a single bullet from being sold to rogue regimes. His spot was filled instantly. I do not believe he will go and open a Missiles R-Us Store right away. We have BlackWaTer with Devos’ spawn arming insurgents world wide. And probably have sold RPG’s to Three Percenters and Oath Keepers and other American Terrorists groups. Dealing with world terrorist dictators is more of a give than take
To accomplish anything. Putin holds all the cards, as is obvious in his envision of Ukraine. We can not do what should be done or we risk world disaster. Sucks to be held hostage by him, but he has the power. I am glad she has been freed. I hope Biden keeps his promise to do same for all of them. We have so many Russian Operatives to give him, but I do not want to hear a word from Fox, Trump, or Jr about the trade. When GQP gave Putin our country and got bit one American released.

EX500rider

(12,581 posts)
58. "We armed Iraq Pre Saddam" Did we though?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 04:38 PM
Dec 2022

Iraq had entirely Soviet based weapons from AK-47's to T-72 tanks to MIGS, what weapons did we supply exactly?

 

ThunderRoad

(28 posts)
60. You're right
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:32 PM
Dec 2022

You are right about that. It’s a common misperception that we armed Saddam. When the gulf war broke out Iraq’s military armaments were 97% acquired from Germany, Russia, China.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,764 posts)
65. Maybe you're thinking of the Iran-Contra deal.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:31 PM
Dec 2022

I don't think we sold them. Now the taliban...that's another story.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,202 posts)
23. Well, they say that Putin said it was her or no one
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:42 AM
Dec 2022

They were not willing to include Paul Whelan in the trade, at all. At least he's served half his sentence.

thesquanderer

(13,005 posts)
44. He had already served 11 of his 25 years, it's not like he got off scot-free.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:47 AM
Dec 2022

And all these years later (14 years since his arrest), the network of contacts etc. he operated within may no longer even exist. Either way, I doubt there was anyone keeping his seat warm. Hopefully, at 55, he's looking for a quieter life now.

Johnny2X2X

(24,203 posts)
53. Dude has been in prison for 15 years
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:24 PM
Dec 2022

He's not a threat anymore. And he would have been released eventually with no trade. This is basically early parole for him after he's served 15 years.

tonekat

(2,528 posts)
66. I have to agree.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:17 PM
Dec 2022

Did the U.S. play a major card for...a basketball player?

I know Americans live and die for sports but really? Call me cynical but this looks like pandering.

When Bout was sentenced, there was a lot of speculation he'd get life. He only got 25 years. Maybe we just didn't have all that much on him? Maybe he really isn't worth that much?

And, he predicted his release. He said he didn't know how, but he would get back to Russia when the US fell.

Javaman

(65,705 posts)
6. really great news...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:23 AM
Dec 2022

russia needed bout and his connections to procure more arms to fill up their dwindling supplies.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
68. Over on Breaking Points they said a fellow prisoner
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:34 PM
Dec 2022

Said he was in bad health - probably why Biden was ok with it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Wonderful! But take a moment to remember Paul Phelan?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:12 AM
Dec 2022

Arrested 4 years ago and sentenced to 14 years? And to consider the future victims of that famously dangerous criminal released back on humanity?

Russia kidnaps in order to extort prisoner exchanges or other concessions, and "confessions" are proof only that someone is in bad trouble. We do try to eventually bring our people home; but let's never forget that these prisoner exchanges involve serious costs that are borne by real people.

mountain grammy

(29,034 posts)
19. Do you think if Biden had the opportunity to get Whelan released
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:25 AM
Dec 2022

he would have refused in favor of Griner? Because that's what this sounds like to me.

President Biden will get whoever he can out of there. Of this I am 100% certain. For now I'm thrilled that Griner is out. I'm also 100% sure he is still working on getting Whelan out.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,202 posts)
26. Biden offered a 1 for 2
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:44 AM
Dec 2022

They were unwilling to release Whelan at all. It was Griner for Bout or no trade at all.

mountain grammy

(29,034 posts)
31. It seems we're never satisfied
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:58 AM
Dec 2022

and maybe we shouldn't be, but we must take every victory we can.

Yes, I'm absolutely certain the President did what he could and I am one grateful American.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. I'm speaking of US and OUR reactions.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:36 PM
Dec 2022

It's one thing to be glad for HER. We all are, including Whelan's octogenarian parents.

My thought isn't that Biden isn't doing what he should and can. The years of negotiations continue for 60yo Whelan. (And we're currently trying to get information on why he was hositalized last week and his condition. Last contact was Nov. 16.)

I'm talking about people like US, here on DU. What if Griner were an unknown, 60YO, straight, white woman? Whose parents, in their 80s, have been fearing for her health? Would she still get the same level and type of concern? From the same people?

Of course not. We're all real people too. But we do vote for and call for action on our concerns. Maybe now and then we should take a moment to examine them.

BumRushDaShow

(169,708 posts)
41. The U.S. is the biggest arms dealer in the world
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:27 AM
Dec 2022

Interesting how Ukraine ( "allegedly" ? ) successfully guided some kind of medium range drones right inside Russia and made mincemeat out of some bases. They certainly don't have hi-res satellites in geostationary (or otherwise) orbit to spot the needed locations, even with "special forces" who might be hiding in-country.

Ahem.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
42. Yes, there are some suspicious minds arm supplying more than just weapons? And more than
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:36 AM
Dec 2022

just the weapons splashed across tv screens in the Public News!

mountain grammy

(29,034 posts)
15. This is wonderful news.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:15 AM
Dec 2022

I have no doubt, absolutely no doubt, that Biden did what he could for all detained Americans. This was not a choice, one American or the other. They offered Griner, should Biiden have refused because he couldn't get others? Of course not!!!

Thank you President Biden for getting Brittany out. Hopefully more will follow.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
17. Sorry, but terrible precedent. Terrorist supplier for a civilian.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

Expect more kidnappings from others now.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
63. So Joe should have just left Griner to rot in that prison camp? Really?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 07:09 PM
Dec 2022

In effect, that's what your comment implies, because that's the only other choice Biden could have made.

If you don't think Joe was well aware of every single issue involved when he made the decision to do this, you are dead wrong. He's aware of a hell of a lot that we can only guess at, because we don't have access to a fraction of the information he has at his fingertips.

Not every decision a president has to make is easy, simple, clear-cut, or straightforward. Joe Biden has demonstrated time and time again that he knows exactly what he's doing, and I trust his judgment, because he has earned my trust.

dem4decades

(14,054 posts)
18. But the other guy was left. That's no good. Now we have no more cards in our hand.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

I think Russia made the better deal, sorry.

bearsfootball516

(6,711 posts)
28. Oh sure. But we also had absolutely no leverage.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:47 AM
Dec 2022

I can guarantee Russia and Putin didn't care if Bout came home or if he spent the rest of his life in jail. We were the ones actively trying to get Griner home. We were always going to have to give up something pretty big.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
39. Guy is international arms dealer. At time of 🇷🇺 Ukraine war. 🤔 Ukraine part of negotiations?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:18 AM
Dec 2022
 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
33. Not a 100% perfect transaction, you say?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:08 AM
Dec 2022
Guess we better start impeachment proceedings against Biden. Might as well, he's old.

(Sarcasm smilie included, because it's so obviously necessary on this thread.)

The Grand Illuminist

(2,038 posts)
22. The Obama administration worked DAMN hard to have Bout extradited.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:37 AM
Dec 2022

With bipartisan congessional letter to Holder and Clinton to make it top priority. Not good.

BumRushDaShow

(169,708 posts)
27. He had served almost half his sentence already
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:47 AM
Dec 2022

There are Obama admini people (including the former VP, now President) who know far more than we do about the behind the scenes.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,038 posts)
30. I do get that.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:53 AM
Dec 2022

But I can not help feeling like we swapped Brittney Griner for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

BumRushDaShow

(169,708 posts)
36. Some have argued
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:13 AM
Dec 2022

that if this paternalistic country paid professional women sports figures the same that they paid men, then these women wouldn't need to be traveling around the world playing for different countries in the WNBA off-season (which is what she was doing) to try to make up for a fraction of what men get for what is about 6 months of playing (if they even play at all and are just sitting on the bench most of the time).

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
40. Exchanging arms dealers for basketball stars sets precedent Hopefully not repeated.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:21 AM
Dec 2022

Can’t help feeling Russia must have conceded something else in this deal, something directly related to the war?

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
61. Don't forget, Biden was part of that administration.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 06:38 PM
Dec 2022

I'm sure he's well aware of everything that went into that. He knows stuff we can only guess at. He made a tough decision here, which is what he gets paid to do. I trust his judgment.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
56. What? Why? So the rest of the world doesn't end up knowing, which could put the kibosh on things.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:00 PM
Dec 2022

Same reason we aren't privy to lots of behind the scenes stuff -- some of which is good secrecy, and some of which is bad secrecy. We can't give our advise & consent to things that are fluid in the big world's foreign arena. I'm glad we've got a rule of law democratic system with quality leaders to handle such things.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
62. +1!
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 06:47 PM
Dec 2022

There are some things "we" aren't meant to know and don't need to know. This is one of them.

Expecting complete transparency in every single thing the government does is wildly unrealistic, especially when it comes to things like high level negotiations with world leaders.

I'm glad we've got a rule of law democratic system with quality leaders to handle such things.

Amen to this. I am SO glad we have someone as knowledgeable, wise, seasoned, experienced, and trustworthy as Joe Biden in the driver's seat!
 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
43. I called this one
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:44 AM
Dec 2022

I have said from the beginning that Griner would be freed and Whelan would be left behind again. Griner has been the focus of the prisoner swap from the beginning while Whelan was an afterthought even though he has been in a labor camp for 4 years and is currently hospitalized there.

Javaman

(65,705 posts)
52. victor bout is a colossal piece of shit.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:20 PM
Dec 2022

the movie, "lord of war" is loosely based on him.

pooty wants him back to broker arms deals for russia. his failed war in Ukraine is using up munitions at a high rate. he needs bout to find him some more bombs and drones.

Johnny2X2X

(24,203 posts)
54. Bout has been in jail for 15 years
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:25 PM
Dec 2022

How much help is he really going to be now?

And he was selling stolen Russian weapons to groups around the world. Russia might end up executing him.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
70. I doubt it - he had Putin's picture up in his jail cell - he knows where his bread is buttered
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 03:32 AM
Dec 2022

Marina Butina interviewed Viktor Bout a few days ago on RT- it's on Rumble. Weird interview.

BumRushDaShow

(169,708 posts)
55. You have a limited number of countries producing the tech that would be desirable
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:28 PM
Dec 2022

The U.S. (and its allies in the EU), Russia itself (and all its auxiliaries like Iran, Syria, and Cuba), China, and then possibly Israel.

And right now China is sitting there patiently waiting for Russia to collapse itself so they can take over (once they deal with their pesky zero-COVID thing - which is suddenly happening).

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,693 posts)
57. Brittney Griner release: How the White House says it happened
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 04:16 PM
Dec 2022

The White House on Thursday disclosed additional details about how President Joe Biden and administration officials were able to secure WNBA star Brittney Griner's release and return from Russia.

White House spokesperson John Kirby told reporters that the deal "really came to fruition in the last week or so."

-snip-

But the deal was the product of months and months of a painstaking negotiation effort from across the U.S. government, including officials at the highest levels engaging directly with Russia.

Here's the inside story of how it happened:

-more-

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brittney-griner-release-how-the-white-house-says-it-happened/ar-AA1543xw

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
64. You don't know that for a fact.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 07:21 PM
Dec 2022

None of us does, because we don't have access to a fraction of the information we would need to be able to make that determination.

Biden weighed the vast amount of information that is available to him and used his own very astute judgment to make an extremely tough choice. After watching him in action these last 2 years, I trust his judgment and because I am aware that he knows a fuck ton of stuff that I don't know.

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