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BumRushDaShow

(169,307 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:01 PM Feb 2023

Fed raises rates a quarter point, expects 'ongoing' increases

Source: CNBC

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday raised its benchmark interest rate by a quarter percentage point and gave little indication it is nearing the end of this hiking cycle.
Aligning with market expectations, the rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee boosted the federal funds rate by 0.25 percentage point. That takes it to a target range of 4.5%-4.75%, the highest since October 2007.

The move marked the eighth increase in a process that began in March 2022. By itself, the funds rate sets what banks charge each other for overnight borrowing, but it also spills through to many consumer debt products. The Fed is targeting the hikes to bring down inflation that, despite recent signs of slowing, is still running near its highest level since the early 1980s.

The post-meeting statement noted that inflation “has eased somewhat but remains elevated,” a tweak on previous language.

“Inflation data received over the past three months show a welcome reduction in the monthly pace of increases,” Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said in his post-meeting news conference. “And while recent developments are encouraging, we will need substantially more evidence to be confident that inflation is on a sustained downward path.”

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/01/fed-rate-decision-february-2023-quarter-point-hike.html



Article updated.

Previous article -

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday raised its benchmark interest rate by a quarter percentage point and gave little indication that it is nearing the end of this hiking cycle. Aligning with market expectations, the rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee boosted the federal funds rate by 0.25 percentage point. That takes it to a target range of 4.5%-4.75%, the highest since October 2007.
 
The move marked the eighth increase in a process that began in March 2022. By itself, the funds rate sets what banks charge each other for overnight borrowing, but it also spills through to many consumer debt products. The Fed is targeting the hikes to bring down inflation that, despite recent signs of slowing, is still running near its highest level since the early 1980s.

The post-meeting statement noted that inflation “has eased somewhat but remains elevated,” a tweak on previous language. Markets, however, were looking to this week’s meeting for signs that the Fed would be ending the rate increases soon. But the statement provided no such signals. Stocks sold off in the wake of the announcement, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average tumbling more than 300 points.

The document included language noting that the FOMC still sees the need for “ongoing increases in the target range.” Market participants had been hoping for some softening of the phrase, but the statement, approved unanimously, kept it intact. The statement did alter one part when describing what will determine the future policy path.



Original article and headline -

Fed raises rates by a quarter percentage point as it continues inflation fight

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday released its decision on interest rates following its two-day meeting.

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Fed raises rates a quarter point, expects 'ongoing' increases (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 OP
Weakest sauce available bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #1
25 bps has been locked for weeks. If anybody you're following suggested otherwise, stop following mathematic Feb 2023 #2
David Rosenberg is not a lightweight bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #3
Not necessarily BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 #6
Is that the one that I end with my usual incisive hard-hitting commentary? progree Feb 2023 #13
Yup. BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 #14
An increase is not a pause muriel_volestrangler Feb 2023 #7
How can inflation return if the Fed keeps hiking? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2023 #8
They should hold now. Not going to get significant decreases in inflation until the Ukraine war is harun Feb 2023 #4
+1 peppertree Feb 2023 #5
Too late- inflation has already decreased significantly since June 2022. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2023 #10
Exactly! nt pazzyanne Feb 2023 #12
We've already seen inflation ease significantly Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #15
Stagflation here we come. LudwigPastorius Feb 2023 #9
Not even close Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #16
Interesting how Canada is pausing while the Fed is not. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2023 #11
Canada doesn't have to do everything the US does IronLionZion Feb 2023 #19
Like I said, historically, the BOC moves in lock step with the Fed 90% of the time. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2023 #22
Biden is absolutely killing IronLionZion Feb 2023 #17
The fed is a perfect metaphor Alpeduez21 Feb 2023 #18
Correct! It won't stop GOUGING and the endless GREEDFLATION will continue Bengus81 Feb 2023 #21
Graphs of inflation situation ... CPI, PCE, PPI -- regular and core measures of each progree Feb 2023 #20
Changes from previous month are misleading without the back context of the harun Feb 2023 #23
What is the "actual" inflation rate? progree Feb 2023 #24
Good points harun Feb 2023 #27
The Fed is doing more damage than fascist republicans, oh wait, they are fascist republicans. nt yaesu Feb 2023 #25
Seems like nothing can stop this Obama/Biden economy. nt BootinUp Feb 2023 #26
Just reported....Shell Oil profits DOUBLE from 2021 to almost $40 billion Bengus81 Feb 2023 #28
Worse BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 #29
CNN needs to check the story then........ Bengus81 Feb 2023 #30
CNN did one on ExxonMobil last week (ExxonMobil is what I mentioned as "worse" ) BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 #31
Thanks...just woke up---LOL!! Bengus81 Feb 2023 #32
I know the feeling!!! BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 #33
I really think there needs to be an excessive profit tax. Initech Feb 2023 #34

bucolic_frolic

(55,032 posts)
1. Weakest sauce available
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:07 PM
Feb 2023

This means inflation will return. Tapering as fast as possible. Economists that I follow predicted a pause by June. This is way too early. My guess is they're influenced by the heavily-weighted drop in energy in December.

mathematic

(1,610 posts)
2. 25 bps has been locked for weeks. If anybody you're following suggested otherwise, stop following
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:18 PM
Feb 2023

There's been no uncertainty in the market regarding this rate hike. The Fed was very clear in its plans. Nobody with a worthwhile economic opinion was predicting anything other than 25 bps.

bucolic_frolic

(55,032 posts)
3. David Rosenberg is not a lightweight
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:22 PM
Feb 2023

and while he didn't make a specific prediction that I saw for this rate hike, he was more focused on the pause and the pivot.

BumRushDaShow

(169,307 posts)
6. Not necessarily
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:38 PM
Feb 2023

I think some of these "analysts" keep trying to shoe-horn their past theories and practices into a freak economic situation and they keep getting burned over and over. You see it with the wild swings and misses that have happened the past 2 years when it comes to all kinds of predictions - for the UE rate, the GDP, the CPI, and yes even inflation (as well as other indicators).

I even found an interesting article last week that brought up the "return" of the concept of the "money supply", its assumed role in the past as a major "cause" for fueling inflation, and how that was finally debunked. However it might finally be a truer measure for the current bizarre economic circumstance (although it is actually being handled with these interest rate increases too).

A little soliloquy here with progree - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143024534#post23

muriel_volestrangler

(106,148 posts)
7. An increase is not a pause
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:39 PM
Feb 2023

so I can't see how a pause in June is incompatible with "gave little indication that it is nearing the end of this hiking cycle".

Fiendish Thingy

(23,101 posts)
8. How can inflation return if the Fed keeps hiking?
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:53 PM
Feb 2023

They are reducing the size of their hikes in an attempt to avoid a recession, but today’s report doesn’t sound like a pause and pivot is on the horizon.

harun

(11,381 posts)
4. They should hold now. Not going to get significant decreases in inflation until the Ukraine war is
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:23 PM
Feb 2023

over and driving rates up isn't going to help end that. It will just severely hurt people in adjustable rate mortgages.

peppertree

(23,312 posts)
5. +1
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:38 PM
Feb 2023

Perhaps hurting people is the point - what with the '24 campaign season approaching and all.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,101 posts)
10. Too late- inflation has already decreased significantly since June 2022.
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:55 PM
Feb 2023

Just not enough for the Fed to stop rate hikes.

Johnny2X2X

(24,162 posts)
15. We've already seen inflation ease significantly
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 04:09 PM
Feb 2023

Down from over 9% CPI to 5.7% CPI last month.

The signs are there across the board now that inflation will continue to ease. The crazy part is that the job market is remaining red hot through it all. But consumer spending is pausing or pulling back, so that's probably going to cause GDP to be near 0 for a quarter or 2. A recession is 50/50 now, but it should be pretty shallow if we do have one.

But there's a massive shortage of workers still, so do not expect UE to go up much or wages to fall.

On Wall Street, I think we're about to see a nice Bull Run the next several months, lots pointing to that.

Johnny2X2X

(24,162 posts)
16. Not even close
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 04:10 PM
Feb 2023

We have a 50 year low in UE and December saw job openings increase to 11 Million. Labor market remains strong with no end in sight.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,101 posts)
11. Interesting how Canada is pausing while the Fed is not.
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 03:58 PM
Feb 2023

The BOC usually moves in lock step with the Fed 90% of the time, but when they don’t, it weakens the Loonie.

Thank goodness most of my retirement income is in $USD (although a weaker loonie increases my Canadian tax liability).

IronLionZion

(51,205 posts)
19. Canada doesn't have to do everything the US does
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 04:16 PM
Feb 2023

They are the first major central bank to pause rate hikes to observe what happens over the next few months. Conservatives have been hitting Trudeau on inflation, which is still higher than their target.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/bank-canada-hikes-rates-becomes-first-major-central-bank-signal-pause-2023-01-25/

Fiendish Thingy

(23,101 posts)
22. Like I said, historically, the BOC moves in lock step with the Fed 90% of the time.
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 05:02 PM
Feb 2023

When they don’t, the Loonie gets hammered, which bumps inflation up.

If the Fed keeps hiking through 2023, I expect the BOC “pause” won’t last long.

Alpeduez21

(2,044 posts)
18. The fed is a perfect metaphor
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 04:15 PM
Feb 2023

for when you're only tool is a hammer every problem looks like a nail. I would like some talking head to have Yellin explain how this will reduce the price of eggs, or any other commodity which is the real issue of inflation for most of America. I know this action will keep homes unaffordable and will do nothing to make those prices drop.

Bengus81

(10,144 posts)
21. Correct! It won't stop GOUGING and the endless GREEDFLATION will continue
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 04:39 PM
Feb 2023

The major banks that are making out like a bandit just LOVE getting yet another raise every time they turn around. Does anyone really think these 7-8 rate hikes would have happened to Trump or any other CON as President?

progree

(12,947 posts)
20. Graphs of inflation situation ... CPI, PCE, PPI -- regular and core measures of each
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 04:20 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Wed Feb 15, 2023, 02:08 PM - Edit history (3)

CPI - because I've got a pretty new graph
Last 6 months ANNUALIZED:
CPI: +1.9%
CORE CPI: +4.6% < == this is still high. Last 3 months: 3.2% annualized



CPI news release - https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm
CPI - https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0&output_view=pct_1mth
CORE CPI - http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0L1E&output_view=pct_1mth

UPDATE: the 2/14/23 CPI report (also, on 2/10/23, the BLS revised CPI numbers going back 5 years)




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PCE - Personal Consumption Expenditures price index -- historically the Fed has targeted the Core PCE (but they've got a fancy new favorite supercore one)

PCE: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143025190#post11

Sorry I only have monthly percent change number for the last 5 months at the moment
Aug Sep   Oct Nov   Dec
0.3   0.3   0.4   0.1   0.1 PCE
0.6   0.5   0.3   0.2   0.3 CORE PCE


Instructions for digging further back are at the above link

PCE Report and tables: https://www.bea.gov/news/2023/personal-income-and-outlays-december-2022

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PPI - Producer Price Index (wholesale prices)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/111695059#post1

Last 6 months ANNUALIZED:
PPI: -0.2%
CORE PPI: +2.6%

Monthly percent changes from prior month:


Monthly percent changes from prior month:


# Latest PPI summary http://www.bls.gov/news.release/ppi.nr0.htm
# Producer prices front page: http://www.bls.gov/ppi/
# Producer Price Index (PPI), seasonally adjusted
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/WPSFD4?output_view=pct_1mth

# OLD CORE PPI - Producer Price Index, seasonally adjusted - Final demand goods less foods and energy -
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/WPSFD413?output_view=pct_1mth

# CORE PPI - Producer Price Index, seasonally adjusted - Final demand goods less foods. energy. and trade services -
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/WPSFD49116?output_view=pct_1mth

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I'll work on doing the PCE and PPI graphs the same as I did for the CPI graph: red for the regular one and blue for the core, and on the regular and core on the same graph.

Edit - Added links to the reports and data for each

harun

(11,381 posts)
23. Changes from previous month are misleading without the back context of the
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 05:48 PM
Feb 2023

actual inflation rate.

Going from 9 to 7 (example) is good, but getting the actual down to 2 is what is the actual target.

progree

(12,947 posts)
24. What is the "actual" inflation rate?
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 06:09 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Wed Feb 1, 2023, 06:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Nobody serious looks at the year over year figure when assessing RECENT inflation. That's a media / pundit thing. Yes, I know, the media rarely report anything except the latest monthly figure and the year over year figure. I frankly don't give a damn about media reports.

The Fed doesn't target a 12 month (year-over-year) inflation rate, unless you have read something different. In which case I would very much appreciate a link. I don't believe they are dumb enough to set monetary policy based on 6 months old and older data (other than to help assess the trend). At least I hope not. If they did, they would seriously overshoot.

The "context" is the 12 monthly changes like in all my graphs (except the PCE one -- maybe you can furnish that and I will include that). That's more "context", than just giving one year-over-year number, and far more than in almost all media reports. In fact its a superset of the information that is contained in a year-over-year number. If providing more information is "misleading", then I am extremely very sorry. I trust most of my fellow progressives won't be misled by looking at more information as opposed to a single datum subset of information.

Thanks for sharing your concerns

harun

(11,381 posts)
27. Good points
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 09:35 AM
Feb 2023

Don't think you were misleading. Just think the media is misleading people with how they report it and what they focus on.

yaesu

(9,292 posts)
25. The Fed is doing more damage than fascist republicans, oh wait, they are fascist republicans. nt
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 10:54 PM
Feb 2023

The Fed is almost guaranteeing a complete fascist takeover in 24.

Bengus81

(10,144 posts)
28. Just reported....Shell Oil profits DOUBLE from 2021 to almost $40 billion
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 10:27 AM
Feb 2023

Looks like those Fed rate hikes really slowed those criminals down AND the price at the pump.

BumRushDaShow

(169,307 posts)
29. Worse
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 10:55 AM
Feb 2023

ExxonMobil reported $56 billion profit in 2022. In years before, a $16 billion profit ($4 billion per quarter) was considered "excessive".

But unless and until the need for money is removed from the election process, there won't be any "windfall profit" taxes or anything else that impacts them.

Bengus81

(10,144 posts)
30. CNN needs to check the story then........
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 11:50 AM
Feb 2023

From CNN:

"Shell made a record profit of almost $40 billion in 2022, more than double what it raked in the previous year after oil and gas prices soared following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine."

BumRushDaShow

(169,307 posts)
31. CNN did one on ExxonMobil last week (ExxonMobil is what I mentioned as "worse" )
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 12:03 PM
Feb 2023
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/business/exxonmobil-earnings/index.html

ExxonMobil earnings more than double to annual record

By Chris Isidore, CNN
Updated 11:02 AM EST, Tue January 31, 2023


New York CNN Business — ExxonMobil’s earnings slowed from a peak earlier in the year but the oil giant still reached a full-year record profit more than double what it reported a year ago.

The company earned adjusted income of $14 billion in the quarter, down from the record $18.7 billion it earned in the third quarter, but it was up from $8.8 billion in the fourth quarter of 2021. That was also better than the forecast from analysts surveyed by Refinitiv.

The solid fourth quarter lifted full-year earnings to $59.1 billion from $23 billion in 2021, and well above the previous record net income of $45.2 billion it reported for 2008, the year that saw the record high for oil and US gasoline prices before the records set last year.

The company was helped by soaring oil prices following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine nearly a year ago. But oil prices have been coming down from the peak reached in June, and are now down to pre-invasion levels. Oil companies such as ExxonMobil have faced criticism from the White House and some members of Congress for taking much of the profit and using it to repurchase shares and increase dividend, rather than increase production.

(snip)


Used to be "$4 billion a quarter" was obscene... Now they are up to $12 - $14 a quarter (on average). In ExxonMobil's case, they had one quarter where they had almost $19 billion profit for a quarter.

Initech

(108,669 posts)
34. I really think there needs to be an excessive profit tax.
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 02:31 PM
Feb 2023

Like if a company reports more than $10 billion in profit they have to pay like 70% tax on all billions made after that. It wouldn't solve a lot of our problems but it would definitely make a dent! It's way past time for this shit to end.

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