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BumRushDaShow

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Thu Mar 2, 2023, 02:12 PM Mar 2023

Justice Department pushes back on Trump's sweeping claims of presidential immunity for January 6

Source: CNN Politics

CNN — The Justice Department on Thursday urged an appeals court to reject sweeping claims of presidential immunity put forward by former President Donald Trump in the civil litigation surrounding the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.

The department told the appeals court – which is considering several private lawsuits brought against Trump for his conduct in the lead-up to the attack on the Capitol – that a president can’t be absolutely immune for speech on a matter of public concern if the speech is found to have incited violence.

“No part of a president’s official responsibilities includes the incitement of imminent private violence,” the Justice Department said in a friend-of-a-court brief that the US DC Circuit Court of Appeals asked the government to file.

Thursday’s brief marks the first time the department has confronted directly the question of Trump’s civil immunity for his conduct related to January 6. The lawsuits were brought by Democratic members of the House and Capitol Police officers. A 1982 ruling from the US Supreme Court established that presidents are absolutely immune from civil damages arising from their official acts as president – but when presidential speech amounts to an official act is still a murky question for the courts.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/politics/donald-trump-justice-department-january-6



Full headline: Justice Department pushes back on Trump's sweeping claims of presidential immunity for January 6 speech

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CNN -- The Justice Department on Thursday urged an appeals court to reject sweeping claims of presidential immunity put forward by former President Donald Trump in the civil litigation surrounding the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.

The department told the appeals court - which is considering several private lawsuits brought against Trump for his conduct in the lead-up to the attack on the Capitol - that a president can't be absolutely immune for speech on a matter of public concern if the speech is found to have incited violence.

"No part of a president's official responsibilities includes the incitement of imminent private violence," the Justice Department said in a friend-of-a-court brief that the US DC Circuit Court of Appeals asked the government to file. Thursday's brief marks the first time the department has confronted directly the question of Trump's civil immunity for his conduct related to January 6. The lawsuits were brought by Democratic members of the House and Capitol Police officers.

The Justice Department did caution the court against using the January 6 civil cases as a vehicle to draw firm lines on whether president can face liability for speech related to electoral or political concerns. Instead, the department asked the DC Circuit to issue a "narrow" ruling, focused solely on the assertion by Trump's attorneys that he should be immune to civil lawsuits for presidential speech even if that speech incited violence.
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Justice Department pushes back on Trump's sweeping claims of presidential immunity for January 6 (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 OP
How would the court feel if presidential speech was used against them? LiberalFighter Mar 2023 #1
Sounds like he is in real trouble this time! FredGarvin Mar 2023 #2
We can hope Maeve Mar 2023 #3
LOL. Yes! Any time now!! Just around the next bend!!! LOL. PSPS Mar 2023 #7
The brief is a fascinating read, and written in plain English. Highly recommend it. JudyM Mar 2023 #4
Kicking for Visibility SheltieLover Mar 2023 #5
I think the language of the other side in this would be telling. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #6
Yep. I cannot imagine that such an outcome would be allowed, calimary Mar 2023 #9
No immunity for a criminal investigation... Karadeniz Mar 2023 #8
like it republianmushroom Mar 2023 #10

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
4. The brief is a fascinating read, and written in plain English. Highly recommend it.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 03:23 PM
Mar 2023

Another snip: p22

In the government’s view, any decision about how to define the limits of absolute immunity in campaign contexts should await a case in which the relevant issues have been fully briefed and it is necessary to decide them.
Tantalizing.



Prairie_Seagull

(4,651 posts)
6. I think the language of the other side in this would be telling.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 03:42 PM
Mar 2023

I will look it up later but sounds like their argument would boil down to the the President has immunity from starting a insurrection/rebellion? One the face of this, it's bizarre to the point of laughter if it weren't so serious.

calimary

(89,806 posts)
9. Yep. I cannot imagine that such an outcome would be allowed,
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:34 PM
Mar 2023

or tolerated.

But then again, the damned trump effect is pretty compelling to the weak-minded.

Nevertheless, he needs to be held accountable! FULLY accountable.

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