Dutch probe implicates Putin in 2014 downing of Malaysia passenger jet

[BumRushDaShow]

Last edited Wed Feb 8, 2023, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: Washington Post

Dutch prosecutors said Wednesday that it was likely Russian President Vladimir Putin personally signed off on a decision to supply long-range antiaircraft missiles systems to pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine before they shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in July 2014, killing all 298 passengers and crew.

However, while the prosecutors said they had documented “strong indications” of Putin’s personal role in the decision, they said their evidence “was not concrete enough” for a new prosecution. In November, two former Russian state security officers and a Ukrainian separatist leader were convicted of murder in the case though they were never arrested or extradited.

Dutch authorities have been in charge of the investigation because the flight originated in Amsterdam. The Joint Investigation Team led by the Dutch had previously determined that a Russian-supplied Buk surface-to-air missile hit the Boeing 777 flying to Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014, killing all passengers and crew.

At a news conference in The Hague on Wednesday, the Joint Investigation Team said its conclusions about Putin’s personal role rested on recorded telephone conversations in which Russian officials say that the decision to provide military support could made only by the Russian president.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/08/putin-mh17-malaysia-russia-missile/

---

Article updated.

Original headline -

Putin implicated in 2014 downing of Malaysia passenger jet that killed 298

[yardwork]

1. Many of us on DU saw these things in 2014, but the disinformation was strong.

There weee so many pro-Putin posts, so much disinformation. Most of it has faded away. I guess the money dried up.

[oldsoftie]

4. Oh they're still here although more are excusing China now.

[IronLionZion]

6. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that

Putin has supporters on DU excusing the inexcusable

[blue-wave]

10. "but the disinformation was strong."

It has faded, but there is still some pro-Putin push-back with posts about Ukraine.

Of course Putin was involved with the downing of the Malaysian plane. Russia is a totalitarian state. Putin must approve everything.

[Warpy]

13. Yes, it was a Buk missile, the pattern of damage on fallen parts was clear

but, hey, people were still getting oik, gas, and ore from Mother Russia, so sweep it all under the rug.

So yes, we on DU knew that within a couple of months. The booboisie just kept chewing their cuds and looking at Kardashian ass.

[onecaliberal]

2. This just confirms what we all knew.

[Botany]

3. One more reason why Vlad as him army needs to stopped and crushed in Ukraine and

Zelenskyy/Ukraine also needs to have the ability to hit back at the Russian air, missile, drone,
and naval base outside of Ukraine that are launching attacks on the Ukrainian citizens. The
Russian people and military also need to get rid of Putin because he is killing them and robbing
them blind. > 25% of the Russians do not have up to date indoor plumbing but Vlad has multiple
billion dollar homes.

[IronLionZion]

5. Putin is white so he has no political agenda

so therefore it can't be terrorism

[tornado34jh]

7. Even now, we appease Putin way too much

On another post that I put in regards to the Russian speaking part of Ukraine, where this plane was shot down in Hrabove in Donetsk region, what has to be understood is that when the Ukrainian Independence referendum (Putin loves to talk about referendums) was done in 1991, about 84% of the people in those regions (Donetsk and Luhansk) where the illegitimate pro-Russian separatists are, voted yes to Ukrainian independence.

Keep in mind, this is something a lot of people think: There are still people who think Ukraine shot down MH17. Ukraine was and still is fighting pro-Russian separatists as part of the larger war against Russia. However, I don't believe that Ukraine had the "Buk" missle that shot it down in 2014. In fact, up until the invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the Ukraine military really didn't have anything they have now. Also, what reason would Ukraine want to do to shoot down MH17? If they did that, other countries would not have given military equipment, especially not now. I'm just saying that this is what a lot of people think.

So in the end, who gave the separatists the Buk missile? It is none other than Russia. As far as I know, no country in Europe except Russia and maybe Belarus has that weapon. Even if Ukraine "supposedly" did have a Buk missile, which we know they did not, I don't think they would have been stupid enough to shoot down a passenger plane. Ukraine is trying to be separate from Russia, and the Ukrainians have made it clear they do not want to be under the Kremlin influence. Shooting down a passenger plane would not help Ukraine's cause. So this is all disinformation.

[IronLionZion]

11. Ukraine would know the flight tracking for civilian airliners in their airspace

the pro-Russia rebels would not know that. So it is most likely they shot it down thinking it was a warplane or something like that. Russia supplies Buk missiles to the rebels.

Nobody wants to be held accountable for mass murder.

[tornado34jh]

14. Exactly

Ukraine would not be that stupid to do something like this. Also, if you read the transcription of the ATC to the pilots, the pilots were trying to climb to a higher level, but the ATC at Dnipro (formerly Dnipropetrovsk) rejected the request as it was not available. If it was a warplane, they would have been doing a completely different path. At the time the plane was in transit to go into Russian airspace at Rostov-on-Don. I don't think they would be thinking about that. Plus, correct me if I am wrong, as I am not a pilot, but isn't there an emergency frequency to contact commercial pilots? I understand there were NOTAMs going over the war-torn area, but then again, Russia is a rogue state.

Ironically, I read about the story of Metrojet Flight 9268, a flight from Sharm-El-Skeikh to Saint Petersburg, Russia which was brought down by a bomb in Egypt a little over a year after the shootdown of MH17. The mechanic or whoever puts luggage in the plane had a cousin who was part of ISIS, and a bomb was snuck in inside the plane, but yet Russia was quick to point that as terrorism. So how ironic that they complain about others calling them out for terrorism when their own plane was bombed by someone who's cousin was a member of ISIS in 2015, yet they were quick to call that terrorism. Massive hypocrites.

[Evolve Dammit]

8. Have any cable news shows covered this today? Haven't seen it, but I'm not watching constantly.

It stunts your growth.

[KS Toronado]

9. Yea, I know Shorty

Devil made me say that have a on me.

[Evolve Dammit]

12. Cheers and back atcha!