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highplainsdem

(62,095 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:21 PM Dec 2022

White House to Jim Jordan, James Comer: Sorry, but you have to restart your oversight requests

Source: Politico

The Biden White House launched its first major broadside in response to incoming House Republicans likely to spearhead aggressive oversight of the administration.

A top lawyer for the president pledged in letters to those members that the administration would operate in good faith with them. But he also said that oversight demands made by congressional Republicans during the last Congress would have to be started over.

In respective letters to Reps. James Comer (R-Ky) and Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), White House Special Counsel Richard Sauber said that the Biden administration had no immediate plans to respond to a slew of records requests that both men made the past several weeks. In those letters, obtained exclusively by POLITICO, Sauber described such requests as constitutionally illegitimate because both Jordan, who is expected to chair the House Judiciary Committee, and Comer, who is expected to head the Oversight Committee, made them before they had any authority to do so.

“Congress has not delegated such [oversight] authority to individual members of Congress who are not committee chairmen, and the House has not done so under its current Rules,” wrote Sauber, one of the White House’s top oversight lawyers.

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Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/29/jim-jordan-james-comer-oversight-requests-00075710

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White House to Jim Jordan, James Comer: Sorry, but you have to restart your oversight requests (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 2022 OP
LOVE IT! elleng Dec 2022 #1
I love it, too. Laughed out loud when I saw this story. highplainsdem Dec 2022 #4
Same here PatSeg Dec 2022 #36
I like it when lawyers split hairs Marthe48 Dec 2022 #2
It didn't require much splitting. LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #26
No, it didn't Marthe48 Dec 2022 #29
Right, and implementing and enforcing laws elleng Dec 2022 #42
Re your 2nd sentence NJCher Dec 2022 #52
Use every legal technicality you can throw at those traitors. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #3
Cue the appearance on Fox for fake outrage and a loving blanket of lies to cover the nothingburger. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #5
Then they should stall out each request as much as possible. Watch them howl! machoneman Dec 2022 #6
Yes. If McGann and others could get away with refusing a legal subpoena for three years, the Biden Lonestarblue Dec 2022 #12
Recall how Trump Administration wouldn't cooperate with incoming Biden Administration bucolic_frolic Dec 2022 #7
Jordan is steaming like a little tea kettle... Historic NY Dec 2022 #8
WELL, at least Jordan might not actually be leading committees after a short while... TigressDem Dec 2022 #9
some, not all of them can say it was just a vote. some are actual co conspirators certainot Dec 2022 #18
MAGA idiots jumped the gun. Their philosophy doesn't believe in regulations, the law, or Martin68 Dec 2022 #10
Although.. possibly like the peaceful transfer of power with pRez that tRUMP refused Biden.... TigressDem Dec 2022 #11
Thje biden asministration will indeed be forced to cooperate with Congressional investigations Martin68 Dec 2022 #46
Riiight? TigressDem Dec 2022 #51
Since Biden knows this will be coming back down the pike, he can get a head start on gathering. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #56
What did Joe say to a Florida Mayor after a MAJOR Hurricane? ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2022 #13
Nice 😀 CentralMass Dec 2022 #14
they should explain a few months after the next batch comes in that major the dog ate them certainot Dec 2022 #15
"Aggressive oversight" is what they're calling Harker Dec 2022 #16
If MTG or Boebert write up subpoenas and requests TlalocW Dec 2022 #17
LOVE IT! OMGWTF Dec 2022 #28
what I do know llashram Dec 2022 #19
President Biden certainly wasn't born yesterday, was he? calimary Dec 2022 #32
"Executive Privilege" for two years. 33taw Dec 2022 #20
That's cool Turbineguy Dec 2022 #21
Measuring drapes (and all that) ahead of big expectations Zambero Dec 2022 #22
Just ignore them. They ignored our committees? pwb Dec 2022 #23
Cut & paste. Marcuse Dec 2022 #24
like it republianmushroom Dec 2022 #25
Fk them up at each and every opportunity. OMGWTF Dec 2022 #27
Will Biden respond to the inevitable subpoena on Day 1? TheRickles Dec 2022 #30
They like the titles that go with the jobs. Delmette2.0 Dec 2022 #31
Republicans have no respect for laws, and, frankly, no interest in democracy. n/t Beartracks Dec 2022 #35
I agree with your point. Delmette2.0 Dec 2022 #37
highplainsdem Upthevibe Dec 2022 #33
Why didn't they just ignore the requests? Let them stew, spew and then read them the rules Raven123 Dec 2022 #34
Because rubbing their ignorance and arrogance in their faces is more fun? niyad Dec 2022 #40
Hehehe sakabatou Dec 2022 #38
I hope Dark Brandon gives them a lot of grief in the next two years. ificandream Dec 2022 #39
The good thing was the white house got an early look Captain Zero Dec 2022 #43
And ignore summons too, it seemed like a lot of these thugs in and out of the republican camp SWBTATTReg Dec 2022 #41
Jordan named True Blue American Dec 2022 #44
Wow, he is DEEPLY in it, isn't he? ShazzieB Dec 2022 #45
Drooling magats jumped Cha Dec 2022 #47
Pound sand. Biden has precedence from the previous administration. paleotn Dec 2022 #48
So the White house did a Pelosi ornotna Dec 2022 #49
Republicans rage over White House plans to slow investigations LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #50
Gym is not even an Attorney. He graduated, True Blue American Dec 2022 #53
Gym is too stupid to pass the bar LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #55
It demonstrates their utter arrogance and entitlement to make demands with no authority to do so Novara Dec 2022 #54

PatSeg

(53,211 posts)
36. Same here
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 02:52 PM
Dec 2022

This White House knows what it's doing. Amateurs like Jordan and Comer are no match for them.

Marthe48

(23,169 posts)
2. I like it when lawyers split hairs
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:25 PM
Dec 2022

and I really like it's right in gym's face. Or any other time and money squandering wastes of human flesh pretending to work for my country, but don't.

Marthe48

(23,169 posts)
29. No, it didn't
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 01:57 PM
Dec 2022

I have become attentive to the legal arguments I hear on MSNBC or read about here. Some of those remind me of "what your definition of is, is" (Thank you Bill Clinton)

Telling gym what the law is and what his powers right now are, reminds me of idiots going off half cocked and ignorant of the naked truth.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
42. Right, and implementing and enforcing laws
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 04:48 PM
Dec 2022

are what we DO, our JOBs! (Even I, a retired lawyer, remember THAT much!

NJCher

(43,145 posts)
52. Re your 2nd sentence
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 04:16 AM
Dec 2022

I think that’s called not doing your job on company (or in this case gubmint) time. 😀

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
5. Cue the appearance on Fox for fake outrage and a loving blanket of lies to cover the nothingburger.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:26 PM
Dec 2022

Lonestarblue

(13,470 posts)
12. Yes. If McGann and others could get away with refusing a legal subpoena for three years, the Biden
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:47 PM
Dec 2022

administration can stall for a couple of years.

bucolic_frolic

(55,109 posts)
7. Recall how Trump Administration wouldn't cooperate with incoming Biden Administration
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:29 PM
Dec 2022

Tit for tat, dat.

TigressDem

(5,126 posts)
9. WELL, at least Jordan might not actually be leading committees after a short while...
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

IF all the co-conspirators get yanked out of their seats.... we might be down 147 reTHUGS.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html

Martin68

(27,717 posts)
10. MAGA idiots jumped the gun. Their philosophy doesn't believe in regulations, the law, or
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

constitutional requirements. But they are just performing for their insane audience, so I guess it makes no difference. They will point to requirements that they follow the law as efforts to stall or obstruct their investigation, and their followers will believe them. Great for fund-raising.

TigressDem

(5,126 posts)
11. Although.. possibly like the peaceful transfer of power with pRez that tRUMP refused Biden....
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:45 PM
Dec 2022

It could be that during the change after an election if the incoming group were doing legitimate requests so they could hit the ground running, they would exchange information.

tRUMP refused to bring Biden up to speed.

AND since the main thing these people want to do is investigate Biden, why should he cooperate with their sham ploys?


IF they truly wanted to do something good for the people, if they had real ideas for progress, he'd probably support them.


Martin68

(27,717 posts)
46. Thje biden asministration will indeed be forced to cooperate with Congressional investigations
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 07:26 PM
Dec 2022

initiated by Republicans - but only when they are conducted according to the letter of the law. Their stupid mistake in this instance was to issue subpoenas before they were even legally in office.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
56. Since Biden knows this will be coming back down the pike, he can get a head start on gathering.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:08 AM
Dec 2022

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,892 posts)
13. What did Joe say to a Florida Mayor after a MAJOR Hurricane?
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 12:52 PM
Dec 2022

"Nobody FUCKS with a Biden."

The Administration so eloquently said that to James Comer and Gym Jordan, but not in those words.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
15. they should explain a few months after the next batch comes in that major the dog ate them
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 01:02 PM
Dec 2022

Harker

(17,777 posts)
16. "Aggressive oversight" is what they're calling
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 01:02 PM
Dec 2022

"stupid, absurd, incoherent, self-aggrandizing bullshit" now?

TlalocW

(15,675 posts)
17. If MTG or Boebert write up subpoenas and requests
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 01:04 PM
Dec 2022

Biden's staff should go through them with a red pen, marking all the various spelling, grammar, and procedural mistakes with copious notes, returning them saying, "We honestly have no idea what you're asking. Try again. D-."

llashram

(6,269 posts)
19. what I do know
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 01:13 PM
Dec 2022

President Biden has been in politics since he was 29 years old. If anyone knows how to 'cut the hateful republicans a new one' he and his administration know how to do it. Yeah, the repthugs will try to sow more division and racial, sexist, homophobic discord.

WE WILL PREVAIL.

calimary

(89,980 posts)
32. President Biden certainly wasn't born yesterday, was he?
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 02:21 PM
Dec 2022

This is nowhere near some first go-round.

They’re underestimating him again. But that’s how that hapless bunch rolls with this President.

Zambero

(9,986 posts)
22. Measuring drapes (and all that) ahead of big expectations
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 01:30 PM
Dec 2022

does not confer majority status on a retroactive basis. I don't recall President-elect Biden, as one who has respected norms and long-standing rules, issuing a slew of Post-dated executive orders in advance of taking office. The gap between delusion and political decorum is a stark one.

Delmette2.0

(4,501 posts)
31. They like the titles that go with the jobs.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 02:18 PM
Dec 2022

They just don't know the rules and laws that go with the responsibility.

They only know how to throw out BS and sit back and wait for someone to point out their mistakes.

Captain Zero

(8,902 posts)
43. The good thing was the white house got an early look
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 04:49 PM
Dec 2022

If these idiots just ship back the same requests then the WH is prepared, actually ahead of them with plans on how to deal with them.



They tipped their hand sending it over early, before they had the authority. Dumbasses.

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
41. And ignore summons too, it seemed like a lot of these thugs in and out of the republican camp
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 04:45 PM
Dec 2022

ignored summons and/or subpoenas too, such as Mark Meadows ignoring his from the J6 committee.

ShazzieB

(22,578 posts)
45. Wow, he is DEEPLY in it, isn't he?
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 06:42 PM
Dec 2022

In over his head. If I was in his shoes, I'd be very worried. Of course, I'd never be in his shoes, because I'm not a conniving Republican crook, but still.

paleotn

(22,206 posts)
48. Pound sand. Biden has precedence from the previous administration.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:16 PM
Dec 2022

Even when they chair committees, tell them to go fuck themselves. Sideways if necessary.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,756 posts)
50. Republicans rage over White House plans to slow investigations
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:19 PM
Dec 2022

Gym Jordan and company are pissed at President Biden and the White House for not agreeing to ignore the law so that Gym and company start their witch hunts early.

I am glad that President Biden and the White House are going to stand up to and fight Gym and his fellow assholes



https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/29/republicans-rage-over-white-house-plans-to-slow-investigations-00075836

House Republicans are fuming over a recent White House move that will slow roll their investigations, but leaders say it doesn’t change their game plan.

While the House GOP has spent weeks detailing its planned investigations into the Biden administration now that the party has a majority, the White House has stayed mostly silent on strategy. That changed Thursday morning, when White House Special Counsel Richard Sauber announced he plans to effectively reset the clock come Jan. 3 and ignore the long list of investigative requests already sent by Republican Reps. James Comer of Kentucky and Jim Jordan of Ohio — the incoming chairs for the Oversight and Judiciary Committees, respectively.

It’s an explosive start to a chapter that won’t even officially begin until next week. The relationship between House Republicans and the Biden White House seemed doomed to go sour from the start, but it’s an unmistakable signal that Biden’s administration won’t quietly go along with investigations — some of which it has openly deemed little more than political noise.


“At every turn the Biden White House seeks to obstruct congressional oversight and hide information from the American people,” Comer said in a statement.

House Republicans were quick to clarify that their investigative plans, which have been in the works for months and have included strategy meetings with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, are moving forward regardless of the White House’s position. Comer said in an interview that he had already planned to reissue all of his information requests quickly in the new Congress, including for interviews and documents related to Hunter Biden’s business deals, last year’s Afghanistan withdrawal and the administration’s handling of the pandemic. The White House’s newly articulated position would be little more than a short delay of that process, he noted.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
54. It demonstrates their utter arrogance and entitlement to make demands with no authority to do so
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:45 AM
Dec 2022

I wish the letter would have somehow referenced that.

But the entire campaign of the orange motherfucker was already acting as a shadow presidency in 2016 in violation of the Logan act before he assumed office, so there's your arrogant precedent.


I keep telling people that even with a razor-thin 4-seat majority, the Rs will act like they have a mandate.

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