Al Gore calls on Barack Obama to 'act boldly' on climate change
Source: Guardian
The former vice-president and climate champion, Al Gore, has called on Barack Obama to seize the moment and use his re-election victory to push through bold action on climate change.
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The vice-president's intervention for a carbon tax could give critical support to an idea that has gained currency since the election at least among Washington thinktanks. The conservative American Enterprise Institute held an all-day seminar on the carbon tax on Tuesday.
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Gore will ratchet up his own pressure on Wednesday evening when he hosts a 24-hour live online broadcast from New York city on the connections between climate change and extreme events such as Sandy.
The Dirty Weather Report, produced by his Climate Reality Project, will kick off with footage from New Jersey's devastated shore and interviews with governors Chris Christie and Andrew Cuomo. It begins at 8pm eastern time.
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Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/nov/13/al-gore-barack-obama-climate-change
sasha031
(6,700 posts)Thank you, Mr Vice President
still_one
(92,325 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)So yeah, focus on jobs and sure enough, youll be swimming in them
still_one
(92,325 posts)Be an opportunity to work on climate change. In two years there is a midterm election, and if the focus is not on jobs, we will lose
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)That as a catchy tune.
Sometimes Im not sure if people are aware of the recent drought, ice melt and outrageous storms.
Well, how about killing 2 birds with 1 stone? Hire people to plant trees and restore wetlands. You know, show vision and leadership and genuine concern about the extinction that is underway.
Or we can give more tax breaks to encourage companies to hire people, burn fossil fuels and continue business as usual. Then just maybe people will like us enough to vote for us! Yeah, sure, thats the road to salvation.
still_one
(92,325 posts)People are significantly getting jobs, we will have carte Blanche and can call the shots for the environment, universal healthcare, etc.
It is not the highest priority right now for most people. They want and need jobs
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Its alright ma. Our world is only dieing
still_one
(92,325 posts)progressoid
(49,992 posts)Unfortunately, we may not have anymore time.
But if it's jobs you seek, fighting climate change can be the job creator we need. It could be a win/win if we act now.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)because every time we try to push for something, we are reminded about timing and that there is another election around the corner.
mrf901
(49 posts)the time was when Obama
had the House and 60 votes in the
Senate Democratic caucus
Demeter
(85,373 posts)There may be no need to worry about climate change in this world if the global economy collapses, or even if only the US economy collapses, but...
I wouldn't want to live there.
And this is more proof that he never had the gift of timing....
still_one
(92,325 posts)We will not get help from the repukes on climate change for sure, and we have a chance with a jobs bill, because that is what people are screaming for
If we can pull that off, we will get our cake and eat it too
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)That's a wrong and dangerous historical way of thinking.
Create millions of jobs instantly by hiring people to build and install wind, solar and geothermal power. Hire people to modernize the electric grid, convert to electric vehicles, and insulate buildings.
Unfortunately the dirty energy companies have spent billions advertising on TV channels like CNN and MSNBC to get liberals to believe that if we want jobs, we have to put climate change on hold.
It's false choice. Addressing climate change can create jobs, but we have to be willing to take the common sense steps.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Hire people to plant trees, not to increase immediate levels of atmospheric carbon.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)following decades.
Planting trees is also good. Likewise for bicycling and other forms of conservation. Reducing consumption and reusing "disposable" items, and many other such lifestyle changes.
Anything that will help us make the transition off of fossil fuels, almost completely.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)And, well, we are sort of in a crunch now in case you haven't been reading climate news. Maybe the most immediate course of action shouldn't be further polluting the atmosphere by making more stuff? Who knows. Likely nothing will be done anyway, so nothing to worry about.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Wait, are you suggesting we should not build clean energy like wind, solar, or geothermal?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Which is a fact, and a big part of the problem.
But us smart apes still think we can produce our way out of an overproduction problem.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)simple.
We are already burning tons of oil to build more dirty energy infrastructure. Such as pipelines, tar sands, arctic drilling, deep water ocean drilling, shale gas fracking, more pipelines, mountain top coal blasting, etc.
We should take a a part of that dirty energy investment and invest it in clean energy instead, so that we can gradually move from dirty energy to clean energy.
This just seems like common sense to me.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Its interesting how humans--when faced with a crisis from burning too much energy--think the sanest answer is to burn even more energy in the short term. Something must be wrong with me; I think we need to burn less "dirty" energy, immediately (not in 3 decades).
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I just said, do not burn more dirty energy, just take the expenditure we are already burning to drill for fossil fuels, and spend that instead to build clean energy instead.
Sorry what are you suggesting we do to get off of fossil fuels?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)All you have to do is do less. Much less.
Abandon this 10K year old disaster of infinite growth and exploitation.
Ta da. Ill pick up my Nobel Prize at the back on my way out.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)back to nature primitivism, or something like that?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Living in harmony with nature instead of destroying it?
Does that mean we can't have Starbucks and iPads?
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I'm into canned tomatoes and not willing to give it up.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Our oil addiction has allowed us to learn a lot very quickly. Some of which we can continue to use without a significant carbon footprint. Some of which we can't. Being faced with extinction, Im ok with that.
With a better diet, a cleaner environment and a less stressed life, theyll be far less need for those fancy machines we built by burning so much oil.
We can all live with things just a little bit slower
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Even your bones will be stronger (like our ancestors).
Or do you suggest that we all should die on account of your bone curiosity? Hey, better all of us than just you, right? Good thinking
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Surely if the denizens of the twisted, cancerous manifestation of totalitarian agricultural classify my views as "weird", then its a good place to start.
I can assure you that I take no offense. Likewise, if you were to approach any homo sapien living sustainably in the hundred thousand year time span before the advent of agriculture, they may in find the concept of infinite exploitation and destruction of the earth as "radical" and as fruitless as fucking a Rhino to produce a Wallaby baby.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the economy if the climate collapses
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Hell, the people who want to cut down the 5% of remaining old growth redwoods say that they need to do so in the name of jobs, even if it involves killing off the Marbled Murrelet, the Spotted Owl, and other species.
It's a bunch of bullshit.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> and if they don't focus on jobs first, there will not
> be an opportunity to work on climate change.
If you don't focus on climate change, jobs are most definitely the *least* of your concerns.
> In two years there is a midterm election, and if the focus is not on jobs, we will lose
So, immediately after an election is still too close to the next election to focus on the environment.
Thanks for stating the reason why we are in so much shit.
Basically, the strategy of the typical American political "activist" is to keep running
around in the hamster wheel until you drop dead. Fucking wonderful.
Epitaph for modern civilization:
"We just couldn't give a fuck about anything that interrupts our non-negotiable way of life."
tinrobot
(10,913 posts)That would serve both needs.
There's so much work to do on the green energy front - everything from construction jobs installing solar systems and making buildings more efficient to high tech research and development and many inbetween.
triplepoint
(431 posts)It may indeed be that Total Global Economic Collapse is the ONLY way to solve "save the Planet" and/or Civilization itself. When you're in a hole....stop digging...
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