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SuperCoder

(300 posts)
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 09:38 PM Jan 2023

96% of flights with COVID. Decoupling of hospitalizations & wastewater versus cases

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Dr. Eric Ding (former 16yr Harvard Epidemiologist)

We need to talk about how COVID hospitalization is surging in Massachusetts- doubling in a month - but cases are flat. But is COVID truly flat? No, not at all if you look at the wastewater levels of SARSCov2 RNA in Boston. Thus we have now lost the reliability of simple case counts. But unlike the good uncoupling of low hospitalization vs rising cases, we now have the opposite bad uncoupling of rising hospitalization vs flat cases. Wastewater seems to be only only good early warning indicator now.

Speaking of water water surveillance — 96% of flights in a study of airplane toilet water in SE Asia region last year found SARS2 virus. We have to use this as a warning indicator that likely most flights have someone with COVID in this pandemic era. If you don’t still mask on flight— you are playing with fire— playing Russian roulette with your health and Long COVID.

Hospitalization ⬆️ 2x surging…

—but cases flat??

What’s going on is testing has crashed and #COVID19 case numbers are unreliable.
📌 Cases and hospitalizations are uncoupling—but in the WRONG WAY… opposite of last year.

📌 Wastewater doesn’t lie. See wastewater data from Massachusetts below.

📌 More wastewater data: SarsCoV-2 was detected in wastewater from 95.7% of flights

📌 Driven by the highly evasive and infectious #XBB15 variant.

Don’t ignore the #Kraken. #MaskUp




Read more: https://drericding.substack.com/p/96-of-flights-with-covid-decoupling?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=233203&post_id=95152506&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email



This is not opinion or analysis. This is medical fact, from renowned epidemiologist Dr. Eric Ding.
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96% of flights with COVID. Decoupling of hospitalizations & wastewater versus cases (Original Post) SuperCoder Jan 2023 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #1
Me too. n/t area51 Jan 2023 #10
Same! nt pazzyanne Jan 2023 #16
A wise assessment of risk in many cases.... paleotn Jan 2023 #20
Blogs don't belong in LBN Fiendish Thingy Jan 2023 #2
Funny we had covid last month and I kept thinking of all the Covid being flushed into the sewer. dem4decades Jan 2023 #3
Not a valid conclusion to draw. FBaggins Jan 2023 #4
It is still bad out there..... BigmanPigman Jan 2023 #5
I am in Rebl2 Jan 2023 #6
The two of you have more common sense than millions of BigmanPigman Jan 2023 #7
American made N95 masks are cheap and widely available IronLionZion Jan 2023 #8
I still wear my mask when i am out in public LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #9
so did I... agingdem Jan 2023 #14
Especially on aircraft.... paleotn Jan 2023 #19
I love Dr. Ding's tweets! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #11
We have no reliable case counts in the US anymore. All testing is now "voluntary and self-reported." PSPS Jan 2023 #12
But we do have reliable counts of deaths FBaggins Jan 2023 #13
Always was voluntary and self reported from day 1. paleotn Jan 2023 #18
"This is not opinion or analysis. This is medical fact" True but I fail to understand why cstanleytech Jan 2023 #15
In my mind, case counts were never a terribly accurate measure paleotn Jan 2023 #17
After a review by forum hosts, locking........ Omaha Steve Jan 2023 #21

Response to SuperCoder (Original post)

area51

(12,642 posts)
10. Me too. n/t
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 11:48 PM
Jan 2023

pazzyanne

(6,758 posts)
16. Same! nt
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 08:40 AM
Jan 2023

paleotn

(22,069 posts)
20. A wise assessment of risk in many cases....
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 10:03 AM
Jan 2023

It's not like Covid magically disappeared when the mask came off for commercial travel. It's still around doing its thing. We'll simply have to learn to live with it.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,877 posts)
2. Blogs don't belong in LBN
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 09:47 PM
Jan 2023

Good article, but belongs in GD or OpEd.

dem4decades

(13,966 posts)
3. Funny we had covid last month and I kept thinking of all the Covid being flushed into the sewer.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 10:10 PM
Jan 2023

FBaggins

(28,703 posts)
4. Not a valid conclusion to draw.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 10:24 PM
Jan 2023

The virus has been found in fecal matter several months after even mild infections. And while waste tanks are emptied after each flight, they aren't decontaminated. It's no surprise at all that any given flight has multiple people who have been infected at some point in the last six months.

It's a respiratory virus. Why weren't they testing the air filtration?

BigmanPigman

(55,014 posts)
5. It is still bad out there.....
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 10:28 PM
Jan 2023

"People who haven't had COVID will likely catch XBB.1.5 – and many will get reinfected, experts say
Variant XBB.1.5 is very contagious, meaning everyone is at risk even if you've already been infected. As the U.S. enters year 3 of the pandemic, here's an update on the state of COVID."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2023/01/06/covid-update-xbb-variant-symptoms-reinfection/10995204002/

Japan is currently experiencing their 2nd highest outbreak.....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

I see about 6 masks every time I go into a crowded supermarket in Southern CA. This is beyond ridiculous. Why doesn't anyone mask anymore? Did the right-wing's politicizing of Covid make us this way?

Rebl2

(17,634 posts)
6. I am in
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 10:33 PM
Jan 2023

red Missouri and still mask because I take chemo and visit parent in nursing home and don’t want to give it to my husband. He still masks as well.

BigmanPigman

(55,014 posts)
7. The two of you have more common sense than millions of
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 10:36 PM
Jan 2023

Americans combined.

IronLionZion

(51,110 posts)
8. American made N95 masks are cheap and widely available
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 10:36 PM
Jan 2023

Maskholes will be breathing on you in crowded lines and waiting areas of airports. Seasonal winter spikes are each year now. Massachusetts is highly vaccinated so I wouldn't count on that alone.

Good luck DUers, be safe.

LetMyPeopleVote

(178,594 posts)
9. I still wear my mask when i am out in public
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 10:40 PM
Jan 2023

The last time I flew I masked the entire trip

agingdem

(8,825 posts)
14. so did I...
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 02:30 AM
Jan 2023

the guy sitting in front of me was coughing and sneezing..no mask and no covering his mouth...the woman sitting next to him looked uncomfortable and asked the flight attendant if she could change seats..full flight.. but by then she had already been exposed and, more than likely, infected

paleotn

(22,069 posts)
19. Especially on aircraft....
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 09:59 AM
Jan 2023

I got so use to it in 2021 when we started traveling again that it feels weird to not wear one on a commercial flight.

SheltieLover

(79,658 posts)
11. I love Dr. Ding's tweets!
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 12:27 AM
Jan 2023

Ty for sharing.

I have been wearing an N95 at grocery store & other places since 2/2020 because of Dr. Ding's alerts.

No intention of stopping this practice anytime soon!

PSPS

(15,300 posts)
12. We have no reliable case counts in the US anymore. All testing is now "voluntary and self-reported."
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 12:33 AM
Jan 2023

FBaggins

(28,703 posts)
13. But we do have reliable counts of deaths
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 12:54 AM
Jan 2023

And can compare them to norms.

The more unreported cases we speculate occur… the less deadly the virus currently is.

paleotn

(22,069 posts)
18. Always was voluntary and self reported from day 1.
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 09:55 AM
Jan 2023

Or did I miss that notice back in 2020 about mandatory testing?

cstanleytech

(28,402 posts)
15. "This is not opinion or analysis. This is medical fact" True but I fail to understand why
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 02:44 AM
Jan 2023

its been posted here rather than over in the science forum.

paleotn

(22,069 posts)
17. In my mind, case counts were never a terribly accurate measure
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 09:52 AM
Jan 2023

of levels of infection. It completely misses the asymptomatic and those with varying levels of mild symptoms who never get terribly sick. That slice of infections is and was a guesstimate at best.

It's endemic now globally since China finally accepted the inevitable. Vax up, and mask up if you feel the need. It ain't going away.

Omaha Steve

(108,974 posts)
21. After a review by forum hosts, locking........
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 11:45 AM
Jan 2023

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