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Zorro

(18,699 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 09:51 PM Jan 2023

Cartel lays siege to Mexican city after recapture of the son of 'El Chapo'

Source: Los Angeles Times

Armed men took hostages, burned vehicles and stormed an airport in northern Mexico on Thursday after federal forces captured Ovidio Guzmán, one of the world’s most wanted cartel leaders and the son of notorious drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.

The drug boss was arrested after a predawn gunfight in the city of Culiacán, a stronghold of Guzmán’s Sinaloa cartel, and was later flown to Mexico City, according to Mexican Secretary of Defense Luis Cresencio Sandoval González.

Officials canceled flights, suspended school and ordered residents to shelter in place as cartels responded to Guzmán’s arrest by throwing up road blockades across the state of Sinaloa, with the worst of the violence concentrated in Culiacán. Sandoval said cartel fighters blocked all six entrances to the city with burning vehicles and attacked the city’s airport as well as an air force base located nearby.

One local journalist, Marcos Vizcarra, said he had been effectively taken hostage along with other civilians in a hotel, their cars confiscated by armed gunmen to be incinerated in the streets.

Read more: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-01-05/la-fg-mexico-el-chapo-son-captured



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Cartel lays siege to Mexican city after recapture of the son of 'El Chapo' (Original Post) Zorro Jan 2023 OP
the President is going to Mexico next week.. mountain grammy Jan 2023 #1
all because american druggies support this crime by using illegal drugs nt msongs Jan 2023 #2
well, legalization would solve this problem, too. eggplant Jan 2023 #5
Would you legalize all drugs? former9thward Jan 2023 #10
I would choose to legalize and regulate what we currently consider "illegal" drugs. eggplant Jan 2023 #14
The private prisons are a big part of this strategy, unfortunately. yardwork Jan 2023 #17
One of the interesting tidbits about hard drugs... eggplant Jan 2023 #18
That's very interesting. I never thought about that. yardwork Jan 2023 #19
Or people from the U. S. could realize the harm they are doing to Mexico and other countries ripcord Jan 2023 #13
If only drug use was that simple. eggplant Jan 2023 #15
Weak (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jan 2023 #6
Weird that you blame his victims. Renew Deal Jan 2023 #7
the entire enterprise is made possible by americans (and others) using drugs. nt msongs Jan 2023 #9
What exactly is the problem with using drugs? eggplant Jan 2023 #21
ruined lives? piles of corpses? nt msongs Jan 2023 #22
You ignore the large number of people who use drugs yet lead long, productive lives. eggplant Jan 2023 #24
You're not wrong. NutmegYankee Jan 2023 #23
Chicos orgullosos? keithbvadu2 Jan 2023 #3
Until somebody finds a way to convince 20% of the population to stop snorting and smoking that shit Kennah Jan 2023 #4
If you're going to quote from a movie at least give the writer credit Doc Sportello Jan 2023 #8
I wanted to see if people would figure it out Kennah Jan 2023 #11
Damn good movie BTW radicalleft Jan 2023 #12
like American Airlines just protecting the bottom line. republianmushroom Jan 2023 #16
Mexico has to find a way to crush these cartels RussBLib Jan 2023 #20
"But...Lopez Obrador's admin has delivered repeatedly on one key U.S. priority: Hortensis Jan 2023 #25

eggplant

(4,202 posts)
14. I would choose to legalize and regulate what we currently consider "illegal" drugs.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 12:14 PM
Jan 2023

Most deaths are due to impurities or being tainted, not the drugs themselves. Going with the model of harm reduction, things like needle exchange programs, easy access to things like test kits, safe places to use, social services for people with problematic use, elimination of nearly all of the criminal side of things.

But what should be obvious is that the criminalization of drugs (our illustrious "war on drugs&quot has never been about the drugs, it's been about the marginalization of politically undesirable groups. In places where recreational cannabis has been legalized, there is suddenly a ton of tax money to address other social issues, like homelessness, education, and other services. All this without any serious uptick in crime.

Just imagine if harder drugs were made affordable and decriminalized. Meth sales and usage would plummet. The associated health problems and crime would disappear. People could become useful, productive members of society.

Of course, the prison industry would lose a TON of money, and their lobbyists aren't going to make that easy. Nor will organized crime for exactly the same reasons.

yardwork

(69,370 posts)
17. The private prisons are a big part of this strategy, unfortunately.
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 06:15 PM
Jan 2023

Brought to us by Republicans, naturally. As was the civil war on people called the war on drugs.

eggplant

(4,202 posts)
18. One of the interesting tidbits about hard drugs...
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:47 PM
Jan 2023

...is that any particular geographic area either has a meth problem or a heroin problem, but not both. It depends on whether the area is controlled by the mob or by biker gangs.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
13. Or people from the U. S. could realize the harm they are doing to Mexico and other countries
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:54 AM
Jan 2023

But we all know they are selfish enough not to care as long as they get what they want.

eggplant

(4,202 posts)
24. You ignore the large number of people who use drugs yet lead long, productive lives.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:50 PM
Jan 2023

The same argument can be made for alcohol. LOTS of people drink, without ruining their lives or dying early. It can be argued that some alcohol has health benefits. The one time we tried making that illegal, we rapidly got to where we are now with illegal drugs. Massive crime and death, and tainted products that did more harm than the alcohol itself. Legalization and control is a simple form of harm reduction. It's not perfect, but in a free society, it's what works.

The medical community is finally waking up and figuring out that controlled doses of what have been illegal drugs can have significant benefits in the treatment of a variety of mental health disorders. Cancer patients have benefited from the anti-nausea and appetite stimulation that cannabis offers, with substantially fewer side effects than "legal" drugs.

Has the legalization of recreational or medical cannabis in, what, 22 states now, led to ruined lives and piles of corpses?

Finally, you have to ask yourself: Is it the drugs that led to ruined lives, or were the drugs a form of self-medication for people living terrible lives with no other recourse? Certainly there are some individuals who shouldn't take them, just as there are some individuals who are predisposed to alcoholism. That's a trait of the individual, not the drug itself.

NutmegYankee

(16,479 posts)
23. You're not wrong.
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 02:25 AM
Jan 2023

The cartels would not exist if there wasn't a ridiculously high demand for drugs in the United States. People try to blame opioids for it all, but Cocaine and Meth are also quite highly trafficked by these cartels without pills to blame. The worst part is it usually Americans whom smuggle the drugs through border checkpoints in their personal vehicles, getting paid by these cartels for each shipment.

Kennah

(14,578 posts)
4. Until somebody finds a way to convince 20% of the population to stop snorting and smoking that shit
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 10:47 PM
Jan 2023

order's the best we can hope for

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
8. If you're going to quote from a movie at least give the writer credit
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:34 PM
Jan 2023

The writer and director of Sicario is Taylor Sheridan, also known for creating Yellowstone.

RussBLib

(10,637 posts)
20. Mexico has to find a way to crush these cartels
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:21 AM
Jan 2023

Last edited Sun Jan 8, 2023, 12:52 AM - Edit history (1)

Some of the Mexican police, some of the military, are in the frikkin' cartels.

If they legalize some drugs, the cartels switch to other drugs. They legalize more drugs, the cartels switch to kidnapping.

Somehow, Mexico has to break this cycle. The US could help by making cannabis legal, but that only removes some of the smuggling. We do have quite an appetite for various drugs.

Such a mess.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. "But...Lopez Obrador's admin has delivered repeatedly on one key U.S. priority:
Sun Jan 8, 2023, 04:26 PM
Jan 2023
the arrest of high-profile drug kingpins.

Just days after López Obrador met with Biden at the White House in July 2021, Mexican forces captured Rafael Caro Quintero, a cartel member believed to be behind the killing of U.S. DEA agent Enrique “Kiki” Camarena in 1985.

Jorge Israel, a human rights professor at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, said on Twitter that López Obrador was “cleaning house before Biden arrives.”

Former President Vicente Fox, a major critic of López Obrador, called the capture of Ovidio an obvious “gift” for Biden."

This son of El Chapo is one of a group of brothers fighting to keep control after their father was put away. The cartel's reportedly weakened, this capture another bad sign, and may be on the way down.

In many places around the planet, criminal organizations, in and out of government, are endangered by Democratic control of U.S. foreign policy.
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