Putin ally Medvedev warns NATO of nuclear war if Russia defeated in Ukrainee

[WhiteTara]

Source: Reuters

By Guy Faulconbridge and Felix Light

MOSCOW (Reuters) -Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, an ally of Kremlin chief Vladimir Putin, warned the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) on Thursday that the defeat of Russia in Ukraine could trigger a nuclear war.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine, Medvedev has repeatedly raised the threat of a nuclear apocalypse, but his admission now of the possibility of Russia's defeat indicates the level of Moscow's concern over increased Western weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

"The defeat of a nuclear power in a conventional war may trigger a nuclear war," Medvedev, who serves as deputy chairman of Putin's powerful security council, said in a post on Telegram.

"Nuclear powers have never lost major conflicts on which their fate depends," said Medvedev, who served as president from 2008 to 2012.

Medvedev said NATO and other defence leaders, due to meet at Ramstein Air Base in Germany on Friday to talk about strategy and support for the West's attempt to defeat Russia in Ukraine, should think about the risks of their policy.

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I guess that now we have to put nuclear annihilation on the bingo card.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. That's "MAD" in a literal and figurative way.

Wouldn't Russia be reciprocally nuked if that happened?

[cstanleytech]

3. "Wouldn't Russia be reciprocally nuked if that happened?" Yup which is why I would not be

surprised if you saw a military coup if Putin or his allies ordered a first strike.
Unless of course NATO forces invaded Russia itself without provocation which is not going to happen as NATO is not built around being able to easily conduct a first strike on the scope of invading a major power like Russia.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

9. If they nuked a Nato member or launched against us

Absolutely. If they use tactical nukes against Ukraine, eh, that's far less of a guarantee.

[ewagner]

20. Mutually Assured Destruction

We're back to where we were in October of 1962....

I live through that in Florida. MAD is a sobering, terrifying thought but that's where we are AGAIN!

[cstanleytech]

2. It hasnt triggered the US in the past and we lost Vietnam and both the US and Russia lost

in Afganistan.

[doc03]

4. About every two months the Russians start talking nukes. nt

[SKKY]

5. I'm telling you, Russia scares the crap out of me with this nonsense...

...For whatever reason, they see NATO as an existential threat, and Putin once said, when asked about nuclear war and global devastation, "What do I care about a world that doesn't have Russia?"

[PSPS]

24. Don't be

They don't "see NATO as an existential threat" at all. No NATO country has ever invaded Russia. Putin just never got over the breakup of the USSR and this is his attempt to put it back together again.

[Ray Bruns]

48. Well, there was that episode in 1941 with Germany.

[Happy Hoosier]

32. It's horseshit.

They know NATO is not interested in destroying Russia. hell, until this expansionist crap, Europe was anxious to engage economically with Russia. It's only Putin's idiotic desire to retore the Soviet Empire that is an issue.

If Russia withdrew from Ukraine, Europe would be back to trading with them in 6 months.

[myohmy2]

6. putin...

...and his boys need to declare victory in Ukraine and go home...

...nothing short of Russia being pushed out of Ukraine will satisfy the West and putin knows that...

...to reward Russian aggression on this scale would only invite even greater Russian aggression and EVERYONE knows that...

...Russia need to stop imagining threats and enemies that don't exist before something really nasty happens...

...putin...

[mpcamb]

7. Move Putin's office to the 23rd floor.

Time for the generals to have a conference and settle this the easy way.

[Kennah]

43. Office with lots of windows

[William Seger]

8. If Medvedev really believes that

... then he and his comrades have a moral obligation to neutralize Putin before that happens.

[C_U_L8R]

10. Tantrums will get you nowhere.

[OldBaldy1701E]

11. I guess you have not been in a Walmart or a school board meeting recently. (n/t)

[ewagner]

21. Bingo! N/T

[Lonestarblue]

12. Vladimir Kara-Murza recently wrote an opinion piece for WaPo in which he stated his belief

that Putin was afraid to order a nuclear strike because his generals would not obey him. We can all hope this is true, and the generals known the retaliation from NATO would effectively mean massive strikes on the Russian homeland. I doubt that NATO would retaliate with nuclear weapons, but even their conventional weapons would cause enormous damage to Russia, which so far has escaped any serious damage on their soil.

[Happy Hoosier]

34. That's possible, but...

... I think it's more likely that Putin knows it's not a realistic strategy.

He knows Ukraine can't be completely conquered, but he believes that his authroitarian government can stick the war out longer than the west is willing to, and he'll get a slice of Ukraine.

The nuclear sabre rattling is an attempt to to accelerate weaking resolve in teh west. Germany and France's weak-kneed responses are his hope. He wants to force Ukraine to negotiate Donbas away. Then we'll get 10 years of "Peace" and we do this all over again.

[MayReasonRule]

13. Always Has Been On The Bingo Cards

[Layzeebeaver]

14. Nuclear powers have never lost major conflicts on which their fate depends

I guess since this conflict is one that has no bearing on Russia's fate, then we are all going to be just fine.

Wait what?

That is one weird spin of logic from Mr. Medvedev...

[multigraincracker]

15. Stand up to a bully.

Never back down or that person will own you.

[padah513]

16. All these guys talk like they'll survive a nuke war. It's called MAD for a reason

Better get their spelunking skills up.

[Oneironaut]

36. At that point it's kind of silly to even be alive, tbh.

I’ve always found the mindset of, “We’ll survive, but, in a 100x100 foot bunker eating the same MREs and canned food for the rest of our lives” kind of funny. If there’s a civilization-ending nuclear war, I would prefer to just be incinerated into ash almost instantly.

It’s like people like Putin or Medvedev think that they’ll be able to stay in a bunker for a month or two and then come out and throw their money around to get all the luxuries of modern life. Russia would literally be a frozen wasteland, and, they would just be delaying their inevitable painful deaths by either starvation, radiation poisoning, infection, or hypothermia.

It’s totally delusional.

[Justice matters.]

40. I hope the DoD sends that truth to these terrorists (medvedev & putler).

I believe they do.

[lark]

17. Nuclear war has always been a remote possibility in this war.

The goal posts keep being moved, so they obviously realize this isn't something they should do. Any attack on Ukraine will kill many Russians and people from countries who support them (Belarus) as well. Not saying Russia/Putin wouldn't do this, if we bombed them, I'm sure they would retaliate. But since we won't be doing that, I truly don't expect the nukes to fly.

[AllaN01Bear]

29. a nuke attack there would affect most of the planet. think fallout

and if everybody let loose , then no survivaal

[lark]

30. Russia does know that or they'd already have used them since they're losing.

What in the hell is Putin thinking these days to put out this lead balloon? Let me win or else?

[niyad]

18. Somebody please finish him already!

[Botany]

19. I.O.W. Russia is losing the war and they know there is no way to stop the U.A. and its allies ...

.... from pushing the Russian forces out of all Ukraine including the Crimea. And that when Ukraine gets
state of the art attack fighters it will be game over. I hope the Russian people and military take care of
Putin ASAP.

[PSPS]

22. He'd say the same thing after putin invades the next country, and the next, and the next ...

[Magoo48]

23. Aren't jingoistic, saber slashing, testosteronicly greedy-MIC-money fueled, swinging-dick bully boys

and madmen just sooooo sexy when they talk arms, and patriots, and nukes. War porn at its finest, mushroom clouds—truly orgasmic. Yahooooooooo.

[orangecrush]

25. "Hello? Hello, Dmitry?"

Go piss up a rope.

[peppertree]

47. +1

'Dmitry' is desperate - and like all desperate fools, resorts to bluffing like crazy.

[orangecrush]

52. +1

[Ray Bruns]

49. "Yes it's a friendly call. If it wasn't a friendly call, you wouldn't have got it at all."

That line always makes me chuckle.

[orangecrush]

51. ...

[Aghast]

26. Twofer

Well, my guess is that they would lose two in a row then .

[AllaN01Bear]

27. i saw a video where a minute man missile silo was made into a museum

there was a exercise where a simulation came down for a nuke launch. half of the participants couldnt turn the keys .

[cab67]

28. Why is Russia's fate dependent on this particular conflict?

I mean, Putin's fate may now depend on it, but Russia's security hinges on this conflict about as much as American security depended on the invasion of Iran.

[Aussie105]

53. "The defeat of a nuclear power in a conventional war may trigger a nuclear war,"

This line worries me.

How is being forced to pull back to behind your own borders, a defeat?

How is being told that that your invasion of another country isn't acceptable, a defeat?

How is being told 'we do not want you to take over Ukraine' by the rest of the world, a defeat?

Big tough man promises a major childish temper tantrum if his friend doesn't get his way?

[bluestarone]

31. I'm thinking this guy doesn't want to be thrown out a window!

Talk big, so he doesn't die by POOTY soldiers in the night!

[JohnnyRingo]

33. I always had great hope in Medvedev, and I still do

.....in spite of him rattling Vlad's atomic saber. I'd like to think he was put up to this statement by people who keep him in power.

He and I grew up in similar lifestyles. He liked to party, grew his hair long, and followed Western hard rock bands. Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple had no greater fan than Dmitry Medvedev. He held promise when he briefly became a liberal president for a new Russia, but was toppled by Putin who kept him in a coveted position of power.

I really want to believe he's reading this from a script he was handed.

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[Rebl2]

41. Probably

toes the line to stay alive so as not be tossed out of a sixth floor window, if you get my drift.

[Ray Bruns]

50. OMG. That picture looks like me in high school.

[LiberalFighter]

35. He needs to disappear. Permanently!

[Happy Hoosier]

37. If we were to buckle to Russia on this....

.... there would be no end to the nuclear blackmail.



Same with the GrOPers on the debt ceiling.... give in to them now and that'll be SOP from now on.

[Oneironaut]

38. On the bright side, it's typical Russian whining to threaten nuclear war now.

They’re a clown show. This rhetoric is theater almost purely aimed at a domestic audience.

[Strelnikov_]

39. The problem is bigger than Putin

Many, including myself, are wishing Putin goes away.

Problem is, we may be trading Mitt Romney for Donald Trump.

Russia has its own far-right 'MRGA' cult. And just like MAGA, the players are in it mostly for the money and power, but the end result is the same.

I see Medvedev's statement as a script being read to appease the MRGA types.

++++

EU forces need to move into Ukraine, purely defensive forces, up to the Dnieper. This takes most of Ukraine off the table, and lets them concentrate on getting a majority of their territory back.

Let Russia have Donbas, and part of Crimea. To appease the MRGA, Ukraine has to give Putin an out. Get things turned off, and over the years get the rest of the territory back through negotiation (sanctions relief if Russia returns Ukrainian territory).

I know it is hard to believe, but the world could end up with someone far worse than Putin leading Russia.

[XorXor]

42. During the needless US war in Vietnam, Russia provided N. Vietnam with air defense

Weapons and training that shot down thousands of US aircraft. During Russias invasion of Afghanistan the US provided stingers that shot down countless Russian helicopters. Neither those or anything similar lead to either side threatening nuclear war if they lost, did they?

[blue-wave]

44. Ummmm......

"Nuclear powers have never lost major conflicts on which their fate depends," said Medvedev, who served as president from 2008 to 2012.


Russia's fate does not depend on Russia winning the war in Ukraine. Ukraine's fate depends on Ukraine winning. Stop being the Russian jackass you are Medvedev.

[ColinC]

45. They are babies with nuclear weapons.

"If we don't get what we want, we will blow up the world!!"

So should we forfeit the United States now, or just wait till they threaten nuclear war if we don't concede it?

[Initech]

46. I'd rather it just take out Putin, Medvedev, and their troll bot factory.

Then no innocent life would be lost.

[dalton99a]

54. "Because we Russians have the manliest biggest nukes"