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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:19 PM Mar 2023

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Likely Violated Ethics Laws With Met Gala Appearance

Source: Forbes

The House Office of Congressional Ethics found “substantial reason to believe” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) “may have accepted impermissible gifts associated with her attendance at the Met Gala in 2021,” according to documents released on Thursday.

“Rep. Ocasio-Cortez received a series of goods and services which she did not pay for until the OCE opened this review,” according to the review, which cited her dress, makeup, hair styling and transportation.

Ocasio-Cortez’s office acknowledged the tardy payments, but didn’t think they constituted a violate of House rules.

“The congresswoman finds these delays unacceptable, and she has taken several steps to ensure nothing of this nature will happen again,” said Communications Director Lauren Hitt in a statement.


Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2023/03/02/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-likely-violated-ethics-laws-with-met-gala-appearance-says-house-ethics-office/?sh=6d372a893693



Reminder that the Ethics Committee and the OCE are Bipartisan.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Likely Violated Ethics Laws With Met Gala Appearance (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2023 OP
Thanks For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #1
Don't forget two minutes of outrage because the Biden's ordered the same restaurant dish, Sir. yardwork Mar 2023 #69
No, it is not an ethics violation for politicians to attend the Met Gala sarchasm Mar 2023 #2
It wasn't the ticket. Igel Mar 2023 #6
It was nothing DENVERPOPS Mar 2023 #8
When did House ethics rules start applying to the First Lady? nt FBaggins Mar 2023 #27
Nancy had serious problems DENVERPOPS Mar 2023 #34
Ah yes, The Narcissist's Prayer MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #72
Did she keep the dress? forgotmylogin Mar 2023 #11
That's what I was wondering. We see way more loans on red carpets than purchases. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2023 #14
I don't think she did. Other stories mention "she paid the 'rental fee' after Repubes brought it up" forgotmylogin Mar 2023 #15
Oh I didn't think this was anything remotely alarming. It got a massive "ho hum" from me. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2023 #16
The GOP here is standing on a brick to kick a duck in the ass. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2023 #3
Filing that one. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #77
The OCE website has further info on their findings FredGarvin Mar 2023 #4
The report is on the OCE website, as are the relevant documents. lapucelle Mar 2023 #18
"Even after OCE's exhaustive review of the congresswoman's personal communications, there is no Celerity Mar 2023 #5
Anyway, Ma'am, Now That I Know She's In The Pocket Of 'Big Opera' The Magistrate Mar 2023 #36
"Big Opera"! CTyankee Mar 2023 #46
No telling how corrupt "Big Opera" is. Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #71
Oh no! Not ethical violations! LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #7
REPUBLICAN REVENGE POLITICS YoshidaYui Mar 2023 #9
What part of "OCE is bipartisan" was unclear? brooklynite Mar 2023 #10
The OTHER SIDE OF THE AILE HATE US YoshidaYui Mar 2023 #12
The OCE is independent and non-partisan. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #22
OCE is independent and non-partisan MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #73
"They" didn't say anything brooklynite Mar 2023 #31
Nobody Cares, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #37
First, no Democrat is "voting" against a fellow Democrat... brooklynite Mar 2023 #38
You're Getting Silly Here, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #39
"Staff does what employers wish done"... brooklynite Mar 2023 #47
Pretty Much The Magistrate Mar 2023 #52
So its okay to take some goodies as long as you vote the "right" way? brooklynite Mar 2023 #54
We're Pretty Much Done Here, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2023 #56
"Staff does what employers wish done" MichMan Mar 2023 #58
So, You Say The Committee Staff Made A Mistake, Then, Sir? The Magistrate Mar 2023 #59
No, I wasn't the one that said "Staff does what employer's wish done" MichMan Mar 2023 #68
The OCE is investigating George Santos as well. OCE is made up of professionals, not House members emulatorloo Mar 2023 #40
So What? The Magistrate Mar 2023 #45
Ok then. You don't care that there is difference between the OCE (ethics law attorneys) and emulatorloo Mar 2023 #48
That's Right The Magistrate Mar 2023 #50
So true. ' We all have a certain amount of concern in hand' I love how you put that. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #53
Best Of the Evening To You, Friend The Magistrate Mar 2023 #57
The OCE is non-partisan and independent. lapucelle Mar 2023 #23
Do the members of the OCE and Ethics know what they're doing? Marthe48 Mar 2023 #13
Yes. The OCE is made up of professionals who are experts in ethics law and investigations. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #41
The specifics of the appearance, and what was permissible, were reviewed by... LudwigPastorius Mar 2023 #17
"reason to believe"..."may have" dpibel Mar 2023 #19
Who the fuck cares. It's not like she stole fucking classified top secret shit, with NO repercussion Evolve Dammit Mar 2023 #20
Is this the right dress? canetoad Mar 2023 #21
OCE is made up of non-partisan professionals who are experts in ethics law and investigations. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #42
Translation: "OK, we'll do a half hearted investigation on that obvious crook Santos Warpy Mar 2023 #24
Whatever the technical truth, this was expected from those hyenas. Hortensis Mar 2023 #25
The House Ethics Committee has 10 members; 5 from each party MichMan Mar 2023 #29
:) This is happening because the GOP got a majority in the house. Hortensis Mar 2023 #32
The investigation of AOC started in June of 2022 & was extended in December 2022 MichMan Mar 2023 #33
I remember. And here we are. The "investigation" is being weaponized. Hortensis Mar 2023 #35
House Ethics Cmte votes to investigate GOP Rep. George Santos, too.. Cha Mar 2023 #26
Unfortunately facts don't seem to matter. CT about the non-partisan ethics law experts at OCE is emulatorloo Mar 2023 #43
Yes. This is about the makeup artist and hair stylist not being paid. No CT! betsuni Mar 2023 #49
And they'll do their job on Santos, but that will be the real big deal. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #51
And he really can't "fix" it LeftInTX Mar 2023 #63
What do you bet this story about AOC will get more play on the Fox site and TV than George Lopez? ificandream Mar 2023 #28
Update: Fox front page has big block on AOC, NOTHING on Lopez. ificandream Mar 2023 #30
Fox is so predictable. Ugh. emulatorloo Mar 2023 #44
Yeah, fox viewers are treated Cha Mar 2023 #55
... emulatorloo Mar 2023 #75
I'm passing that on from Cha Mar 2023 #76
Fortunately for her, ethics violations are no longer punished in any way Takket Mar 2023 #60
I was recently talking to someone from iemanja Mar 2023 #61
K&R LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #62
Ethics Laws? What are those? dchill Mar 2023 #64
Ethics laws? SuperCoder Mar 2023 #65
They're just sick jealous that they could never pull off that dress! Mopar151 Mar 2023 #66
I really like her. Woodwizard Mar 2023 #67
I'll side with AOC. Kid Berwyn Mar 2023 #70
I'd just BlueManiac Mar 2023 #74

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
1. Thanks For The Laugh, Sir
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:24 PM
Mar 2023

Makes breaking to do the dishes pleasant, that's a bit of nonesense can't easily be topped.

I have it penciled in for six seconds of concern sometime next Tuesday, right after time devoted to worry over some beetle or other somewhere warm....

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
69. Don't forget two minutes of outrage because the Biden's ordered the same restaurant dish, Sir.
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 09:34 AM
Mar 2023

It's possible somebody "on our side" forgot to wear a flag lapel pin, too.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
2. No, it is not an ethics violation for politicians to attend the Met Gala
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:32 PM
Mar 2023

Source: Verify

According to the House rules, a charity event must meet the following criteria:

• They are invited by the event organizer directly and the event organizer is the organization putting the event on, not a monetary event sponsor or table sponsor

• The event’s primary purpose is to raise funds to benefit a qualifying organization, with at least half of the proceeds being tax-deductible charitable contributions.

So, since the tickets were offered to the politicians by the Met and according to the Met, “the event is a fundraiser for The Costume Institute at The Metropolitan Museum of Art and its primary source of annual funding,” politicians accepting the tickets are not in violation of House or New York City policy.


Read more: https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/no-it-is-not-an-ethics-violation-for-politicians-to-attend-the-met-gala/536-fd12ed29-b908-4ca2-86ca-b95d40a29fbd

Igel

(35,300 posts)
6. It wasn't the ticket.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:42 PM
Mar 2023

It was the gift of the dress she wore to it that cost more than my maximum income.

Last year that put me at about 0.1 from the top 20% of households for income, and I'm flying solo.

Wonder if she paid taxes on it.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
8. It was nothing
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:48 PM
Mar 2023

compared to the wife of Ronnie Raygun and her rather large collection of designer dresses..........

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
34. Nancy had serious problems
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 07:45 PM
Mar 2023

with the "ethics" people, for receiving and not declaring extremely expensive gifts..... I just assumed that they might be the same ethics folks......

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
72. Ah yes, The Narcissist's Prayer
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 10:56 AM
Mar 2023
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.


What-about-isms are Strawmen arguments.

It's posturing on the part of the Nat-C GOP, I get it.
Nonetheless, in order to continue to hold others accountable, it is only equitable and prudent, if we hold our own to the same standards.

May reason rule.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
11. Did she keep the dress?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:55 PM
Mar 2023

A lot of times when celebrities wear ridiculous jewelry or an elaborate outfit to an event they are on loan from a designer for the exposure. Most people have little use to keep a Met Gala dress in their closet or wear it again since they're usually instantly recognizable and will either return them or donate to a museum.

Looking forward to the MAGA crowd suddenly deciding to be all militant and judicious about gifting requirements despite being lukewarm to silent about the emoluments clause or political donation rules ripped up and stomped on by TFG.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
15. I don't think she did. Other stories mention "she paid the 'rental fee' after Repubes brought it up"
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 05:09 PM
Mar 2023

Essentially the gist I got was she didn't see invoices or receipts and didn't realize she owed anything - possibly a flub by her accounting office she wasn't initially aware of?

So she corrected the issue once brought to her attention, and apparently did not keep the "rental" dress for herself. Hearings are not needed, nobody was hurt by this victimless gaffe.

It's the same difference between "Whoops, didn't realize I forgot to return this classified document, when can I deliver it?" and "There are no classified documents in my possession despite all your records to the contrary and besides they belong to me anyway."

Witness as Repubes scrape the sides of the bowl looking for things to be outraged about.

DinahMoeHum

(21,783 posts)
3. The GOP here is standing on a brick to kick a duck in the ass. . .
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:35 PM
Mar 2023

. . .and odds are they'll still miss the mark.

Celerity

(43,318 posts)
5. "Even after OCE's exhaustive review of the congresswoman's personal communications, there is no
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:42 PM
Mar 2023
record of the congresswoman refusing to pay for these expenses,” said Hitt.

“To the contrary, there are several explicit, documented communications, from prior to OCE’s review, that show the congresswoman understood that she had to pay for these expenses from her own personal funds—as she ultimately did. We are confident the Ethics Committee will dismiss this matter.”

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
36. Anyway, Ma'am, Now That I Know She's In The Pocket Of 'Big Opera'
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 08:36 PM
Mar 2023

I have to radically reorient my political compass....

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
10. What part of "OCE is bipartisan" was unclear?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 04:50 PM
Mar 2023
The Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) is an independent, non-partisan entity charged with reviewing allegations of misconduct against Members, officers, and staff of the United States House of Representatives and, when appropriate, referring matters to the House Committee on Ethics. In all but one set of circumstances, the report and findings of the OCE Board must be publicly released.

The OCE has a professional staff consisting primarily of attorneys and other professionals with expertise in ethics law and investigations. The mission of the OCE and its Board is to assist the House in upholding high standards of ethical conduct for its Members, officers, and staff and, in so doing, to serve the American people. Governed by an eight-person Board of Directors, Members of the OCE Board are private citizens and cannot serve as members of Congress or work for the federal government.

Established March 11, 2008, by House Resolution 895, the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) is the first ever independent body overseeing the ethics of the House of Representatives. The OCE was formed after members of a congressional task force proposed an independent entity in the U.S. House to increase accountability and transparency. The OCE’s mission is to assist the U.S. House in upholding high ethical standards with an eye toward increasing transparency and providing information to the public.

https://oce.house.gov/about

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
22. The OCE is independent and non-partisan.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 05:59 PM
Mar 2023
The Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) is an independent, non-partisan entity charged with reviewing allegations of misconduct against Members, officers, and staff of the United States House of Representatives


At any rate I am sure AOC will get this straightened out.

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
73. OCE is independent and non-partisan
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 11:44 AM
Mar 2023

Accountability yields credence. There is none without it.

Things will be as they are, however it is that may be.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
37. Nobody Cares, Sir
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 08:43 PM
Mar 2023

People know the game.

Any Democrat 'respectable' enough for posting to this committee will be the sort who will rule against a Democrat if humanly possible in order to show what a straight arrow type he or she is, and into the bargain, likely has little love for those further to the left.

The triviality here is monumental, taking this seriously is laughable.


"A liberal is a man who won't take his own side in a quarrel."



brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
38. First, no Democrat is "voting" against a fellow Democrat...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:06 PM
Mar 2023

This is a report prepared by professional staff identifying a violation of the rules. Highly unlikely that there will be any punitive effort, certainly not censure or expulsion in this case.

Second, if you believe any Democratic House members have "little love" for those further to the left, please identify them, and explain what evidence you have that they would respond inappropriately.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
39. You're Getting Silly Here, Sir
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:34 PM
Mar 2023

Staff does what employers wish done, I expect you are positioned to have some awareness of this.

The rest is just a standard troll of the 'do your own research' class.

I think the proper response is 'get bent', but I am not up on the usual practice in such circumstances.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
47. "Staff does what employers wish done"...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:09 PM
Mar 2023

Are you telling me that the House members (certainly the Democrats) don't want an unbiased review of ethics issues?

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
52. Pretty Much
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:25 PM
Mar 2023

I do not mind flat statements, prefer them, actually.

Nothing the 'ethics' committee does touches on the real corruptions of our political life, the open and legal bribery all, repeat all, politicians engage in routinely.

Unless you can show me an outrageous vote the young woman has taken against the public interest but in favor of 'Big Opera' or 'Big Couturiere', I am far more interested in the latest college basketball scores, and I never watch basketball, or college sports in general....

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
54. So its okay to take some goodies as long as you vote the "right" way?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:27 PM
Mar 2023

Pretty much how Tamany Hall worked.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
56. We're Pretty Much Done Here, Sir
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:43 PM
Mar 2023

I suspect I'd have backed Tammany against the 'good government' goo-goos.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2810/2810-h/2810-h.htm

George Washington Plunkett remains a good read, and I commend the link above to anyone with an honest interest in old-school municipal machines.

Show me a connection between the gift and the vote and we may have something to discuss. Otherwise, we're just spinning wheels and I've other things to do. I think you have demonstrated sufficiently your instinct for the capillary here, there's no need to tease it further out.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
58. "Staff does what employers wish done"
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:14 PM
Mar 2023

AOC said the payment for the services was caused by an ex staffer not taking care of it properly.

Since "Staff does what employers wish done", that must mean that the staffer followed AOC direction and intentionally failed to make the payment.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
59. So, You Say The Committee Staff Made A Mistake, Then, Sir?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:19 PM
Mar 2023

I agree.

Their time would have been far better spent watching cute kitty videos, or even paint dry.


"Don't try and teach grandma to suck eggs."



MichMan

(11,910 posts)
68. No, I wasn't the one that said "Staff does what employer's wish done"
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 08:37 AM
Mar 2023

Last edited Fri Mar 3, 2023, 09:35 AM - Edit history (1)

That was you.

I take AOC statement that it was an inadvertant mistake by her staffer at face value. You disagree.

The Ethics committee will do its due diligence and come up with a final report once the investigation is concluded. Likely the matter will be closed.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
40. The OCE is investigating George Santos as well. OCE is made up of professionals, not House members
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:40 PM
Mar 2023

from what I read in description Brooklynite provided. They investigate and then make referrals to the House Ethics committee which is indeed made up of house members.

The OCE has a professional staff consisting primarily of attorneys and other professionals with expertise in ethics law and investigations.


The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
45. So What?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:59 PM
Mar 2023

The thing is nonesense, and will continue to be nonesense no matter how people with various axes to grind attempt defenses of it. Its unimportnce is monumental, I much resent the time wasted reading of it, let alone commenting on it. Two motives, and two only, suggest themselves, the first being posturing as 'above partisanship', and the second being dislike for the views of the person targeted.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
48. Ok then. You don't care that there is difference between the OCE (ethics law attorneys) and
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:12 PM
Mar 2023

the House Ethics Committee (5 Dems/5 Republicans). They aren’t the same thing.

I get that you don’t care, which of course is fine.

I expect there won’t be a problem for AOC. There will be big problems for George Santos.

Of course RW media will do false outrage over AOC. I’m not wasting my reading RW media.

Have a good night!

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
50. That's Right
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:18 PM
Mar 2023

I suppose I could get around to caring, if other things clear up a bit. We all have a certain amount of concern in hand, I have very little of the stuff, and so am sparing in its use....

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
23. The OCE is non-partisan and independent.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:03 PM
Mar 2023

It made its recommendation to further review the allegations in June of 2022.

The Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) is an independent, non-partisan entity charged with reviewing allegations of misconduct against Members, officers, and staff of the United States House of Representatives and, when appropriate, referring matters to the House Committee on Ethics. In all but one set of circumstances, the report and findings of the OCE Board must be publicly released.

https://oce.house.gov/about

=========================================================================

REPORT
Review No. 22-8546

The Board of the Office of Congressional Ethics (hereafter “the Board”), by a vote of no less than four members, on June 17, 2022, adopted the following report and ordered it to be transmitted to the Committee on Ethics of the United States House of Representatives (hereafter “the Committee”).

SUBJECT: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

NATURE OF THE ALLEGED VIOLATION: Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez may have accepted impermissible gifts associated with her attendance at the Met Gala in 2021. If Rep. Ocasio-Cortez accepted impermissible gifts, then she may have violated House rules,
standards of conduct, and federal law.

RECOMMENDATION: The Board recommends that the Committee further review the above allegation concerning Rep. Ocasio-Cortez because there is substantial reason to believe that she accepted impermissible gifts associated with her attendance at the Met Gala in 2021.

VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE: 5

https://oce.house.gov/sites/congressionalethics.house.gov/files/documents/OCE%20Rev.%2022-8546_Referral%20FINAL.pdf

Marthe48

(16,935 posts)
13. Do the members of the OCE and Ethics know what they're doing?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 05:01 PM
Mar 2023

After comer added NTSB to the Dept. of Transportation to 'own the libs' I can't take this finding at face value. None of the r's are proving they know their asses from elbows when it comes to reading any of the government guidelines that explain protocol, rules, ethics. Because they are ignorant of their jobs and pretend they know stuff like this only because a Dem got tickets to a charity do.
What did gaetz get from that teenager? What is santos this week? What TN gov. might have dressed in women's clothes?

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
41. Yes. The OCE is made up of professionals who are experts in ethics law and investigations.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:44 PM
Mar 2023
The OCE has a professional staff consisting primarily of attorneys and other professionals with expertise in ethics law and investigations.


From brooklynite’s link to OCE above.

LudwigPastorius

(9,137 posts)
17. The specifics of the appearance, and what was permissible, were reviewed by...
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 05:49 PM
Mar 2023

the OCE and her lawyer before she went.

She knew what was owed, but only paid after complaints from the service providers caused the OCE to open an investigation.

Democrats have to be better than that.

dpibel

(2,831 posts)
19. "reason to believe"..."may have"
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 05:53 PM
Mar 2023

So we're at the probable cause stage.

And what would be the consequences if this dreadful tale were true?

Should we expect (or is it hope?) to see AOC cashiered?

Or might this be a bit on the de minimis side, but it sounds pretty awful when you write it out?

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
20. Who the fuck cares. It's not like she stole fucking classified top secret shit, with NO repercussion
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 05:56 PM
Mar 2023

Oh wait it's AOC and she's a "squad member." Burn!!

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
42. OCE is made up of non-partisan professionals who are experts in ethics law and investigations.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:49 PM
Mar 2023
The OCE has a professional staff consisting primarily of attorneys and other professionals with expertise in ethics law and investigations.


In other words Jim Jordan etc arent on the OCE. There seems to be a misunderstanding of what the OCE. There’s news today that George Santos is being investigated by the OCE.

Obviously there’s no comparison between AOC and Santos - he’s a crook!

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
24. Translation: "OK, we'll do a half hearted investigation on that obvious crook Santos
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:05 PM
Mar 2023

but that Ocasio-Cortez b*** has got to go, too."

What she got was a swag bag. She could have refused it outright but I guess she was curious to see what was in it, what rich people get at their favorite events. Can't say I blame her much.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Whatever the technical truth, this was expected from those hyenas.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:06 PM
Mar 2023

Her supporters should be proud of the enemies she makes and that they've made her name big enough to be worth targeting.

And take this as reminder of the need to vote Democratic -- every election, EITHER we or they will get more power.

As for ethical issues in general, imo the only ethical position is one standard for all.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
29. The House Ethics Committee has 10 members; 5 from each party
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:47 PM
Mar 2023

Regardless of the make up of the House. Electing more Democrats doesn't change that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. :) This is happening because the GOP got a majority in the house.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 07:25 PM
Mar 2023

100% predictable, and we all knew it.

This is on all those who care about right and wrong, and good government, but who LET that happen by not voting to stop it -- every bit as much as the depraved fools on the right who are proud of making it happen.

That's good information for those who don't know it yet, though. In this era the ethics committee is an otherwise stalemated tool for the majority party, who, amusingly, are "investigating" weaponization of government. Like a drug cartel "investigating" drug smuggling.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. I remember. And here we are. The "investigation" is being weaponized.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 08:06 PM
Mar 2023

Not that this is big compared to other things they're doing, but they should not be able to.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
43. Unfortunately facts don't seem to matter. CT about the non-partisan ethics law experts at OCE is
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:55 PM
Mar 2023

more satisfying I guess.

betsuni

(25,470 posts)
49. Yes. This is about the makeup artist and hair stylist not being paid. No CT!
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:14 PM
Mar 2023

Quite a stretch. The vendors were finally paid, this is no big deal, committee just doing their job.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
51. And they'll do their job on Santos, but that will be the real big deal.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 10:18 PM
Mar 2023

He’s unethical and criminal.

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
63. And he really can't "fix" it
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 03:39 AM
Mar 2023

If AOC owed someone money, she should be required to pay them and possibly a fine. Santos?? What on earth do you do with him??

ificandream

(9,363 posts)
28. What do you bet this story about AOC will get more play on the Fox site and TV than George Lopez?
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 06:44 PM
Mar 2023

If I was in Vegas, I'd put money on it.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
44. Fox is so predictable. Ugh.
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 09:57 PM
Mar 2023

Santos is being investigated for ethical and possible criminal violations. So of course fox won’t say a word about that.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
61. I was recently talking to someone from
Thu Mar 2, 2023, 11:42 PM
Mar 2023

A small government agency, and we wanted to take him to dinner. This related to an official visit. He said he’d love to come to dinner but would need to pay for himself. If he can follow ethics laws, so can congresspeople.

Mopar151

(9,980 posts)
66. They're just sick jealous that they could never pull off that dress!
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 05:26 AM
Mar 2023

Or be featured on the red carpet of the Met Gala!

The rest is hairsplitting. How many public figures have had hair and makeup comped as part of an event or TV appearance?

Woodwizard

(842 posts)
67. I really like her.
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 07:36 AM
Mar 2023

But if you are going to be loud and outspoken about what you believe in make sure everything is done by the book. We should not have a double standard.

The right will pull this out for months if not years every time she gets in the news. It was a sloppy thing to do complacency and position is a slippery slope.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
70. I'll side with AOC.
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 10:22 AM
Mar 2023

Liberals and progressives have really bothered rich people and their satraps since the New Deal was new.

 

BlueManiac

(19 posts)
74. I'd just
Fri Mar 3, 2023, 12:23 PM
Mar 2023

Love to be able to wear that dress and stand on the red carpet for just 10 minutes. Ha-Ha....but I'd have to diet for 10 years to be able to fit in it.

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