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BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 08:07 AM Jan 2023

McCarthy's bid for speaker to continue, says Trump backs him

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republicans will open the second day of the new Congress much like the first — with leader Kevin McCarthy trying to become House speaker despite losing in multiple rounds of voting that threw the new GOP majority into chaos.

It was the first time in 100 years that a nominee for House speaker could not take the gavel on the first vote, but McCarthy appeared undeterred. Instead, he vowed to fight to the finish, encouraged, he said, by former President Donald Trump to end the disarray and pull the Republican Party together.

The House is scheduled to convene Wednesday after the stalemate essentially forced all other business to a standstill, waiting on Republicans to elect a speaker. “Today, is that the day I wanted to have? No,” McCarthy told reporters late Tuesday at the Capitol after a series of closed-door meetings.

McCarthy said Trump wants him to stay in the race and told him to bring an end to the House Republican chaos and pull the party together. The former president “wants to see the Republicans united to be able to accomplish the exact things we said we’d do,” McCarthy said. Asked if he would drop out, McCarthy said, “It’s not going to happen.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/politics-united-states-government-us-republican-party-kevin-mccarthy-donald-trump-669e23dc963da9579ab10e4b3da78911



encouraged, he said, by former President Donald Trump to end the disarray


The sacred word appears again!

He has now quintupled down on 45-hugging.
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McCarthy's bid for speaker to continue, says Trump backs him (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 OP
Someone should have told Kevin gab13by13 Jan 2023 #1
+10000 SouthernDem4ever Jan 2023 #14
Trump told Kevin ancianita Jan 2023 #15
Morning Joe had fun with it today, playing the first 20 seconds catbyte Jan 2023 #2
LOL BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #3
"McCarthy's bid for speaker to continue, says Trump backs him" Botany Jan 2023 #4
"Dt backed" Mastriano, Lake, and Cha Jan 2023 #52
It'll be great to see McCarthy's bid collapse PJMcK Jan 2023 #5
Delusional Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #6
Trump's endorsement could be the kiss of death. hay rick Jan 2023 #7
Thing just as the media always dubs Democratic slim majorities BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #10
I do not see that as a viable strategy, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #16
Exactly BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #19
IF he wins over Jeffries, it's on a faked majority; his becomes minority rule posing as ancianita Jan 2023 #18
Some breaking news out right now BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #20
The clerk, Ms. Johnson, has just gaveled the session in. Watching CSPAN. ancianita Jan 2023 #27
Yup have had it on BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #29
No quorum. The clerk has ordered a count. ancianita Jan 2023 #28
That was Rebl2 Jan 2023 #13
what a mess tamtamp Jan 2023 #8
They should not get paid until they do some work. The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #9
Note to self: see if popcorn factory delivers. check liquor supply. delivery?? niyad Jan 2023 #11
It is my considered opinion that only a last minute cameo appearance by ANTIFAH can save McCarthy bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #12
Tie yourself to that boat anchor; Kev... EarthFirst Jan 2023 #17
So, BumRush, you're pretty knowledgeable. There's another thread on here that PatrickforB Jan 2023 #21
I've posted some comments about it in other threads BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #22
If McCarthy drags this out, Jeffries might just see 6 defectors just to get the 118th started. ancianita Jan 2023 #30
That's the danger of the drag out BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #31
McCarthy may ask to adjourn House until Thursday gatomedianoche Jan 2023 #23
Every day of speaker gridlock is a plus. hay rick Jan 2023 #25
'says Trump backs him'... presently? keithbvadu2 Jan 2023 #24
CSPAN posted a copy of his last Truth Social remark about 5 minutes ago BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #26
The loser has given repub's their orders for the day ! bobbyar Jan 2023 #55
Here we go. Quorum of 351 present out of the 435 elected membership. ancianita Jan 2023 #32
And Chip Roy takes another vote away nominating someone else BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #34
Right? ancianita Jan 2023 #35
And he already lost this vote while still in the "C"s BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #36
TWO standing ovations, with chants, for Hakeem Jeffries. This is just day two. ancianita Jan 2023 #33
DEMS ARE ALL PRESENT. rethugs are not. McCarthy goes down on the 4th, a 5th vote is now expected. ancianita Jan 2023 #37
... BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #38
So what's his path to a win today? I ask because I'm laughing so hard I can't think straight. ancianita Jan 2023 #39
He could still get 203/202 if the same 19/20 vote for Donalds and 212 go for Jeffries BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #40
I see. Same difference for McCarthy as yesterday. ancianita Jan 2023 #42
Except McCarthy lost a vote from Victoria Spartz (R-IN) voting "Present" BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #44
True. So I just heard that MTG said she'll vote for him. ancianita Jan 2023 #45
MTG HAS voted for him 4 times BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #46
AH. Thank you. I didn't know that. ancianita Jan 2023 #47
Am rofl at Boebert nominating Donalds for a vote along with McCarthy BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #48
Scalise is making a move, but a shift within the 20 doesn't seem to be happening. ancianita Jan 2023 #51
McCarthy is toast. BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #53
I see no one on the horizon. Not even Trump. 6th vote coming up. ancianita Jan 2023 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Jan 2023 #43
Jesus, a loser being back by a bigger loser. republianmushroom Jan 2023 #41
The 20 rethugs who keep voting against McCarthy. ancianita Jan 2023 #49
Vote number SIX and still holding: ancianita Jan 2023 #56
PAthetic, Squatter Kev! Cha Jan 2023 #50
Kev, yer not paying attention. louis-t Jan 2023 #57
At this point, Trump's backing is irrelevant, as is Trump himself. Finally. Martin68 Jan 2023 #58

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
14. +10000
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:13 AM
Jan 2023

If he's too dumb to have learned that by now he is too dumb to be speaker. Of course, the alternatives are no better. Is there no one in that party that will stand up for America instead of America's clowns?

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
15. Trump told Kevin
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:18 AM
Jan 2023

Last edited Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)

that he'd be Trump's mouthpiece. Adjacent to the bus but not yet under it. For what that's worth.

catbyte

(39,152 posts)
2. Morning Joe had fun with it today, playing the first 20 seconds
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 08:23 AM
Jan 2023

of this after every vote yesterday:



BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
3. LOL
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 08:40 AM
Jan 2023

First movement was 3 "variations on a theme".

And today's Second movement should be interesting... perhaps more reflective and decrescendo in tone?

By him again embracing insurrection, he continues to blow up bridges, not only to any moderate Democrats, but to any conservative ones - all who reject 45, his criminality, and what was done January 6 that McCarthy was a part of.

And the fact that he would even concede to having his majority spend the next 2 years doing nothing but revenge hearings that accomplish nothing but generating more red meat for a tinier and tinier fraction of the American public, should be the last straw.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
4. "McCarthy's bid for speaker to continue, says Trump backs him"
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 09:31 AM
Jan 2023




Trump no longer is President thanks be to dog, his power over the republican party is falling everyday,
not that it matters but he is the biggest criminal in American history, and his being installed as POTUS
by Russia was part of the biggest crime in American history.

Kevin,

Do you know how many times as speaker Nancy P lost when she whipped the vote?

Zero.




Cha

(319,076 posts)
52. "Dt backed" Mastriano, Lake, and
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 04:08 PM
Jan 2023

Fake Blake Masters, too.

They're history.

Like your post.. TY!

PJMcK

(25,048 posts)
5. It'll be great to see McCarthy's bid collapse
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:04 AM
Jan 2023

He must be in a world of hurt right now watching his 10-year dream evaporate.

His concession to reality will be wonderful to watch.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
6. Delusional
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:11 AM
Jan 2023
wants to see the Republicans united to be able to accomplish the exact things we said we’d do


As if you can accomplish anything when you're only 1/2 of 1/3 of the government.

Besides, you thugs never said what you'd do, about anything. All you did during the mid-term campaign was wage your standard idiotic culture wars and whine about petty grievances.

Maybe you call that an agenda, but the rest of us call it a tantrum.

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
7. Trump's endorsement could be the kiss of death.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:28 AM
Jan 2023

After Trump helped turn the promised red wave into a trickle, I don't think many Republicans want to reinforce his influence in the house.

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
10. Thing just as the media always dubs Democratic slim majorities
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 10:48 AM
Jan 2023

as "razor thin" so too do they need to keep pounding on that with the GOP because as long as something as little as 5 loons object, they will have no choice except to reach out to Democrats for enough votes, something that their ingrained "Hastert Rule" ( "majority of the majority" ) tends to forbid them from doing.

I.e., they are functioning as if they had this huge "wave mandate" and they didn't.

I did just read this morning that McCarthy is looking at a strategy where a pile of his Caucus consider voting "Present" to reduce the threshold for getting the votes for Speaker -

McCarthy floats path to Speakership with lower vote threshold

by Emily Brooks - 01/03/23 11:29 PM ET

(snip)

The House Speaker is elected by a majority of all those voting for a specific Speaker candidate, not necessarily all members. Those voting “present” and those who are absent do not count toward that total, lowering the threshold. Former House Speakers Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and John Boehner (R-Ohio) each won the Speakership with just 216 votes in 2021 and 2015, respectively.

In the three Tuesday votes, all 434 members voted in all ballots, putting the majority threshold at 218. In the first and second ballots, McCarthy got 203 votes, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.) got 212 and 19 McCarthy opponents voted for other candidates. In the third vote, a 20th member joined the detractors, putting McCarthy at 202.

It is not clear, however, how McCarthy could not only win over 11 in the group to vote for him, but get the other nine to not vote for a candidate. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) dismissed the strategy of McCarthy getting across the line with “present” votes outside a separate meeting in the Capitol with McCarthy allies and detractors in the office of House GOP Whip Tom Emmer (Minn.).

“If he’s literally trying to patchwork votes together, to scrape together the votes by trying to carve out ‘present’ votes in hopes that people don’t show up or something, I just don’t see that as the right path to a strong leadership position,” Roy said. Roy also cast strong doubts on the notion that any of the 20 Republicans who opposed McCarthy would play ball and vote “present” on Wednesday.   “I definitely don’t see it,” he said. 

(snip)

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3797676-mccarthy-floats-path-to-speakership-with-lower-vote-threshold/


Those examples given about the lower numbers of votes can often be similar to this go-around with only 434 instead of 435 because of vacancies (which is the case here - a (D) vacancy that The Hill neglected to mention).

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
16. I do not see that as a viable strategy,
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:26 AM
Jan 2023

McCarthy will need to get 213 votes because Jeffries is going to get 212 votes. There are members of the Freedumb caucus who will never vote for Mccarthy or vote present. Gaetz, Boebert, Roy, Perry, Jordan, Biggs.

Go for it McCarthy, I hope he has his eggs in a basket or Jeffries is going to be Speaker of the House. Do it Kevin.

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
19. Exactly
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jan 2023

He can't lose more than 4 or he's toast. Otherwise, he'd have to come begging to Democrats or per the article I posted, try to convince 9 of those 19 or 20 who voted against him (that 20th only changed to vote against him after 2 earlier failed votes), to vote "present", that would be 434 - 9 = 425 / 2 = 212.5 or "213" if you round up, so that "213" would be enough to take him over the top, and be more than Jeffries 'solid "212".

That group of 19/20 are pretty dead set against him though.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
18. IF he wins over Jeffries, it's on a faked majority; his becomes minority rule posing as
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:36 AM
Jan 2023

majority party rule.

I can't wait to see what Jeffries has to say about all this.

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
20. Some breaking news out right now
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:13 PM
Jan 2023

about them attempting to adjourn before the next upcoming vote!

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
29. Yup have had it on
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:07 PM
Jan 2023

before the cameras in the chamber were switched on and the CSPAN host was discussing the previous votes and 45's latest "support" remarks.

bucolic_frolic

(55,140 posts)
12. It is my considered opinion that only a last minute cameo appearance by ANTIFAH can save McCarthy
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:07 AM
Jan 2023

Grab your Bible, Slobfather! Maybe you can flush them out of hiding!

EarthFirst

(4,153 posts)
17. Tie yourself to that boat anchor; Kev...
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 11:32 AM
Jan 2023

That TFG ‘Red Wave’ endorsement seems to be the ticket!

PatrickforB

(15,426 posts)
21. So, BumRush, you're pretty knowledgeable. There's another thread on here that
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:21 PM
Jan 2023

says our people can solidly vote for Jeffries instead of abstaining, and if we can get enough 'sane' establishment Republicans to do same, then we will essentially still have the Speakership.

What is your take on this? I fear I am a bit ignorant about House procedures.

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
22. I've posted some comments about it in other threads
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:32 PM
Jan 2023

Jeffries just needs 6 of them.

The problem is whether the GOP caucus head explosions if that happened, would generate even more distraction than what is already going on now.

It's possible that Scalise could get enough (even if they had some sit it out as "Present" ) or there is some "dark horse moderate" GOPer who might be part of the "Problem Solvers Caucus" who could garner enough (D) votes - as long as there are some strings and stipulations attached. I.e., there have been ideas floated about "power sharing" for instance.

I just can't stomach Jordan spending 24/7 the next 2 years as Judiciary Committee Chair pontificating and preparing for a clown show impeachment. That is why he wants that Committee Chair position and also supports removal of Schiff from pretty much any Committee.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
30. If McCarthy drags this out, Jeffries might just see 6 defectors just to get the 118th started.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:09 PM
Jan 2023

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
31. That's the danger of the drag out
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:14 PM
Jan 2023

but they are thinking if they dragged it out, a (D) would get "tired" and vote for them.

Looks like they are going to go with the 4th vote - just had someone nominate him again.

gatomedianoche

(74 posts)
23. McCarthy may ask to adjourn House until Thursday
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:42 PM
Jan 2023

This is based on a tweet quoting news source, according to it McCarthy fears a 4th ballot will show him losing more support. Asking to adjourn till tomorrow will buy him time. Problem with this is that McCarthy will need 218 votes to adjourn and Democrats are likely to oppose adjournment

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
25. Every day of speaker gridlock is a plus.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:00 PM
Jan 2023

Every day is one less day for them to run their (next) clown show.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
24. 'says Trump backs him'... presently?
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 12:56 PM
Jan 2023

From yesterday...
'We'll see': Trump won't say if he still supports McCarthy for speaker - All In - MSNBC

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017794685

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
26. CSPAN posted a copy of his last Truth Social remark about 5 minutes ago
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:01 PM
Jan 2023

done at 7:39 am EST this morning telling them to "VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY" and other nonsense.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
32. Here we go. Quorum of 351 present out of the 435 elected membership.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:19 PM
Jan 2023

McCarthy getting stroked, speeches on "frustration," and the "luck of serving the American people" bs, and the Left's schadenfreude -- BUT DEMOCRACY IS MESSY, and "the American people are in charge".

What a panderer of a pandering party, with all this talk of policy, pure intentions and the 'restoration' of the basic (dis)functioning of Kevin bs.

omg this is fucking hilarious what a bunch of dysfunctional strokes

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
34. And Chip Roy takes another vote away nominating someone else
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:24 PM
Jan 2023


And he nominated a black Republican this time as if that is going to make any damn difference.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
35. Right?
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:28 PM
Jan 2023

All this "people's House" bullshit is cover for all their people's house from their gerrymandered districts, all the lil swamps of their states. "The American people" not in their gerrymandered districts got news for Roy -- their days are numbered.



Here comes the FOURTH vote!

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
37. DEMS ARE ALL PRESENT. rethugs are not. McCarthy goes down on the 4th, a 5th vote is now expected.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:39 PM
Jan 2023
I can't even OD on popcorn, this is all so hilariously stupid.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
39. So what's his path to a win today? I ask because I'm laughing so hard I can't think straight.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:52 PM
Jan 2023

If we have all 212 voting for Jeffries, and rethugs ALL vote, Kev would still only have 139 votes, right?

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
40. He could still get 203/202 if the same 19/20 vote for Donalds and 212 go for Jeffries
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 01:59 PM
Jan 2023

So far it's the same group voting for anyone but McCarthy.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
42. I see. Same difference for McCarthy as yesterday.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:16 PM
Jan 2023

Hardliners will keep throwing up unknowns just to make their point to McCarthy.

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
44. Except McCarthy lost a vote from Victoria Spartz (R-IN) voting "Present"
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:21 PM
Jan 2023


(basically now 21 people NOT voting for him)

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
45. True. So I just heard that MTG said she'll vote for him.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:33 PM
Jan 2023

I wonder if her decision opens the dam for him. He must have promised her co-speaker power.

BumRushDaShow

(169,759 posts)
46. MTG HAS voted for him 4 times
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:39 PM
Jan 2023

It's Boebert who has not.

The CSPAN host gave some background info apparently reported by CNN about why Spartz voted "Present" since she was considered voting "no" (their words meaning I guess voting for Donalds) but is supposedly considering running for Senate in IN.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
47. AH. Thank you. I didn't know that.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 02:56 PM
Jan 2023

Aguilar notes the last five wins of Jeffries, AND, very cool, that our side will codify Roe. Another standing ovation, of course.

Here comes Boebert to nominate Donalds, and criticizing McCarthy's failure to "build consensus." She's definitely signaling that the hardliners group will hold against McCarthy in the 5th round.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
51. Scalise is making a move, but a shift within the 20 doesn't seem to be happening.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 03:59 PM
Jan 2023


Of the twenty, all but Self (TX 3rd) are freedumb caucus.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
54. I see no one on the horizon. Not even Trump. 6th vote coming up.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 04:15 PM
Jan 2023

Here we go with "rules talk" "for the American people" trope. It won't swing the freedumb caucus from their gerrymandered swamps.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #40)

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
49. The 20 rethugs who keep voting against McCarthy.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 03:09 PM
Jan 2023

Andy Biggs AZ 5th (election denier)
Dan Bishop NC 8th (election denier)
Lauren Boebert CO 3rd (election denier)
Michael Cloud TX 27th
Andrew Clyde GA 9th

Matt Gaetz FL 1st (election denier)
Bob Good VA 5th (election denier)
Paul Gosar AZ 9th (election denier)
Andy Harris MD1st
Mary Miller IL 15th (election denier)

Ralph Norman SC 5th
Scott Perry PA 10th (election denier)
Matt Rosendale MT 2nd
Chip Roy TX 21st
Byron Donalds FL 19th

Josh Brecheen OK 2nd (newly elected)
Eli Crane AZ 2nd (newly elected) (election denier)
Andy Ogles TN 5th (newly elected) (election denier)
Anna Paulina Luna FL 13th (newly elected) (election denier)
Keith Self TX 3rd (newly elected) (election denier)

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
56. Vote number SIX and still holding:
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 05:09 PM
Jan 2023

(re-alphatized)

Andy Biggs AZ 5th (election denier)
Dan Bishop NC 8th (election denier)
Lauren Boebert CO 3rd (election denier)
Josh Brecheen OK 2nd (newly elected)
Michael Cloud TX 27th

Andrew Clyde GA 9th
Eli Crane AZ 2nd (newly elected) (election denier)
Byron Donalds FL 19th
Matt Gaetz FL 1st (election denier)
Bob Good VA 5th (election denier)

Paul Gosar AZ 9th (election denier)
Andy Harris MD1st
Anna Paulina Luna FL 13th (newly elected) (election denier)
Mary Miller IL 15th (election denier)
Ralph Norman SC 5th

Andy Ogles TN 5th (newly elected) (election denier)
Scott Perry PA 10th (election denier)
Matt Rosendale MT 2nd
Chip Roy TX 21st
Keith Self TX 3rd (newly elected) (election denier)

Who holds them back from McCarthy? I say, if they call themselves the freedumb caucus, it's the Koch network. More dangerous than Trump's mouthpiece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Caucus
















louis-t

(24,618 posts)
57. Kev, yer not paying attention.
Wed Jan 4, 2023, 06:37 PM
Jan 2023

Nobody gives a fuck about your orange man crush. The "make a deal" guy can't really make deals. Say it with me, folks. REPUBLICANS IN DISARRAY!!

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