Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:08 PM
SouthernDem4ever (2,497 posts)
Vatican defrocks Frank Pavone, anti-abortion activist and priest, over social media posts
Source: USA Today
The Vatican has defrocked Frank Pavone, a high-profile anti-abortion American priest, over “blasphemous communications on social media” and “persistent disobedience” of his bishop, according to news reports Sunday. The Vatican removed Pavone from the priesthood Nov. 9 and there is no chance for him to appeal his dismissal, according to a letter to U.S. bishops from Christophe Pierre, the Vatican ambassador to the U.S. The letter was first reported by Catholic News Agency. Pavone, founder of anti-abortion group Priests for Life, frequently posts on social media about politics and abortion, largely in support of former President Donald J. Trump and the Republican party's anti-abortion platform. The Vatican said it provided Pavone "ample opportunity" to defend himself, but he provided "no reasonable justification for his actions," according to the letter. Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/12/18/priests-life-founder-frank-pavone-removed-vatican/10921387002/ I guess the Catholic church is getting tired of being used as pawns by repuglicans.
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SouthernDem4ever | Dec 2022 | OP |
BOSSHOG | Dec 2022 | #1 | |
Talitha | Dec 2022 | #2 | |
Grimelle | Dec 2022 | #15 | |
Name removed | Dec 2022 | #3 | |
Tetrachloride | Dec 2022 | #4 | |
Igel | Dec 2022 | #5 | |
NullTuples | Dec 2022 | #6 | |
peppertree | Dec 2022 | #7 | |
3Hotdogs | Dec 2022 | #12 | |
peppertree | Dec 2022 | #17 | |
drmeow | Dec 2022 | #8 | |
IronLionZion | Dec 2022 | #9 | |
Warpy | Dec 2022 | #10 | |
PlutosHeart | Dec 2022 | #11 | |
onetexan | Dec 2022 | #14 | |
Lonestarblue | Dec 2022 | #13 | |
orangecrush | Dec 2022 | #16 | |
scipan | Dec 2022 | #18 | |
SouthernDem4ever | Dec 2022 | #22 | |
TomSlick | Dec 2022 | #19 | |
GenThePerservering | Dec 2022 | #20 | |
Red Mountain | Dec 2022 | #21 |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:16 PM
BOSSHOG (33,027 posts)
1. The last paragraph
Applies to any MAGA Republican and any Catholic who has no respect for the separation of church and state. Let’s do away with the separation of church and state and turn loose the assessors. Would Pope Francis have a chat with his zealots?
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:17 PM
Talitha (5,652 posts)
2. How long before 'ole Frank runs for office?
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:35 PM
Tetrachloride (5,525 posts)
4. Texas and Florida
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:37 PM
Igel (33,511 posts)
5. Internal.
He defiled the altar and defied his superiors.
He also put his parish's secular rights and privileges at risk. |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:55 PM
NullTuples (5,117 posts)
6. Why was he never charged for owning a fetus, the one he used as a prop during his sermon?
It was kind of a big deal a few years ago but I've checked and somehow Texas police never thought to charge him?
Who cares about what happens between lower and upper members of an organization. It's what happens when someone breaks the law that matters. Far too often the RCC is allowed to handle actual lawbreaking "internally". Imagine if other organizations were allowed to do such a thing! |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 11:06 PM
peppertree (18,882 posts)
7. Francis must have gotten a kick out of defrocking this one.
'Pavone' in Argentina (actually, 'Pavón') means big turkey or moron.
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Response to peppertree (Reply #7)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 01:25 AM
3Hotdogs (10,050 posts)
12. Or gavone, in Italian.
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 11:17 PM
drmeow (4,649 posts)
8. I'm sure there's a place
in Westboro Baptist Church for him
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 11:25 PM
IronLionZion (42,003 posts)
9. The unborn are an easy excuse to support policies that screw the born
Priests should not be openly political for any party or candidate.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 12:42 AM
Warpy (106,479 posts)
10. Good, glad Francis is paying atttention
to what the frocked misogynists are up to besides church sanctioned misogyny.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 12:44 AM
PlutosHeart (327 posts)
11. Wow. Super bold.
American Right-Wing Catholics have been giving the Church a really bad name. Causing a major split. Am impressed this happened.
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Response to PlutosHeart (Reply #11)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 05:47 AM
onetexan (11,721 posts)
14. Not merely enough. The american wing of the catholic church is not in lock step with the vatican
Its leadership the bishops and cardinals overwhelmingly promote RW agenda and tolerate discrimination of minorities and LGBTQ+ communities. Francis is a great man & pope. The organization he leads, however, is systemically flawed & corrupt.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 03:17 AM
Lonestarblue (7,359 posts)
13. I wish we could "defrock" the right-wing Catholics on the Supreme Court and kick them out..
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 11:42 AM
orangecrush (16,429 posts)
16. Boot 'em out, Frank!
My Pope was a bouncer before his present vocation. True fact Show them the door, Frank. |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 05:30 PM
scipan (1,655 posts)
18. More info
An outspoken supporter of former president Donald Trump, Pavone served on official Trump campaign outreach positions in 2016 and was originally a co-chair of Trump’s 2020 pro-life coalition, as well as an advisory board member of Catholics for Trump. Canon law forbids clerics from having an active role in political parties unless they receive the permission of their bishop.
In November 2016, Pavone filmed a video at the Priests for Life headquarters, urging support for Trump. The video was staged with the body of an aborted baby laid before Pavone on what appeared to be an altar. ( It was given to him to be buried)...snip... Pavone also reportedly tweeted that he would hear the confession of a Catholic who votes Democrat, “but we are trained that in the absence of repentance, absolution has to be withheld.” In response, the Amarillo Diocese issued a statement disavowing Pavone’s comments, saying he used “scandalous words not becoming of a Catholic priest.” https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253106/vatican-dismisses-father-frank-pavone-from-priesthood |
Response to scipan (Reply #18)
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 08:51 AM
SouthernDem4ever (2,497 posts)
22. A great example of religion gone wild
Of course, we could add to that every TV and Crystal Palace type preacher as well.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 08:46 PM
TomSlick (10,276 posts)
19. I'm not Catholic but my understand is that a priest's vows include a vow of obedience.
It would appear the Holy See takes that vow seriously.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 01:58 AM
GenThePerservering (741 posts)
20. I wish Francis would live forever
He's a good man.
As for Pavone - ptttthhhh! De-pants him as well! |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 07:59 AM
Red Mountain (1,346 posts)
21. It would be nice
If they could recall him to Rome and stick him in a remote monastery somewhere to brush up on his obedience.
For a long, long time. |