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catsudon

(859 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 07:34 PM Feb 2023

China Reportedly Negotiating with Russia To Supply Kamikaze Drones

Source: Spiegel International

The U.S. and Germany have warned China not to deliver weapons to Russia. According to information obtained by DER SPIEGEL, however, Beijing and Moscow are said to be negotiating the purchase of 100 strike drones, which could be delivered as soon as April.

According to that information, the Russian military is engaged in negotiations with Chinese drone manufacturer Xi'an Bingo Intelligent Aviation Technology over the mass production of kamikaze drones for Russia. The revelations create a new urgency in the debate over possible Chinese military support for Russia.

Bingo has reportedly agreed to manufacture and test 100 ZT-180 prototype drones before delivering them to the Russian Defense Ministry by April 2023. Military experts believe the ZT-180 is capable of carrying a 35- to 50 kilogram warhead.

Read more: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-war-in-ukraine-china-is-reportedly-negotiating-with-russia-to-supply-kamikaze-drones-a-13909157-4740-4f84-830e-fb3c69bc1dff



the drone technology is actually quite impressive in China , however, it being used as a weapon capable of destruction scares me.
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China Reportedly Negotiating with Russia To Supply Kamikaze Drones (Original Post) catsudon Feb 2023 OP
Fools, hankering for Taiwan invasion and WWIII/IV wcmagumba Feb 2023 #1
Yes. China wants to change the world order. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #4
You mean all powerful Putin and Russia need help to combat Ukraine? Freethinker65 Feb 2023 #2
Time to shut down that economy they've come to love so much C_U_L8R Feb 2023 #3
China's betting on the wrong player. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2023 #5
China is betting the west won't do much to retaliate economically. tman Feb 2023 #9
The move to outsource from China is already happening. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2023 #10
I would hope so.. It's encouraging to see this. mountain grammy Feb 2023 #12
Here's the problem. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2023 #13
Here's the problem. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2023 #14
Yup. Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #24
It would be suicide for China and their economy to do it ColinC Feb 2023 #6
Agree! The EU, China's biggest customer imports $360+ B, US about the same. russia 64 B PortTack Feb 2023 #19
The sides are chosen. Lines to be drawn soon. Scary shit. Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #7
Yup. Sounds like Xi is beginning to believe his own hype. Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #25
Any country supporting terrorist states should be heavily sanctioned and yaesu Feb 2023 #8
Be a damn shame if someone was able to jack 'em and send them back to Beijing Grokenstein Feb 2023 #11
China lost their "neutral" card. sarcasmo Feb 2023 #15
"negotiating the purchase" - so Russia has to buy the drones from China? Talitha Feb 2023 #16
This would be a dangerous escalation DFW Feb 2023 #17
Yup. Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #26
Winnie the Flu has run China into the ground with his idiocy and insecurity. AZLD4Candidate Feb 2023 #18
Kick ck4829 Feb 2023 #20
Another contribution to world peace from China dalton99a Feb 2023 #21
Not good news for sure. machoneman Feb 2023 #22
I don't think China really wants to mess with the U.S.A. Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #23

Freethinker65

(10,178 posts)
2. You mean all powerful Putin and Russia need help to combat Ukraine?
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 07:41 PM
Feb 2023

Ukraine that Putin thought wouldn't give up much of a fight.

Russia has no sophisticated weapons, only cannon fodder and nukes?

C_U_L8R

(45,081 posts)
3. Time to shut down that economy they've come to love so much
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 07:41 PM
Feb 2023

Kamikaze drones? There is no excuse. Welcome to the pariah club.

OAITW r.2.0

(25,194 posts)
5. China's betting on the wrong player.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 07:50 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Thu Feb 23, 2023, 08:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Russia won't be helping their economy to any significant degree. But their exports to Europe, japan, South Korea and the US will be significantly impacted. Perhaps they want to use the their drone tech in Ukraine as a lab to test their effectiveness in a future war with Taiwan. If so, I am sure we have the tech to counter. Another bad bet on the part of China.

OAITW r.2.0

(25,194 posts)
10. The move to outsource from China is already happening.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 09:01 PM
Feb 2023

I've been working in China for over 30 years. What China has done in the past 5 years with regards to Shanghai and Hong Kong is definitely changing the minds of those responsible for sourcing strategies.

OAITW r.2.0

(25,194 posts)
13. Here's the problem.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 10:06 PM
Feb 2023

Where are you going to find the folks to work in factories that pay significantly less than the average worker makes today? And. if you factor that 3,5% of the total unemployment are people between jobs....what's left? Here's the solution.....immigrants. But how will the Republicans deal with this?

OAITW r.2.0

(25,194 posts)
14. Here's the problem.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 10:08 PM
Feb 2023

Where are you going to find the folks to work in factories that pay significantly less than the average worker makes today? And. if you factor that 3,5% of the total unemployment are people between jobs....what's left? Here's the solution.....immigrants. But how will the Republicans deal with this?

PortTack

(32,935 posts)
19. Agree! The EU, China's biggest customer imports $360+ B, US about the same. russia 64 B
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 12:33 PM
Feb 2023

They are already in serious financial trouble. They really can’t afford the kind of sanctions the US and the EU would impose

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
8. Any country supporting terrorist states should be heavily sanctioned and
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 08:28 PM
Feb 2023

treated like the enemy they are. pull all investments and manufacturing from said countries, stop imports from said countries and the sharing of technology.

DFW

(54,830 posts)
17. This would be a dangerous escalation
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 05:48 AM
Feb 2023

Russia would use them not only on military targets, but also on the civilian population and/or their infrastructure, such as drinking water and electric power. In this case, the Ukrainians would seek to (justifiably) strike targets within Russia until the ability to launch these things into Ukrainian territory was neutralized. Russian propaganda would go to town if this happened (Putin is probably counting on it), using the victim card--big bad westerners are helping those nasty Ukrainians to attack the Rodina. Never mind what the drones were going to be used for, they attacked our homeland, we must strike back. The Russians won't find any military allies in the Chinese, of course, Xi is not an idiot. He'll take the Russians' money, not their invitation to take the place of the Wagner Group.

Chinese troops will not be involved. They haven't been sent into combat against western troops since the Korean War. The next time, if there is one, will be over Taiwan, but I doubt that, too. China prefers to play the long game. They are certainly content to patiently infiltrate enough sympathetic politicians into Taiwan so as to influence a positive vote on a re-unification referendum, even if it's 60 years down the road.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,917 posts)
18. Winnie the Flu has run China into the ground with his idiocy and insecurity.
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 07:00 AM
Feb 2023

He is overplaying his hand big time.

Gotta get a war going to divert people's attention for how bad things are getting here.

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