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BumRushDaShow

(169,742 posts)
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:20 PM Jan 2023

AG Garland names Robert Hur as special counsel in Biden classified documents matter

Last edited Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: ABC News

Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday announced he has named former U.S. Attorney for the District of Maryland Robert Hur as a special counsel in the Biden classified documents matter. Hur, who has been appointed by former President Donald Trump as U.S. Attorney, is currently a litigation partner at a Washington, D.C. law firm.

"I will conduct the assigned investigation with fair, impartial, and dispassionate judgment," Hur said in a statement released by the Justice Department. "I intend to follow the facts swiftly and thoroughly, without fear or favor, and will honor the trust placed in me to perform this service." Garland had tasked U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois John Lausch with conducting a preliminary review of the matter and Thursday he said Lausch had recommended a special counsel be named.

"On January 5th, 2023, Mr. Lausch briefed me on the results of his initial investigation and advised me that further investigation by a special counsel was warranted. Based on Mr. Lausch's initial investigation, I concluded that, under the special counsel regulations, it was in the public interest to appoint a special counsel," Garland said. "In the days since, while Mr. Lausch continued the investigation, the department identified Mr. Hur for appointment as special counsel."

A senior Justice Department official said, "This is not a decision [Garland] made lightly but the regulations could not be more clear that based on the facts that resulted from U.S.Attorney Lausch's initial investigation an appointment of a special counsel in this manner is required." "This is a textbook case of what is required under the regulations," the official said.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ag-garland-expected-address-biden-classified-documents-matter/story?id=96391629



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Special counsel named to investigate Biden classified documents

U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Thursday he was appointing Robert Hur to serve as a special counsel to review classified material found in President Joe Biden's Delaware residence and a Washington office he used. Hur, now a lawyer at a Washington, D.C. firm, was the U.S. Attorney for Maryland during the Trump administration, and is also the former principal counselor to former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversaw the Mueller investigation.

Garland said Hur's appointment "authorizes him to investigate whether any person or entity violated the law in connection with this matter." Garland said the move was necessary because of the "extraordinary circumstances" involved. "I am confident Mr. Hur will carry out his responsibilities in an even-handed and urgent manner," he said. In a statement, Hur said "I will conduct the assigned investigation with fair, impartial, and dispassionate judgment. I intend to follow the facts swiftly and thoroughly, without fear or favor, and will honor the trust placed in me to perform this service."

The move came after the White House acknowledged publicly on Thursday that classified Obama administration documents were found in one of Biden's Delaware homes. This came after confirming Monday that documents had been found in a Washington office. Garland said DOJ was told about the documents in Biden's home on Dec. 20th. Biden's lawyer informed DOJ Thursday morning that one other document had been found in the home, the AG said.

Garland had previously asked John R. Lausch, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois and a holdover appointed by former President Donald Trump, to review how classified material ended up in a locked closet in a Washington, D.C. office that had been used Biden after he left office in 2017, a source familiar with the matter toldNBC Newsearlier this week. Garland said Lausch briefed him on his findings on Jan. 5, and "advised me that further investigation by a special counsel was warranted." Garland said he agreed but did not elaborate further.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-says-classified-documents-found-bidens-garage-delaware-rcna65509


U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Thursday he was appointing Robert Hur to serve as a special counsel to review classified material found in President Joe Biden's Delaware residence and a Washington office he used. Hur, now a lawyer at a Washington, D.C. firm, was the U.S. Attorney for Maryland during the Trump administration, and is also the former principal counselor to former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversaw the Mueller investigation.

The White House acknowledged on Thursday that classified Obama administration documents were found in one of Biden's Delaware homes. This came after confirming Monday that documents had been found in a Washington office. Garland had previously asked John R. Lausch, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois and a holdover appointed by former President Donald Trump, to review how classified material ended up in a locked closet in a Washington, D.C. office that had been used Biden after he left office in 2017, a source familiar with the matter toldNBC Newsearlier this week.

Multiple aides who worked for Biden in the final days of the Obama administration have already been interviewed by federal law enforcement officials, two people familiar with the matter told NBC Thursday. In a statement released Thursday, Richard Sauber, a counsel to Biden, said the additional documents were found during a search of Biden's two Delaware homes. He did not say how many there were or what level of classification. No documents were found in Biden's Rehoboth Beach residence.

In brief remarks to reporters, the president said the documents were found in "storage areas and file cabinets in my home, in my personal library." Asked why he'd had classified documents next to his Corvette in his garage, Biden said, "My Corvette's in a locked garage. It's not like they're sitting out on a street." He then added that "people know I take classified documents and classified material seriously."


Original article -

U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Thursday he was appointing Rob Hur to serve as a special counsel to review classified material found in President Joe Biden's Delaware residence and a Washington office he used. The White House acknowledged on Thursday that classified Obama administration documents were found in one of Biden's Delaware homes. This came after confirming Monday that documents had been found in a Washington office.

Garland had previously asked John R. Lausch, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois and a holdover appointed by former President Donald Trump, to review how classified material ended up in a locked closet in a Washington, D.C. office that had been used Biden after he left office in 2017, a source familiar with the matter toldNBC Newsearlier this week.

Multiple aides who worked for Biden in the final days of the Obama administration have already been interviewed by federal law enforcement officials, two people familiar with the matter told NBC Thursday.

In a statement released Thursday, Richard Sauber, a counsel to Biden, said the additional documents were found during a search of Biden's two Delaware homes. He did not say how many there were or what level of classification. No documents were found in Biden's Rehoboth Beach residence.
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AG Garland names Robert Hur as special counsel in Biden classified documents matter (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 OP
Garland is getting quicker, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #1
That's because Biden is fully cooperating with the DOJ, while Trump... AllTooEasy Jan 2023 #54
Broadcast networks all reporting live at the press conference Walleye Jan 2023 #2
Yeah, the coverage is a tad excessive today PatSeg Jan 2023 #44
Garland just did what Trump tried to bribe Zelenskyy to do Walleye Jan 2023 #53
Oh, I think the point PatSeg Jan 2023 #55
Actually, I am over reacting, this is probably the best move Walleye Jan 2023 #56
A lot of people are overreacting right now PatSeg Jan 2023 #57
I just had a bad memory of Ken Starr Walleye Jan 2023 #58
Oh, that's not good PatSeg Jan 2023 #59
Yes... keroro gunsou Jan 2023 #67
No comment. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2023 #3
Gee, two years to appoint a special counsel for trump, and two weeks for President Biden. JohnSJ Jan 2023 #4
It's ridiculous. Bluethroughu Jan 2023 #8
Yes it is. JohnSJ Jan 2023 #13
No criminal intent as far as we know... FarPoint Jan 2023 #84
The orange menace was recorded directing his armed rally Bluethroughu Jan 2023 #87
False and not in any way equivalent Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #22
Yes it was. AG Garland knew trump stole classified documents back in January 2021 JohnSJ Jan 2023 #51
Can you direct us to a report on that point? My recollection is the issue began to surface Feb 2022. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #76
Here............. JohnSJ Jan 2023 #78
Thanks. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #85
I admit Bernardo I took some liberty with the timeline. I guess what frustrates me with this JohnSJ Jan 2023 #86
My best guess is that the crimes are numerous, encrypted, and convoluted that it took Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #89
He was appointed in March 2021. Igel Jan 2023 #80
The National archives knew about it in May of 2021 JohnSJ Jan 2023 #83
Two weeks after tRump conflict of interest appeared, SC appointed. Also 2 weeks after Biden. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #90
I agree with most everything you said, except I believe the SC mandate is to discover evidence JohnSJ Jan 2023 #94
No. Mandate is to investigate. In Biden's case it will clear him. POSSIBLE, not suspected. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #95
A Special Counsel is appointed to investigate suspected cases of wrongdoing, because JohnSJ Jan 2023 #96
I'm pretty sure it was within days of the turd announcing for 2024. HardPort Jan 2023 #40
Curious, isn't it? Jamastiene Jan 2023 #61
On this point, Igel Jan 2023 #81
I hope this is secretly to call out how different the cases are. forgotmylogin Jan 2023 #71
Federal grand jury next week, indictments PCIntern Jan 2023 #5
Maybe Biden ducks line up quicker. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #19
Yawn, what a load of bollocks. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #23
Another Trump appointee I bet? gab13by13 Jan 2023 #6
Yup SheltieLover Jan 2023 #37
Couldn't Garland have found someone not chosen by Trump? We saw how Trump partisans Lonestarblue Jan 2023 #62
That was my 1st thought! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #64
No, this was wise. Igel Jan 2023 #82
We can be assured that the Maralago docs case is dead in the water. Sneederbunk Jan 2023 #7
Why? It shouldn't be. LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #16
Because the DOJ will use Biden case as an excuse not to prosecute TFG. Sneederbunk Jan 2023 #18
bull RussBLib Jan 2023 #21
Bullshit. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #24
They can't prosecute Biden because they could never prove intent William Seger Jan 2023 #29
The RW media will trial Biden and find him guilty. That's all that's needed. Facts do not matter. hadEnuf Jan 2023 #50
Very possible. old guy Jan 2023 #25
f'in garland.... getagrip_already Jan 2023 #9
+1 happy feet Jan 2023 #52
+2! Wuddles440 Jan 2023 #72
Hopefully to put it in perspective. Open/Docs Returned/Closed. TigressDem Jan 2023 #10
I'm really hoping that's what Garland has in mind (nt) William Seger Jan 2023 #34
Smith and Hur were both Trump appointees. gab13by13 Jan 2023 #11
Garland needs to be gone. He sucks as AG. liberalmuse Jan 2023 #12
He's known to be a Republican, and yes, he is a huge disappointment LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #15
I don't believe there are anymore trustworthy Republicans left. liberalmuse Jan 2023 #20
Geez, a snake in the grass... deliberately slowing things up for Reeps... ananda Jan 2023 #27
Is Biden stupid? sarisataka Jan 2023 #41
Was Poppy Bush stupid for appointing David Souter to the Supreme Court? Polybius Jan 2023 #43
Correct me if I'm wrong sarisataka Jan 2023 #45
Garland is showing his teeth FredGarvin Jan 2023 #14
I usually don't watch msnbc until 4 PM, gab13by13 Jan 2023 #17
Righties avoiding point by point comparison make Biden's case sound the same. RoeVWade Jan 2023 #26
Makes no difference FredGarvin Jan 2023 #30
Corporate media is fed the same facts as everyone else. They CHOOSE to spit out distortion. ancianita Jan 2023 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author chowder66 Jan 2023 #28
So far Bidens properties are still under investigation FredGarvin Jan 2023 #33
thanks. chowder66 Jan 2023 #35
You can bet someone in the House is already drawing up impeachment papers. -nt CrispyQ Jan 2023 #31
Garland laid out a timeline that explains WHY WASN'T THE PUBLIC INFORMED? underpants Jan 2023 #32
What a jackass! Mr. Sparkle Jan 2023 #36
Why a Rosenstein attorney? SheltieLover Jan 2023 #38
May be a naive take, but... AngryOldDem Jan 2023 #39
Biden made two bad, imho, cabinet appointments Deminpenn Jan 2023 #42
I absolutely agree Doug Jones would have been better. Much better. Novara Jan 2023 #47
This gives Garland cover for not prosecuting the orange shitstain Novara Jan 2023 #46
Nonsense. Smith is independent. If he charges tRump, Garland will not veto it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #92
No reason why this shouldn't conclude quickly... EarthFirst Jan 2023 #48
The best response here: don't give it oxygen... CapnSteve Jan 2023 #49
Loathsome cowardice on Garland's part. Xoan Jan 2023 #63
Nonsense. 2 weeks after tRump conflict of interest (announce) SC appointed. 2 weeks after Biden Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #93
He sure moved fast on this one. Jamastiene Jan 2023 #65
Merrick Garland's idea of fairness... dchill Jan 2023 #66
Merrick "Speedy" Garland in action. (nt) Paladin Jan 2023 #68
Under Sec. 600.6 the SC has independent authority to investigate and prosecute. Those in2herbs Jan 2023 #69
I'm tired of this crap. slightlv Jan 2023 #70
I haven't quite reached... Wuddles440 Jan 2023 #74
I get where you are coming from. Karma13612 Jan 2023 #88
I know that feeling. Jamastiene Jan 2023 #97
I doubt either Trump nor Biden is in serious trouble over this Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2023 #73
Garland trying to be righteous. hamsterjill Jan 2023 #75
Question republianmushroom Jan 2023 #77
Does this square with DU tin foilers who still think Garland is going after Trump? Emile Jan 2023 #79
No tin foil. Appointment of SC is a FACT. :eyes: Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #91
It COULD be interpreted as a Trump indictment being more likely News Junkie Jan 2023 #98

gab13by13

(32,318 posts)
1. Garland is getting quicker,
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:23 PM
Jan 2023

1 1/2 years to appoint a special counsel for Trump, 2 months to appoint one for President Biden.

AllTooEasy

(1,261 posts)
54. That's because Biden is fully cooperating with the DOJ, while Trump...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 04:16 PM
Jan 2023

...delayed and misdirected at every turn. Trump is still doing it. Give Biden credit.

Appointing a Special Prosecutor does not equal guilt, conviction, or impeachment.

Appointing a Special Prosecutor is the correct process, since Biden appointed Garland. Do you think a Trump/Repuke appointed DOJ would select a Special Prosecutor to investigate a sitting Repuke president? That case would be pushed under the rug faster that McCarthy has pushed Santos' lies under the rug. Give Biden's team some credit.

As I've said in another post, classified docs are assigned to specifics safes/location and to specific people. Accessing, removal, and transference of classified data is strictly logged. The investigators can quickly track down the chain of custody. I seriously doubt the logs will show President Biden supplying the combo to the safe or driving the secure carrier vehicle.

Walleye

(44,798 posts)
2. Broadcast networks all reporting live at the press conference
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:23 PM
Jan 2023

Gad, they were just dying for a story like this.
But her Emails!!!

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
44. Yeah, the coverage is a tad excessive today
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:31 PM
Jan 2023

I understand that the story needs to be covered, but the media is talking it to death and once again, there is absolutely nothing else going on in the world.

Now for the rest of the day, every show will cover the same story and then wonder why people are changing the channel.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
55. Oh, I think the point
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 04:20 PM
Jan 2023

was to be upfront and open about everything and not look like the administration was hiding anything.

Walleye

(44,798 posts)
56. Actually, I am over reacting, this is probably the best move
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 04:21 PM
Jan 2023

Now they can just answer the stupid questions by saying it’s an ongoing investigation

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
57. A lot of people are overreacting right now
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 04:29 PM
Jan 2023

I think this is the best way to clear the air and show there were no crimes committed.

That said, if Trump hadn't intentionally taken over 300 documents with him when he left the White House, this of course would not even be a story. Meanwhile, I wonder how common is it for a few documents to get packed by aides during a transition. I'll bet it happened in pretty much every administration, but it wasn't a scandal until Trump came along and turned everything upside down.

keroro gunsou

(2,305 posts)
67. Yes...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 05:27 PM
Jan 2023

Especially consider that he’s been dead since last September 13th. Good riddance.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
4. Gee, two years to appoint a special counsel for trump, and two weeks for President Biden.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:24 PM
Jan 2023

FarPoint

(14,765 posts)
84. No criminal intent as far as we know...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 08:14 PM
Jan 2023

So, a Special Counsel is totally over kill....I say why nothing on tRump? It has been 2 freaken years!

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
87. The orange menace was recorded directing his armed rally
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 10:56 PM
Jan 2023

Members to the capital to SAVE AMERICA. 2 years is to long. An insurrection is what it is, and the Congress members in text giving aid to it should be in prison next to him.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
22. False and not in any way equivalent
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:44 PM
Jan 2023

1. Not two years. The FBI search was middle of last year.

2. Biden immediately cooperated with National Archives, so the whole shebang jumped forward without a lot of backing and filling as was the case with tRump.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
76. Can you direct us to a report on that point? My recollection is the issue began to surface Feb 2022.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 07:04 PM
Jan 2023
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
78. Here.............
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 07:27 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Thu Jan 12, 2023, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)

While the DOJ didn’t formally go public until the end of 2021, they should have known about it because the National Archives and Records Administration made a request for those documents early in 2021

While Garland didn’t official assume the AG position until March of 2021, it wasn’t a secret that the National archives requested the classified documents from trump in May of 2021.

In addition, everyone was aware of January 6, 2021, and the alleged involvement of trump and key members of his administration and republicans in Congress.

It took AG Garland until November 18th 2022, before he appointed a special counsel for that and the classified documents

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/donald-trump-maralago-fbi-search-classified-documents/12175658/



 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
86. I admit Bernardo I took some liberty with the timeline. I guess what frustrates me with this
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 08:23 PM
Jan 2023

whose thing is from the January 6th insurrection, along with trump’s classified documents, is that it took until November 18, 2022 for a special counsel to be appointed for that.

It makes me very cynical that anything will actually be done

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
89. My best guess is that the crimes are numerous, encrypted, and convoluted that it took
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 07:54 AM
Jan 2023

... it took a long time to unravel some dimensions of it.

No question it is a long time, longer than I would have liked, but if this is the time it takes to pin down the criminals, so be it. They must be convicted. Quick charges are a thrill but often don't stick.

Re documents, part of the delay is that the National Archives had to sort stuff out and tabulate things. Then they had to ask the orange bloat for stuff. Then he said he'd cooperate but didn't. So that had to play out. When it became resolved that there was a high likelihood of malfeasance re documents, then warrants had to be prepared, obtained, search teams organized, and then the search and then the analysis after.

The thing to remember about tRump is that he is all about delay.

It was never certain that a special counsel was needed until tRump announced his campaign. At that point, as a former president running to be president again, an SC was definitely needed. SC is not about size, it is about separation to avoid conflict of interest. When he announced he was running against a sitting President with executive control over the DoJ, an SC was needed. Before that tRump was a private citizen, but yes, investigations still had to be careful and meticulous because he is an ex-president, he is "the former guy".

Smith inherited a massive ongoing investigation. It was the size of a special counsel investigation before it was declared. By all accounts he has hit the ground running.

I'm still positive there will be some high level convictions, Stone, Giuliani, tRump level. Who, I don't know. That's why there are investigators and prosecutors.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
80. He was appointed in March 2021.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 07:43 PM
Jan 2023

Nobody was talking about classified documents in a locked storeroom or a still-used office, much less a locked garage or unused office, back then. 1-6-21 left the atmosphere devoid of oxygen.

Trump was out of office 10 days when 2/1/21 hit, not nearly 6 years.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
83. The National archives knew about it in May of 2021
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 07:47 PM
Jan 2023

and I suspect earlier than that

The new AG General should have been aware of it when he took office

“Here's a timeline of the key moments from the investigation.

May 2021
An official from NARA contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House. In hopes of locating the missing items, NARA lawyer Gary Stern reaches out to someone who served in the White House counsel's office under Trump, who was the point of contact for recordkeeping matters. The missing documents include some of Trump's correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, as well as the map of Hurricane Dorian that Trump infamously altered with a sharpie pen.

Fall 2021
NARA grows frustrated with the slow pace of document turnover after several months of conversations with the Trump team. Stern reaches out to another Trump attorney to intervene. The archivist asks about several boxes of records that were apparently taken to Mar-a-Lago during Trump's relocation to Florida. NARA still doesn't receive the White House documents they are searching for.”

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/donald-trump-maralago-fbi-search-classified-documents/12175658/


Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
90. Two weeks after tRump conflict of interest appeared, SC appointed. Also 2 weeks after Biden.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 08:05 AM
Jan 2023

SC is about conflict of interest. Separation of the executive branch from investigation and charging and prosecution.

SC is not about investigating or charging. That has been happening all along.

If tRump had never announced, there might still be no SC because none would be needed. (Probably. DoJ might still have appointed one just to be sure.)

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
94. I agree with most everything you said, except I believe the SC mandate is to discover evidence
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 09:05 AM
Jan 2023

of suspected wrongdoing. That was obvious with trump because as you said he admitted as such.


Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
95. No. Mandate is to investigate. In Biden's case it will clear him. POSSIBLE, not suspected. nt
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 09:07 AM
Jan 2023
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
96. A Special Counsel is appointed to investigate suspected cases of wrongdoing, because
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 09:26 AM
Jan 2023

a conflict of interest may exist using the usual prosecuting authority. At least that is been my observation.

If there wasn’t a suspicion of wrongdoing, and a perceived conflict of interest in the DOJ from Garland’s perspective, the SC would not have been appointed.

The problem is there is no reason to suspect Biden of wrongdoing, and I believe the SC was appointed for purely political reasons

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
61. Curious, isn't it?
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 04:56 PM
Jan 2023

Republicans never pay for their crimes. Democrats pay the maximum for mere mistakes. I'm so sick of the double standard.

forgotmylogin

(7,952 posts)
71. I hope this is secretly to call out how different the cases are.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 06:13 PM
Jan 2023

Biden had a few misplaced documents and fully cooperated transparently when asked to return them.

Trump lied, refused to turn over documents, turned over some documents, lawyers said he complied when he had not, and still had stuff scattered across insecure offices a thousand miles away from DC.

Big difference between "whoops, this got left in a file cabinet in the office, here you go" and "NOTHING TO SEE HERE I DON'T HAVE ANY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AND EVEN IF I DID IT'S NOT ILLEGAL WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT AND EVEN IF IT WAS ILLEGAL I MAGICALLY MADE IT NOT ILLEGAL AND I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE IN HERE SEARCHING FOR AND SPREADING CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS ALL OVER MY CARPET I WASN'T SO MESSY WITH THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS THAT IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO HAVE, THEY'RE NOT CLASSIFIED, THEY WERE CLASSIFIED AND I MADE THEM MAGICALLY NOT, AND ALL PRESIDENTS DO IT ANYWAY SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?"

PCIntern

(28,366 posts)
5. Federal grand jury next week, indictments
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:25 PM
Jan 2023

By the end of the month, trial and execution by Valentine’s Day.

gab13by13

(32,318 posts)
6. Another Trump appointee I bet?
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:26 PM
Jan 2023

How can they investigate chain of custody when my local library keeps better records?

SheltieLover

(80,449 posts)
37. Yup
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:05 PM
Jan 2023

"Hur, now a lawyer at a Washington, D.C. firm, was the U.S. Attorney for Maryland during the Trump administration, and is also the former principal counselor to former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversaw the Mueller investigation."

Directly from article.

Lonestarblue

(13,479 posts)
62. Couldn't Garland have found someone not chosen by Trump? We saw how Trump partisans
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 05:05 PM
Jan 2023

operate with Judge Cannon. If Hur decides to do a Durham-style investigation, he can string it out to ensure that his findings hit around October 2024 just in time for the election. Durham also was reported by the media to have an excellent reputation, yet he proceeded to waste three years of taxpayer dollars to come up with essentially nothing while stringing along the media.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
82. No, this was wise.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 07:44 PM
Jan 2023

Hur's not going to be viewed as partisan hitman. He worked under Mueller on the Russia probe and is widely respected by both teams.

Did go after the corrupt Balto. mayor.

William Seger

(12,443 posts)
29. They can't prosecute Biden because they could never prove intent
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:54 PM
Jan 2023

... Whereas TFG has already testified against himself about his intent to keep (and use!) deliberately stolen documents.

hadEnuf

(3,613 posts)
50. The RW media will trial Biden and find him guilty. That's all that's needed. Facts do not matter.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:50 PM
Jan 2023

Then they will try and blow this up more than Benghazi to cover up for Trump's crimes. This whole thing stinks of a set up more and more every hour.

old guy

(3,299 posts)
25. Very possible.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:47 PM
Jan 2023

It's a way out for the DOJ if they have doubts on whether or not to prosecute tRump.

TigressDem

(5,126 posts)
10. Hopefully to put it in perspective. Open/Docs Returned/Closed.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:29 PM
Jan 2023

SC reports this is a nothing burger. Case closed.

liberalmuse

(18,881 posts)
12. Garland needs to be gone. He sucks as AG.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:35 PM
Jan 2023

I'm so disappointed in him. I'm convinced he's GOP.

liberalmuse

(18,881 posts)
20. I don't believe there are anymore trustworthy Republicans left.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:43 PM
Jan 2023

I'm so disgusted with all of this.

ananda

(35,142 posts)
27. Geez, a snake in the grass... deliberately slowing things up for Reeps...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:50 PM
Jan 2023

and speeding things up for Dems.

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
41. Is Biden stupid?
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:25 PM
Jan 2023

Because if the AG that he appointed is such an obvious republican operative that random internet posters can see it, then he must be stupid.


OTH maybe Biden is smart, knows what is going on in his admin and we shouldn't jump to conclusions every single time...

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
43. Was Poppy Bush stupid for appointing David Souter to the Supreme Court?
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:30 PM
Jan 2023

No, he was just duped.

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
45. Correct me if I'm wrong
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:32 PM
Jan 2023

But I believe a president is allowed to fire his AG and appoint a new one.

gab13by13

(32,318 posts)
17. I usually don't watch msnbc until 4 PM,
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:40 PM
Jan 2023

and I see that they have Barbara McQuade on instead of Joyce Vance. McQuade is a member of the wait and see crowd, Vance runs circles around her.

RoeVWade

(890 posts)
26. Righties avoiding point by point comparison make Biden's case sound the same.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:48 PM
Jan 2023

Don't be fooled. Break it down.

 

FredGarvin

(846 posts)
30. Makes no difference
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:56 PM
Jan 2023

The MSM is ABLAZE with this story.

"Another huge indiscretion committed by the Democrats".

It's unfair, but thats how corporate media is fed

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
60. Corporate media is fed the same facts as everyone else. They CHOOSE to spit out distortion.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 04:49 PM
Jan 2023

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

 

FredGarvin

(846 posts)
33. So far Bidens properties are still under investigation
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:58 PM
Jan 2023

Trump's property searches have been concluded AFAIK.



underpants

(196,493 posts)
32. Garland laid out a timeline that explains WHY WASN'T THE PUBLIC INFORMED?
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 02:56 PM
Jan 2023

The time line went from Nov. 2 to Nov. 9 when the DOJ started searching if anything else was mishandled. So the public wasn’t informed because it was an ongoing investigation.

I can’t even repeat the nonsense I heard on talk radio from Valley Girl Dana Loesch. Bizarre.

SheltieLover

(80,449 posts)
38. Why a Rosenstein attorney?
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:10 PM
Jan 2023

"Hur, now a lawyer at a Washington, D.C. firm, was the U.S. Attorney for Maryland during the Trump administration, and is also the former principal counselor to former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversaw the Mueller investigation."



AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
39. May be a naive take, but...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:11 PM
Jan 2023

Biden should welcome and support this. His team found the docs, notified the appropriate people, and turned them over with no fuss, unlike Trump. When it’s proven that this is exactly what happened, case closed. Nothing to see here. Mistakes were made.

My anger is more with the carelessness of those responsible for handling this stuff as it moved out of the WH. Clearly some protocols need to be put in place, and/or updated, and followed.

If it turns out something more nefarious happened, that will come out too.

Quite frankly, I’m getting sick of all this shit and how the GOP and the media will now not let this go.

Deminpenn

(17,504 posts)
42. Biden made two bad, imho, cabinet appointments
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:27 PM
Jan 2023

Garland is one. Not because he's he's unqualified, but because he was a judge and carried with him that judicial perspective and temperment. As a prosecutor, you have to have an agressive mindset not a deliberative one. I'm sorry Garland got jobbed by McConnell out of a SCOTUS seat, but that's life. Biden didn't need to give him the consolation job of running DoJ. Doug Jones would have been so much better.

Myorkas is the second one. Jmho, but he's been a disaster as DHS secretary. ICE and Border Patrol are still out of control and he has done nothing to distinguish himself in other areas.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
46. This gives Garland cover for not prosecuting the orange shitstain
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:36 PM
Jan 2023

Thanks, Biden, for making sure the orange shitstain never gets prosecuted for the easiest of all of his crimes to prove.

Garland is so fucking afraid to "look political" that he can hardly prosecute the orange shitstain and not go after Biden, REGARDLESS OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO CASES. So he just won't prosecute.

It took him no time at all to appoint a special counsel here and it took him 19 months to appoint one for the orange shitstain. This right here is the clearest sign that he's not treating the cases the same.

And another thing? If you have to parse the details to show the cases are not similar, you've already lost the narrative. It does not matter that Biden could be completely exonerated and he's cooperating fully, and he never said THESE ARE MINE, ALL MINE, YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY MY TOYS. If you have to explain how the cases are not the same, you've already lost. The other side only sees "both sides."

EarthFirst

(4,153 posts)
48. No reason why this shouldn't conclude quickly...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:42 PM
Jan 2023

I mean; it’s not as though there’s an army of lawyers attempting to delay.

Nothing here…

CapnSteve

(405 posts)
49. The best response here: don't give it oxygen...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 03:44 PM
Jan 2023

What do you do with a whirling dervish? Let them whirl.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
93. Nonsense. 2 weeks after tRump conflict of interest (announce) SC appointed. 2 weeks after Biden
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 08:11 AM
Jan 2023

Two weeks after tRump (an ex-president) announced run for prez, SC appointed to separate investigation and prosecution from political conflict of interest.

Two weeks after Biden conflict of interest (sitting President), SC appointed to separate investigation and prosecution from political conflict of interest.

It was the campaign announcement that triggered the SC. Investigation and prosecutions have been going for a long time. The appointment of the SC in tRump's case after two years of investigation is a signal that there is a serious crime there.

In Biden's case, the appointment is NOT a signal of serious crime. It is only because he is a sitting President. Further, it happened quickly after the discovery because Biden COOPERATED.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
65. He sure moved fast on this one.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 05:15 PM
Jan 2023

Is he sure he won't corrupt the investigation at this speed? Doesn't he have to make sure he has all his ducks in a row, i's dotted, and t's crossed first? Oh, that's right. When it is a Democrat, we pay dearly. When it's a Republican, they never ever pay.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
66. Merrick Garland's idea of fairness...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 05:16 PM
Jan 2023

Two years to appoint Special Counsel for Donald Trump. Two minutes to appoint Special Counsel for Joe Biden. Way to go, Queeks Draw McGraw!

in2herbs

(4,389 posts)
69. Under Sec. 600.6 the SC has independent authority to investigate and prosecute. Those
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 06:04 PM
Jan 2023

powers also include whether or not the SC should inform or consult with the AG or others in the DOJ about any decision by the SC.

I don’t like anything about this situation, but if Garland appointed a SC to distance himself from any investigation then I am in favor. The House can subpoena Garland as many times as it wants but they can never hold him in contempt for refusing to provide information because by appointing a SC Garland can claim he is not privy to any information. And the House has no control over the AG or DOJ.

If there are truly indictments coming down against Trump a Trump appointee as SC deflates any claim the Rs can make about bias.

So suck on that RePugs!

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
70. I'm tired of this crap.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 06:07 PM
Jan 2023

Just put Trump back in office. Find someplace in the world for the rest of us who will not live under trump. And then tear up this country to complete third world status. That's what they want. Hell, I'm so sick of this double standard I'll stand in front of a firing squad screaming about it.

No wonder Major bit the Secret Service people who were in quarters they had no business being in. I'd still lay odds the same people have laid all kinds of traps for Biden for these last two years. This is only the first, thanks to the ongoing coup that Garland and the other slow running others have enabled.

There is no justice in this country. Period. I'm done. I have no hope left. It's all rigged and after living for the good fight all my youthful life, I have no fight left in me. Kill them all and let their god sort them out.

Wuddles440

(2,094 posts)
74. I haven't quite reached...
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 06:52 PM
Jan 2023

your level of frustration and disgust yet, but I'm getting close to that point...real close...

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
88. I get where you are coming from.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 04:14 AM
Jan 2023

I really really do.

I’m not sure how to console you because, at times, I feel exactly the same way.

When the feelings get to this point, I just turn off the world and dive into one of my hobbies. Escapism is all we have left. I’m powerless to do much about all the stuff on a national or global scale. I recycle, I drive a fuel efficient car, I am careful with water use, I reuse stuff, I watch my spending, eat pretty good, try to exercise, I vote in each election. In a nut shell, I try to be a good citizen and not a burden on our country.

I feel helpless when I see all the crap happening over which I have zero control. Stuff that can and will touch my life despite my efforts to avoid the bad outcomes. It’s anxiety producing. But we are not alone. Remember that.

I feel the same way as you.

Try to find some comfort to ease the feelings now if you can. At least for awhile. 🙋🏼‍♀️☹️🫂

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
97. I know that feeling.
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 10:07 AM
Jan 2023

I feel much the same way most of the time any more.

It really does look like there will always be two sets of rules.

The Republicans take power and set things up so they can have whatever they want. When Democrats take power, the Republicans still set things up so they can have whatever they want PLUS the other branches of government controlled by Republicans tie Democrats' hands so we can't do a damn thing.

A good case study in that is how the NCLEG did Governor Cooper when he first got in office. Someone should write a book about how horrible that was. They made special rules just for him so he could not govern until he fought his way through the courts, wasting precious time, money, and effort.

I still think the Republicans should be locked in a cave until they evolve and the rest of us can move on without them. It's what they want, where they want to be anyhow. Why not send them back to the caves to finish forming into thinking human beings?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,961 posts)
73. I doubt either Trump nor Biden is in serious trouble over this
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 06:48 PM
Jan 2023

Even given the relative volumes of documents involved.

Unless rock.solid.evidence were to be found that the information was improperly shared AND that the sharing created a genuine threat to National Security AND/OR put lives of US operatives at risk AND/OR compromised sources and methods, basically they are in improper possession of government property. Can they be convicted of a felony? Yes. If one or both is smart, they negotiate to a plea of Nolo Contendere to a misdemeanor, pay a fine (probably 5 figures), and go on with their lives. At one level, that is more difficult for Trump because he's fought this so hard.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
75. Garland trying to be righteous.
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 06:54 PM
Jan 2023

It’s absurd. Democrats are going to “go high” one too many times and lose this country.

What a complete clusterfuck.

 

News Junkie

(312 posts)
98. It COULD be interpreted as a Trump indictment being more likely
Fri Jan 13, 2023, 10:20 AM
Jan 2023

If there is to be an indictment of Trump and not Biden, Garland would need to distance himself with a Trump-appointed special prosecutor more than ever. Just a possibility.

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