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Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:00 PM Dec 2022

US citizen Anne Sacoolas handed suspended sentence for causing death of British teenager Harry Dunn

Source: CNN

By Amy Cassidy, Ivana Kottasová and Barbie Latza Nadeau, CNN
Updated 12:44 PM EST, Thu December 8, 2022

London
CNN

American citizen Anne Sacoolas was sentenced to eight months imprisonment, suspended for 12 months, at the Old Bailey in London for causing the death of British teenager Harry Dunn in a fatal traffic collision in August 2019, meaning she will not have to go to jail.

Sacoolas pleaded guilty in October to causing death by careless driving, punishable by up to five years in prison.

She admitted to driving on the wrong side of the road when she hit the 19-year-old motorcyclist outside a US military base in England, where her husband worked as a US diplomat.

Harry Dunn’s mother Charlotte Charles, who has spent more than three years campaigning for justice for her son, told the court that the family was determined his death “will not be in vain.”

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/08/uk/anne-sacoolas-sentencing-harry-dunn-death-intl-gbr/index.html

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US citizen Anne Sacoolas handed suspended sentence for causing death of British teenager Harry Dunn (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2022 OP
No jail time for killing a person Mysterian Dec 2022 #1
Its common here in the US melm00se Dec 2022 #2
If you want to kill someone, just do it with your car. NYC Liberal Dec 2022 #3
Want? Sneederbunk Dec 2022 #4
What does frogmarch Dec 2022 #5
It means she can remain free in the US no jail FredGarvin Dec 2022 #7
It means she has to stay out of trouble with the law for 12 months Emrys Dec 2022 #13
Good that she was finally sentenced Warpy Dec 2022 #6
This is true, but Britain hardly counts as a "corrupt government," malthaussen Dec 2022 #8
Nope, but diplomatic immunity extending to family is universal Warpy Dec 2022 #11
There is no 'International Driving Licence' - One is issued a driving licence by one's home country GoneOffShore Dec 2022 #14
if you are connected. republianmushroom Dec 2022 #9
They gave her diplomatic immunity, am I right? FakeNoose Dec 2022 #10
It is a very high profile case. James48 Dec 2022 #12

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
2. Its common here in the US
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:37 PM
Dec 2022

if you know any bikers, ask them, they'll tell you about folks turning left in front of or right thru a biker and the offender catching just a ticket or, at worst, a misdemeanor what gets pleaded down to a violation.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
3. If you want to kill someone, just do it with your car.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:38 PM
Dec 2022

I also like how she didn’t kill him, she “caused his death.”

Emrys

(7,254 posts)
13. It means she has to stay out of trouble with the law for 12 months
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 01:19 AM
Dec 2022

or she faces the sentence of 8 months' imprisonment in addition to any sentence for her later crime.

She was also banned from driving for a year.

Both sentences are bit ludicrous because she's not resident in the UK, so unless she visits, any crime she may commit that might trigger the suspended sentence won't fall under UK jurisdiction. The driving ban also only applies to the UK. So, although she might feel some anguish and genuine remorse, she gets a slap on the wrist and a British police record, and that's all.

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
6. Good that she was finally sentenced
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 04:39 PM
Dec 2022

I hope she loses her international driver's license for good, she needs to.

I understand the need for diplomatic immunity for family members, expulsion being the only remedy if they commit serious crimes. Having a video trial and guilty plea followed by a suspended sentence is actually more than she could have been compelled to do by either country.

It always feels unfair to victims of crimes and their families when perps are expelled instead of tried and jailed. Long experience with diplomacy in less civilized countries has taught us that corrupt governments don't shrink from imprisoning families on false charges to pressure diplomats. There's a good reason behind the unfairness of it all.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
8. This is true, but Britain hardly counts as a "corrupt government,"
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 07:30 PM
Dec 2022

... although it's getting there. That there is no flexibility in the system is a bug, not a feature.

-- Mal

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
11. Nope, but diplomatic immunity extending to family is universal
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:22 PM
Dec 2022

because governments have been known to change radically and quickly.

I think it was resolved this way precisely because the UK government is still trustworthy, although it won't be unless they stop voting for all those damned Tories.

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
14. There is no 'International Driving Licence' - One is issued a driving licence by one's home country
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 05:05 AM
Dec 2022

The 'International Driving Licence' is a document that is merely a translation of your state issued licence. It has no legal standing as a state document ('state' here meaning 'government').

I had to exchange my Pennsylvania licence for a French 'permis' within my first year of residence in France. When I lived in the UK, I had to pass the driving test there after 6 months.

Perhaps you mean that her privilege to drive in the US should be suspended. This would prevent her from driving anywhere, legally.

FakeNoose

(32,714 posts)
10. They gave her diplomatic immunity, am I right?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 08:53 PM
Dec 2022

I hope this can be rectified by a civil lawsuit in civil court.

It's not the same thing, but at least the parents would receive some justice.



James48

(4,438 posts)
12. It is a very high profile case.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:53 PM
Dec 2022

There were allegations she was actually a working CIA agent or something like that- and that her husband was working for intel somehow. It was all a very big mess.

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