A US federal agency is considering a ban on gas stoves, report says

[pstokely]

Source: CNN

A federal agency is considering a ban on gas stoves as concerns about indoor pollution linked to childhood asthma rise, Bloomberg first reported.

A US Consumer Product Safety commissioner told Bloomberg gas stove usage is a “hidden hazard.”

Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” agency commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. said in a Bloomberg interview. The report said the agency plans “to take action” to address the indoor pollution caused by stoves. CNN has reached out to the CPSC for comment.

The CPSC has been considering action on gas stoves for months.Trumka recommended in October that the CPSC seek public comment on the hazards associated with gas stoves. The pollutants have been linked to asthma and worsening respiratory conditions.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/business/gas-stove-ban-federal-agency/index.html

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will used gas ovens become big sellers?

[PSPS]

1. Many cities including mine are already doing this to address global warming

My city will not permit any gas connections to new commercial properties and residential projects with four stories or more starting this July.

[Hekate]

2. I am a bit confused. I thought the use of vent hoods with fans took care of the fumes & particulates

I’m very careful about that. In good weather, I also keep the kitchen window open on general principles.

Beyond that, I always thought gas appliances were supposed to be more energy efficient.

What about other gas appliances? Our water heater and clothes dryer also use gas.

[Jon King]

4. We got an air purifier yesterday in reponse to this story.

Instead of going through the expense of replacing the gas stove/oven. It checks the air and automatically comes on if too many particulates. For reference, our are was almost perfect, the reading was 1. We used the stove and oven and it raised to 65 at its highest reading and the air purifier dropped it back down to under 5 in about 30 minutes.

They say a reading over 115 is less healthy air, so we never got above that even with the oven on for an hour. When the oven is not on, our air has stayed perfect so seems like the gas hot water heater and dryer are not contributors. But you could see the particulate reading go up within minutes of using the gas oven.

[Hekate]

11. Thanks. Our home heating system is also gas.

Lots to think about.

[ShazzieB]

16. Same here, gas stove, gas furnace.

We rent, so we have to take whatever the place comes with.

[harun]

36. Which one did you get that has a reading like that?

[truthisfreedom]

21. Gas water heaters and furnaces have exhaust systems

They don’t vent fumes into the house at all. In fact gas furnaces draw in air from outside through a dedicated pipe to keep from using warmed air from inside to burn the gas.

Gas stoves are an anomaly… they have no fresh air intake and no dedicated exhaust so they leave a lot of carbon dioxide in your house as well as soot particles. Yes, you may have a well-working exhaust vent above your stove, but you’d be shocked to learn how many kitchen “exhaust vents” simply blow the exhausted air back into your house!

[DENVERPOPS]

37. Yo

Carbon MONOXIDE ???????????

[EX500rider]

62. Here:

The emissions from natural gas-fired boilers and furnaces include nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), volatile organic compounds (VOCs), trace amounts of sulfur dioxide (SO2), and particulate matter (PM).

[IbogaProject]

67. Radon too on the East Coast

Seriously I never liked gas cooking.

[geardaddy]

69. Radon doesn't come from appliances

It is a naturally occurring gas in the earth that can enter the home in basements and cellars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon

We have issues with it here in the Upper Midwest. Some houses that test positive have to have radon mitigation systems.

[IbogaProject]

70. It's coming along with fracked gas

It's comes right in w everything else in "natural gas". https://www.alleghenyfront.org/is-the-natural-gas-in-your-home-upping-your-radon-risk/

[geardaddy]

71. Oh, ok

Yeah, that makes sense.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

3. As a matter of preference, I really don't like electric stoves

Plus I sneeze a lot in the kitchen. Could it be the gas stove? I've been pricing new ranges. I'm sticking with gas though.

[unc70]

6. Quite likely the reason behind you sneezes

Gas ovens and cooktops are fairly.

[onlyadream]

46. Induction stove tops are a great alternative

You need cookware that can attract a magnet since the induction stove uses the material in the pot to create the heat (thru induction). It heats up fast like gas, boils water quick, is cleaner since sauces and food won’t cook on the top itself, and is safer since, while it does get hot via the heat from the pot, it’s not like a hot burner (better for households with naught kitties).

[Happy Hoosier]

48. Consider Induction.

Induction is as effective as gas, but more efficient, and WAY cleaner (at least in your house). It is more expensive, but when I switch from my glowy electrics, it'll be induction for me.

[Old Crank]

52. I didn't like electric cooktops

I liked gas ones better. But I now have induction. Much better. Safer, easier to clean, heats faster.
Electric for stoves is good for high temp work and broiling.
I did lose the use of my French copper pots with stainless inserts, and my inexpensive aluminum nonstick frying pans but alternatives are easy to come by now at a reasonable price for their longevity.

When we redo the kitchen in CA it will be electric with an induction top.
Safer because when the top doesn't detect a cooking vessel it turns off.

[Bettie]

5. Not giving up my gas stove.

My previous one was a 1930 Clark Jewel. I upgraded to a Dynasty with four burners and an integrated griddle.

I don't like electric stoves, I find that I get better results in everything with gas. Plus, when we had the derecho, I was able to cook food while we were without power for two weeks (16 days). Electric stove means no cooking if you don't have power.

[unc70]

7. Keep young children out of kitchen when using gas stove

The affects are greater on the lungs of children. Higher asthma rates, etc.

[Bettie]

8. Our house is old and drafty

I had three kids who grew up in this house with our gas stove, none of them have asthma or any sort of issue.

I suspect the bigger culprit is newer homes that are pretty much airtight.

[unc70]

9. Whatever

[Hekate]

15. Bettie's right though. Back when there was a big price surge in energy, so many people tightened up

… their houses to completely eliminate drafts and heat leakage in the winter that a fair number got sick. Can’t remember which decade that was, though. 80s? Bottom line, you really don't want to completely eliminate air-exchange to save on your heating bills.

[radical noodle]

35. It started in the 70s

I worked for a residential construction company during that period and we did a lot of insulation installation in existing structures.

[NullTuples]

14. Would you say the same about concerns over second hand smoke? Because they're equally bad...

I do agree about the current state of electric stoves though, and that the electric grid is far less reliable than the gas one.

These are serious shortcomings that as a nation we need to invest in solving.

[RobinA]

33. I Would

my father smoked through my entire growing up, including a pipe. Our house didn't smell like smoke. People smoked at work, in restaurants, bars. It's only since everything got locked down that it was that noticeable.

[Silver Gaia]

23. I agree with this.

It's this trend toward making homes airtight. That's just plain unhealthy anyway, in my opinion. Unnatural. Artificial. My house is old and drafty. I've never lived in a home that was airtight, and don't want to. I've always cooked with gas, have had gas hot water heaters, and gas furnaces. I have no respiratory problems, nor do any of my family members. This needs much more research, and exploration into alternative solutions, before they start banning gas stoves.

[Farmer-Rick]

51. Yeah, I remember when tightening up houses to prevent most outside air

Was considered the smart thing to do for energy savings and then the concerns about radon became a thing. I put it down to too tight homes.

I live in an old farmhouse. I have a gas stove/oven and gas fireplace. I rarely use the fireplace, too expensive. I can hear the wind whistling by my windows and doors some days. I love this drafty old house. My kids never suffered from asthma or anything.

Recently I have solved and repaired several roof leaks.(Hint: it's always the flashing) These leaks have been coming and going for at least 8 years. It took awhile to figure out what the problem was. They were small problems that needed a lot of taking things apart to fix.

So, when we opened up the ceiling, attics and crawl spaces to fix the leaks, it was so surprising to find no mold and no real damage to roof structure. You could see where the water was coming through but absolutely no mold, no dry rot, no damage except to the drywall ceiling....after 8 years.

I really think this is because it was vented so well. There was great air circulation up there.

Hopefully I have finally fixed those weird leaks.

[jimfields33]

12. You will need to find a way to lower you carbon usage in other ways.

We all are going to have to sacrifice or our climate change will never happen. Each person has their favorite toys that they will say goodbye to. What about the big trucks that people love? Will they just say they are keeping it? I hope not. Gas stoves need to go period!

[Scrivener7]

56. I had no idea about this. I've had a gas stove for 20 years, which was always crap and

which I have just decided must be replaced. I guess I better start saving for that sooner rather than later.

And you're right. I hate when we hear about this kind of thing and people just dig in their heels. It's childish and we all pay the price.

[pnwmom]

18. My family always had gas stoves and I was the kid with asthma.

I had pneumonia three times by the time I finished high school, and there were no other risk factors that I know of. (My parents never smoked, or let anyone else smoke in our house.) This was a long time ago so our houses had plenty of ventilation.

Back then no one knew that gas stoves could raise the risk for asthma, but we do now. My husband and I switched to electric about twenty years ago, but I'm stuck with the asthma I developed when I was young.

[Silver Gaia]

20. Yes. Without our gas stove we wouldn't have been able to cook any meals

during the recent New Year's Eve power outage that dragged on for days here in Northern CA due to the atmospheric river storms. (Many still have no power.) We also had no refrigeration, so we had no way to keep veggies fresh or have any safe dairy products. There was not much we could do but cook on the gas stove from cans and boxes. Or order out. And a lot of restaurants were down, too. Before they go banning gas stoves, they need to figure out a better affordable alternative for people to use at times like this. And work on making gas stoves less dangerous. For the record, my mom cooked with gas, my grandma cooked with gas, and I have always cooked with gas. No one in my family has had any respiratory problems other than my dad, who did that to himself by smoking 5 packs a day since he was 14. It wasn't the gas stove.

[pnwmom]

27. The other option, besides cooking with gas every day, is to have a partial or full house generator

run by gas that you only need to use during an occasional power outage.

That's what we have. We switched to an electric stove because of the health risks (I already had asthma and didn't want to make it worse.) And we got a generator for the occasional power outage.

[Silver Gaia]

57. We've looked at generators and are considering it as an option

but they are awfully expensive. It's a good alternative if you can afford it. In your case, it sounds like it was a necessity.

[pnwmom]

58. When we looked there was a range of prices, depending on how much of the house

it covered, and whether it uses propane or natural gas. We got a partial house generator, so it doesn't cover all our rooms, or the TV, but the house stays warm and the fridge stays cold, and we can charge our cell phones and laptops as needed..

[EX500rider]

63. I just have a gas grill with a side burner for pots outside for when the power goes out.

And a small toaster oven then will run off my small portable 2,000 watt generator that was $350 on Amazon that will run my fridge/tv/computer also. (it helps to have a watt meter so you can gauge power needs)

https://www.amazon.com/iPower-SUA2000iV-2000-Watt-Portable-Generator/dp/B07M8P1RFW/ref=dp_prsubs_1

Watt meter:
https://www.amazon.com/HBN-Electricity-Monitor-Digital-Consumption/dp/B09MHGK6MT/ref=sr_1_2_sspa

[Warpy]

10. I just heard a collective "NOOOOO" from a lot of foodie friends

but I have to say that I'm cooking on an electric stove for the first time since the 1970s and they have gotten better: quicker response, hotter, more precise temperature control. When my rice cooker goes belly up, I might go back to stovetop rice. Although maybe not, they still don't have timers on the cooktop and I'm a space cadet these days.

There are even electric gizmos that will fit woks and generate super high heat, but I don't have one of those, they're for commercial setups, especially street food in Asia. They look like electric foundries. Could be they are, they seem to have 2 settings: blast furnace or off.

There are still plenty of other, less leaky uses for gas: heating, hot water, running our city buses, dryers in commercial laundries.

[NullTuples]

13. Rock vs everyone vs hard place

Apparently this isn't completely new knowledge, but the natural gas industry has done a heck of a job keeping it fairly well suppressed from public knowledge via promotion of gas. Everything from direct ads promoting "clean, cheap gas" to the last 20 years of foodie culture promoting gas cooking or go home.

So now everyone knows it's not healthy, like *really* not healthy. Second-hand smoke level of not healthy.

But we're stuck with old school electric stoves that haven't changed since at least the 1950's, and modern induction or radiant stovetops which quite frankly, are more about good marketing than they are a really good way to cook. Especially given that nearly everyone I know who has had them has damaged the glass top surface at least once.

Why is is so difficult for stovetop companies to come out with a fully modernized version of the electric coil stovetop? Burners with smooth, flat metal burner top surfaces, true variable heat, and accurate temperature sensing & management. Really all it would take is a redesign of the semi-universal heater elements and a very minor redesign of the computer that controls them. But all that it seems is easily available are old school coils with wildly inaccurate power control, and radiant or inductive 'tops that really feel more like a marketing effort. And yes, I've tried the latter - they're okay if a bit inconsistent with the right cookware (inductive) and if you never drop anything (both). But the "experience" of cooking on them isn't worth the wildly inflated prices.

[burrowowl]

17. There are other serious pollutants

Fire retardants, materials based on plastics, insect repellents, etc.

[Hope22]

34. Yes, Roundup! N/t

[brush]

25. I'm sorry, the idea that the entire homebuilding industry would...

risk their licenses and business by installing gas stoves and not venting them to local/state construction building codes is not believable.

Come on, really, people? If that was the case we would've had a housing crisis and loss of jobs that would make the 2009 one look like child's play.

[hunter]

31. I grew up in a home with a gas stove and I have moderate to severe asthma.

Before modern meds I was frequently hospitalized for asthma.

It does make me wonder...

[jmowreader]

24. When I bought my current range I had the choice of...

...radiant electric (the old coil thing, under a smoothtop), induction or gas.

Induction was about $500 more than gas and I knew I didn't want radiant. Finally I said to myself, "fuck it, I came in here for an induction range, I've got the money, I'm going for it."

Two years later, you couldn't run fast enough to give me a gas range.

I see three advantages of gas over induction.

First is if you have a pacemaker. Induction works by generating a massive electromagnetic field that heats up a magnetic pan. In the Old Days they told people "if you have a pacemaker don't get a microwave oven." Induction pumps out more EM energy than microwave ovens even dream of.

Second is pan selection. Because gas cooktops heat the pan, you can put anything you like on one that's top-of-range safe. Aluminum, stainless, cast iron, glass, whatever. If it'll survive the heat it'll work. Induction cooktops cause the pan to heat itself, so the pans must be magnetic. When I go pan shopping and I'm not shopping for enameled cast iron - the best kind of pan to use on an induction range - I carry a magnet with me. Just so you know, the At Home chain has its own line of reasonably priced yet very good enameled cast iron pans.

The third is letting your friends and relatives cook on the thing if they haven't been read on into induction. My sister was over one day and wanted to warm some milk for coffee. "Just put it on...oh, maybe 4...and WATCH IT because this thing heats FAST." She put it on 9 and was astonished to see the milk boiling in less than a minute.

When I still had a coil range I used to cook all my tomato sauce recipes in a Crock-pot because coil will scorch the tomato sauce if you don't keep up with your stirring religiously. Gas will do the same thing. Now that I have induction, there's about half an inch of dust on the crock pot. I can't get tomato sauce to scorch through any reasonable means.

[markie]

28. yup

I hear ya, except I love my Induction stove! So right about quick boil... there is a real learning period with potential for "spills" I did have to get rid of some of my older pans but I had a few to use

*fortunately, my pressure cooker was SS

[LPBBEAR]

26. There is no way

to completely seal gas appliances from leaking. If its not leaking when installed it will eventually. Its a pollution nightmare, a health hazard, and dangerous.

Years ago I lived in Alaska. One day while sitting in the living room watching TV we felt the ground shake. Living in Alaska we were used to occasional earthquakes so we assumed one had just happened. It was the middle of Winter and temps were below zero. We noticed a plume of smoke coming from nearby. It turned out a house that used natural gas had exploded due to a leak in the crawlspace. The gas fumes had built up in the crawlspace and eventually ignited. The occupants hadn't noticed anything unusual probably because the fumes were underneath in the crawlspace. The explosion had lifted the roof from the house. Luckily no one was at home at the time. The kids were at school and the Father was at work. The Mother was visiting a neighbor up the street and having a cup of coffee when the house exploded. She had a clear view from the neighbors house as it happened.

With the pollution issues, health hazards, and the above I'll stick with electric even with the occasional faulty wiring issues.

[ShepKat]

29. I have an offgrid cabin

There aren't even any poles on the other end of my driveway that's a half mile long. Of course we have a propane gas stove.

'They' want to ban woodstoves too. Not giving up our woodstove either since 98% of our 37 acres is woods that need help from the ice storm 25 years ago.

I live in a 4 college town. That cabin is my sanity. Not giving up my gas stove, and there is nothing like wood heat

[ananda]

30. I've been all electric for years.

I missed gas stoves though.

[dembotoz]

32. don't we have bigger fish to fry?

Lots of folks love their gas stoves....They just do
do we really wanna give the maga frauds something else to clench their fists, stomp their feet and scream woke this woke that..Now they want to cancel my gas stove......

https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2022-06-02/gas-stove-ban-chinese-korean-bbq-electric-new-buildings-restaurants-future

[msfiddlestix]

38. And what is the agency's suggestion during power outages?

Power outages during the winter, there are no existing alternatives heat and cooking when the electricity goes out.

Solar panels installed on our roofs last spring, but during this season's storms we've had power outages.

Fortunately for my little hamlet, it didn't last but a couple of hours. However up the road a couple of miles power has been out for days.

Bad idea to propose banning essential appliances for survival before industry eliminates the necessity for continued use, imo.

My apartment has an electric stove, but fortunately a gas heater. During the fires we had power outage for days and some longer.

Refrigeration and food cooking preparation was impossible.

[dalton99a]

42. +1. I suppose people can always go to Cancun for food and warmth

[MarineCombatEngineer]

39. I own a 38' 5th Wheel with 3 pop outs

and just about everything in it is gas, even my refrigerator has the option to run on gas, my stove, water heater, heater all run on gas but my 2 roof A/C's are equipped with electric heaters which i use during the cold periods.

[Lulu KC]

40. I love my gas stove but--

We participated in a study done by this organization and I learned a lot. It must go at some point. https://www.psehealthyenergy.org

[catsudon]

41. gas stove might be to blame here but not in asia

case in point, i grew up in Taiwan, we use gas cooking everywhere, there were no electric stove, no furnace nor water tank using electric.

i do not know of anyone with asthma growing up. it wasn't until we moved to the states that i started to notice a handful of kids in my class uses those aerosol devices.

the housing in taiwan is however, more open, there are a lot of vents/windows everywhere due to lack of central air/heat. plus the ventilation used in kitchen are all very powerful.

in the states my parents complaint about how weak the vent is in our kitchen and had it replaced with a taiwanese heavy duty vent.

[dalton99a]

43. Stupid overreach. This will hurt people who cannot afford to upgrade.

The problem is ventilation and detection

[sl8]

44. How to Get a Free Stove From the Government "

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-get-a-free-stove-from-the-government-and-help-s-1849431130

How to Get a Free Stove From the Government (and Help Save the Planet)

The Inflation Reduction Act is both a last-stab at avoiding climate destruction, and an opportunity to get free appliances.

ByStephen Johnson

[dalton99a]

47. "Federal funds are to be allocated by the states"

20 states have laws against banning and I assume they will not participate or be very helpful (similar to the ACA and Medicaid expansion)

[sl8]

49. Good point. nt

[jimfields33]

59. Golly. Same thing is said of electric cars. However, that train is moving down the tracks.

We cannot pick and chose how to save the planet. Not everyone is going to like every change or perhaps any of the changes. But that’s unfortunately going to have to be a “too bad”. We’ve got a serious problem and not everyone will be able to keep the toys of their choice.

[DENVERPOPS]

45. I am not sure what is gonna happen,

with the gas stove issue........

But I can tell you this.........if Xcel jacks their rates on Electricity and Gas again, I will put in a wood burning cook stove in my back yard and a wood burning stove for heat inside the house..............

We use Xcel's budget billing where all twelve months are averaged so you pay the same amount every month.
Our bill last year was 182 a month, this year it is something like 299 a month.......

Public Service company was the provider for Gas and Electric all the years in my life until 10? years ago. They were governed and regulated by the Colorado Public Utilities Commission. Some where, somehow, when no one was looking, (especially the PUC who is supposed to look out for the consumers), Public Service slowly changed from a public utility to a for profit corporation across eight states.

The whole reason for the PUC originally was to provide consumer protection and regulations in a situation where there was a monopoly industry/corporation. The fox are guarding the hen house in oh so many ways these days.......

Dictionary definition of Fascism, is a merging of Government and Corporations..........sound familiar?????????????

[patphil]

50. A good compromise is a gas cook top with an electric oven.

Cook top burners are usually on for a short time as compared to an oven.
But then gas has been used in ovens for 100 years, and now we are getting a rise in asthma? Are there other factors at play?

[Old Crank]

53. Similar article in The Guardian a while back.

The gas cooktops and ovens don't burn clean. One of the other posters here noted his particulate counter went up when he was cooking. They aren't going to take away your gas stoves and cooktops. They will just stop selling and many places aren't giving you a gas line to the house. Stove top vents can cut down on that but you have to turn them on all the time when you are using the stove.
The induction cooktops are much better than any electric unit I ever had. The better ones have all the control of gas and no pollution and fire risk. They are also much easier to clean. If you used an electric in the 70s and 80s last you have no idea what has happened it is a revolution.
Induction is also faster heating of your food. That was also in the Guardian article. Half the time to boil water for tea. Why? You heat the pot and not the surrounding air with flames going up and around the pot.
A lot of new ones are all one burner sort of. They can sense the pot size and heat that area.

[Torchlight]

54. I'd guess this would be phased in rather than a compulsory

and immediate replacement.

Much as was done with CFL lighting some years back; rather than being forced to replace them, I simply couldn't find them anymore when I was ready to replace them, so I instead adopted the LED (which haven't needed replacing since we got them in 2017 or so).

[Old Crank]

55. On the gas v electric front

When I moved to Germany I couldn't take my pots and pans with me.
Weight is a huge issue at first. But now I have induction so many of my pots can't be used.
I am sad to have to say goodbye to by stainless lined copper pots. I also have some cast iron that is way too expensive to ship and isn't good to use on glass tops.
I am heading to the SF bay area for a month and if there might be interest in some of these items and my tenants don't want them I would be willing to part with some. No charge or whatever anyone felt as equitable.

Once I find out the answers to availability should I post to cookign and baking for this Or is there also a spot for sales / gifting?

[FakeNoose]

60. It's gas-powered furnaces that are the environmental hazards

Why are kitchen stoves being considered, when the main offenders are the gas furnaces?

I have a gas stove in my kitchen that runs no more than 2 or 3 hours per week. Not much gas is burned in that short of a time. However my gas furnace runs at least 18 or 20 hours per day for 3 months, and for another 5 months it runs maybe 3, 4 or 5 hours at night. The amount of natural gas used to heat my smallish 2-story home is far greater than the amount used in cooking my food. And I'm just one homeowner, multiply that times 100 million homes in the US.

[Old Crank]

61. The concern is the pollution in the house.

You stove and cooktop burn gas, largely unvented and less efficiently than your heater. You end up breathing the products of combustion from the cooking. Your heater and water heater vent outside so you don't breath the exhaust.
You are right that your house heater uses more gas and creates more overall pollution. The worry for these regulations is what you breath in a closed space.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

64. Marjorie Taylor Greene Slams Biden Admin on Possible Stove Ban: 'Idiots'

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene on Monday slammed President Joe Biden's administration over reports that a gas stove ban is being considered.

The story originated in a Bloomberg report which found that the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) was weighing a possible ban on gas stoves because of their adverse health effects. According to recent studies, 13 percent of current cases of childhood asthma can be linked to air pollutants that are released by gas stoves. The pollutants have also been linked to the worsening of other respiratory conditions.

Some of the pollutants released by the stoves include nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide and fine particulate matter. Their adverse effects are worsened in homes without sufficient ventilation capabilities.

In an interview with Bloomberg, CPSC head Richard Trumka Jr. called gas stoves a "hidden hazard" and said that a ban is a possibility.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/marjorie-taylor-greene-slams-biden-admin-on-possible-stove-ban-idiots/ar-AA16bhOD

MTG's head was stoved in long time ago.

[CountAllVotes]

65. Gosh I hope not

I strongly prefer cooking with gas. As for fumes, I'm not worried about them as I have a window in the kitchen, a large sliding glass door and a hooded range cover.

I don't cook much anymore anyway but when I do cook, I strongly prefer natural gas.

The last place I lived in renting had an old electric stove. It was hit and miss all of the time but that's probably because it was at least 30 years old or more.

& recommend.

[IbogaProject]

66. Issue is they leak even when off.

All your ventilation 'solutions' fail when you often only run them when you're cooking. Natural gas has other stuff mixed in it isn't just methane. I grew up with an old school GE electric stove and oven and it worked fine. The only real trick is when you turn down the heat it is best to lift the pan briefly to get the burner to cool slightly. This new rule won't ban them just prohibit new connections for them in new construction and eventually disallow replacement and eventually after that at some point forbid repair. It will be a gradual process, so enjoy your fumes Boomers.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/27/1075874473/gas-stoves-climate-change-leak-methane

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/10/gas-stoves-are-bad-you-and-environment/616700/

[LudwigPastorius]

68. Yes, according to the study linked above...

carcinogenic benzene leaks from gas stoves in similar quantities as if there were an active smoker in the house.

Benzene, a known human carcinogen, was found in 99% of samples.
When gas stoves are off they have the potential to leak enough benzene to create indoor concentrations comparable to secondhand smoke. These concentrations do not account for benzene emitted while the appliance is being used.

https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/our-work/publications/archive/measuring-air-quality-impacts-of-gas-stove-leaks/

[The Mouth]

72. Utterly idiotic

Talk about handing the Republicans a cudgel to beat us over the head with.

Not quite "Defund The Police" level of stupid, but close.

[ecstatic]

73. Yikes. I didn't know about the risks

Are they sure about this? My whirlpool gas stove is 20 years old... no drama or issues or smells. I have a carbon monoxide monitor in the same room.