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mysteryowl

(7,370 posts)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:33 AM Mar 2023

Biden administration quietly resumes deportations to Russia

Source: Guardian/US

The Biden administration has quietly resumed deportations to Russia, an apparent reversal of the position adopted after Russia invaded Ukraine just over a year ago, when such removals were suspended, the Guardian has learned.

Immigration advocates were taken by surprise when a young Russian man, who came to the US fleeing Vladimir Putin’s efforts to mobilize citizens to fight in Ukraine, was abruptly deported at the weekend from the US back to Russia.

He was among several Russian asylum seekers, many of whom have made their way to the US in the last year, who are now terrified the US government will return them to Russia where they could face prison or be sent rapidly to the frontline, where Russia has seen tens of thousands of casualties.

“US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) remains committed to enforcing immigration laws humanely, effectively and with professionalism. Ice facilitates the transfer and removal of non-citizens via commercial airlines and chartered flights in support of mission requirements,” the federal agency said this week, adding: “Ice conducts removals to countries, including Russia, in accordance with country removal guidelines.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/biden-administration-russia-deportations



Wow, I am not sure yet what to make of this.
Some Russians are fleeing Putin's draft to fight in Ukraine.
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Biden administration quietly resumes deportations to Russia (Original Post) mysteryowl Mar 2023 OP
Russian asylum-seekers should be seriously vetted. dalton99a Mar 2023 #1
Perhaps some of them only claim to have come here to escape Putin. ratchiweenie Mar 2023 #2
+1 2naSalit Mar 2023 #29
True, just claiming something does not mean treestar Jun 2023 #54
I suppose they could be suspected of espionage or of crimial activites Tom Rinaldo Mar 2023 #3
THIS!!☝️ alot of putrid's snakes in the grass so if feds have good reason they shld deport onetexan Jun 2023 #63
Sorry but both worth the risk. Putin and his agents have done Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #4
Can we at Traildogbob Mar 2023 #5
Each ruskie deported should take at least one maga family with them. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #9
I think Traildogbob Mar 2023 #13
Great point. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #14
Absolutely. Traildogbob Mar 2023 #16
After Poland caught that group secretly planning to blow up an airport, SheltieLover Mar 2023 #17
Please leave the kid out of it. n/t EndlessWire Mar 2023 #30
I agree. ShazzieB Jun 2023 #52
Good! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #6
+1. I trust Biden on this dalton99a Mar 2023 #8
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #10
There are 400,000 Russian nationals in the U.S. former9thward Mar 2023 #11
Not my call. I trust Joe. SheltieLover Mar 2023 #12
As do I. Owl Mar 2023 #28
Ok with me. Expel them all. Captain Zero Mar 2023 #36
Would you expel those who have become U.S. citizens? former9thward Mar 2023 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2023 #49
Having been to Russia, I take your point. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2023 #50
My Mom used a phrase often mercuryblues Jun 2023 #51
I had great-grandparents who fled Russia. carpetbagger Jun 2023 #57
only the ones who have no legal status treestar Mar 2023 #42
The laws are surely more complex than that treestar Jun 2023 #55
Seriously? Despite the hyperbole in the article it is about ONE person being deported. One. An okaawhatever Jun 2023 #65
Yeesh TheProle Jun 2023 #64
whow. I am with the OP--I do not know what to make of this right now. .. riversedge Mar 2023 #7
Use the archive usonian Mar 2023 #15
Thanks for tips I will try. riversedge Mar 2023 #41
The Guardian doesn't have a paywall. nt Celerity Mar 2023 #39
Hmmm I am thinking about what happened during WWII to the Japanese Americans and immigrants so cstanleytech Mar 2023 #18
selective xenophobia running riot from certain quarters Celerity Mar 2023 #40
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very different; long term multi-generational treestar Mar 2023 #44
Actually it was also recent immigrants from japan that were also treated in the same manner and cstanleytech Mar 2023 #45
the Russians have a long tradition of US spying treestar Mar 2023 #46
100% certain Putin has sent some Russian agents to the US. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #19
I also believe that's what is going on here: C Moon Mar 2023 #24
Putin is very angry at the US right now. Of course he is going to increase his war against us. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #25
We should let them all in MaryMagdaline Mar 2023 #20
Sorry no safe harbor here. Go back to Russia organize some friends and depose Putin. ZonkerHarris Mar 2023 #21
REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Mar 2023 #33
How about deporting the real Russian s, republicans. nt yaesu Mar 2023 #22
This is not a good look. We should be offering them asylum mainer Mar 2023 #23
asylum is only for government persecution treestar Mar 2023 #43
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Was he here illegally ? Did he seek asylum or was just here ? JI7 Mar 2023 #26
Maybe IbogaProject Mar 2023 #27
Bye, Russians! orangecrush Mar 2023 #31
How about letting them stay after they spend 1 year in the Ukranian army? Wonder Why Mar 2023 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author old as dirt Mar 2023 #34
We have to be concerned that some are sleepers Captain Zero Mar 2023 #35
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...and how many of them are FSB or GRU? roamer65 Mar 2023 #38
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Well said. Welcome to DU! marble falls Jun 2023 #53
Post removed Post removed Jun 2023 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Jun 2023 #56
Some of the comments on this thread are disturbing. Xolodno Jun 2023 #59
You make good points that I agree with. mysteryowl Jun 2023 #60
I can tell you a bit of anecdotal evidence of it. Xolodno Jun 2023 #66
GOOD orangecrush Jun 2023 #61
tfg on the list? Kennah Jun 2023 #62
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tfg isn't Russian Kennah Aug 2023 #68
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Welcome back. marble falls Aug 2023 #72

treestar

(82,383 posts)
54. True, just claiming something does not mean
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 09:27 AM
Jun 2023

that you will meet the burden of proof and make out a case.

A case can be denied and the person thus is ordered deported. No foul in that - they had the opportunity to make the claim and prove the case under the law.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
3. I suppose they could be suspected of espionage or of crimial activites
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:40 AM
Mar 2023

It could be a perfect pretext for Putin to embed agents in the U.S., but I am just speculating. Unless U.S. authorities are suspicious of something like that, there is no way we should be deporting Russian dissidents now.

Traildogbob

(8,704 posts)
5. Can we at
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:44 AM
Mar 2023

Least demand they take the entire trump family, even Barron, and all the GQP operatives for each asylum seeker from Russia we take? And we should take 2 for each of Jr’s and Eric’s spawn. Eliminate the gene in Our country. That is some acceptable genocide, and one we should never be ashamed of to put in Our history books and class room lessons.

Traildogbob

(8,704 posts)
13. I think
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:58 AM
Mar 2023

We are taking Russian Refuges fleeing Putin, so that’s why I like trading our traitors for their asylum seekers. The Russian’s fleeing are much more patriotic and willing to stand for American than the GQP cult of Putin. I would gladly trade any of the Large Marge Caucus for any other countries asylum seekers. We can trust them to appreciate Democracy.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
14. Great point.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:02 AM
Mar 2023

We have to trust Joe & the intel community on this, though.

Vindeman is a great example of what you've shared. A superb patriot!

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
17. After Poland caught that group secretly planning to blow up an airport,
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:13 AM
Mar 2023

I'm good with whatever Joe does.

Of course, I'm always good with whatever Joe does!

ShazzieB

(16,348 posts)
52. I agree.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 06:54 AM
Jun 2023

Last edited Wed Aug 2, 2023, 03:29 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't like the whole idea of deporting American citizens in general, even those we believe to be crooks. They should be tried in a court of law and sentenced accordingly. I get wanting to treat them harshly, but that's not the way to do it. Dragging the kid into it pushes this thing into another level of nope, no way.

I don't like Gitmo jokes, either. We're Democrats; we're better than this. Leave the savagery to the red hat wearers.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
6. Good!
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:45 AM
Mar 2023

After the group caught in Poland planning to blow up airport, no desire for ruskies to be here.

Not to say they are all bad people, but is it worth the risk? Not to me. Jmo. I didn't get a vote on this. Lol

Joe must know something prompting him to get them out of our country. Intel warnings, perhaps?

Captain Zero

(6,799 posts)
36. Ok with me. Expel them all.
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 11:19 AM
Mar 2023

There are some Russians here claiming they are from Ukraine too. Trying to fly under the radar. We need a program to root out Putin's plants. And don't tell me I'm not right. You know he would do it. In 10;years a bunch of them will be running for Congress in safe Republican seats.

former9thward

(31,963 posts)
37. Would you expel those who have become U.S. citizens?
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 12:44 PM
Mar 2023

Afterall a perfect way to "sneak in". Maybe we should expel all foreign born. They might be agents also.

Response to Captain Zero (Reply #36)

Rhiannon12866

(205,074 posts)
50. Having been to Russia, I take your point.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 05:16 AM
Jun 2023

And I can see how young men would want to escape Putin's draft to join his losing and lethal war. However, those who make it here need to be vetted like all new immigrants since we know that Putin has to be furious at this country for siding with and arming Ukraine.

carpetbagger

(4,391 posts)
57. I had great-grandparents who fled Russia.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 10:03 AM
Jun 2023

Their son fought in the US Army in the war. Their cousins all died in the Holocaust.

My stepfather's mother fled the communists in the 1920s. She loved long enough to see the fall of that government, and even returned to her hometown in 1998. She lived long enough to see Putin's rotted soul and to cast her last presidential ballot for Hillary Clinton.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. only the ones who have no legal status
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:29 AM
Mar 2023

doesn't matter what nationality people are - they need a legal status or they can be deported. They don't have to be criminals or bad guys. If they apply for asylum, it has to be granted for them to stay here. If it is denied, they are out.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
55. The laws are surely more complex than that
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 09:29 AM
Jun 2023

It depends. If they have status to be in the U.S., then of course they are not to be deported. But if they have no case, deportation is the legal remedy.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
65. Seriously? Despite the hyperbole in the article it is about ONE person being deported. One. An
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 04:28 PM
Jun 2023

individual whose asylum claim was rejected.

The whole article reads like propaganda since it describes nothing more than one person being deported after the asylum process was completed.
While the article mentions. as if it is fact, that the asylum seeker claimed retribution for not joining army, they don’t mention that maybe that isn’t true. They never investigated anything, never got one comment from the US government or immigration.

I wish more people could recognize propaganda when they read it.

Those who are comparing it to the internment of Japanese Americans have made quite the leap. It is the most absurd claim I’ve heard in a long time. ONE man being deported after asylum hearings, etc. isn’t even close to the same thing as locking up the Japanese.

We’re smarter than this guys. We’re Democrats.

TheProle

(2,161 posts)
64. Yeesh
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:49 PM
Jun 2023

Madlibs for xenophobes/:

After the group caught in _______ planning to ________, no desire for ________to be here.

Not to say they are all bad people, but is it worth the risk? Not to me.

riversedge

(70,177 posts)
7. whow. I am with the OP--I do not know what to make of this right now. ..
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:45 AM
Mar 2023

I can't read rest of article because I have used my free ones. Will look later to see if other media outlets have a story

usonian

(9,743 posts)
15. Use the archive
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:09 AM
Mar 2023
https://archive.ph/ZnlaI

Sometimes, the wayback machine works (archive.org)

You can try clearing cookies from your browser. Some sites use cookies to count visits. Some use browser fingerprinting (evil).

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
18. Hmmm I am thinking about what happened during WWII to the Japanese Americans and immigrants so
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:56 AM
Mar 2023

I hope that our government doesn't repeat that.

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
40. selective xenophobia running riot from certain quarters
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 07:29 PM
Mar 2023

The same arguments are being tossed out by some for Russians living in the US now that were used to justify the Japanese internment camps back in the day.

They could be Japanese agents/spies of Hirohito, so it's better to play it safe!

Now substitute Russian and Putin in that sentence.

As long as it is a bogeyman, a spectre, that they hate/fear, then it's all good, despite the same (or at least similar) things, the same xenophobia, being manifested in the past against other groups that they happen to approve of/like/admire (thus sparking selective outrage for THAT historical abuse, whilst at the same time arguing for similar treatment for their non-preferred, non-approved-of groups).

It's sad to see this here on a self-proclaimed liberal/progressive board.

Hell, I wager some may well think I am perhaps a crypto-Russian agent just for bringing this up.

Some of the chatter here sounds a bit too much like what many Jews were told when they arrived in the US (and were turned away) in the 1930s/1940s:



The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies

In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

In the summer of 1942, the SS Drottningholm set sail carrying hundreds of desperate Jewish refugees, en route to New York City from Sweden. Among them was Herbert Karl Friedrich Bahr, a 28-year-old from Germany, who was also seeking entry to the United States. When he arrived, he told the same story as his fellow passengers: As a victim of persecution, he wanted asylum from Nazi violence.

But during a meticulous interview process that involved five separate government agencies, Bahr's story began to unravel. Days later, the FBI accused Bahr of being a Nazi spy. They said the Gestapo had given him $7,000 to steal American industrial secrets—and that he'd posed as a refugee in order to sneak into the country unnoticed. His case was rushed to trial, and the prosecution called for the death penalty. What Bahr didn’t know, or perhaps didn’t mind, was that his story would be used as an excuse to deny visas to thousands of Jews fleeing the horrors of the Nazi regime.

World War II prompted the largest displacement of human beings the world has ever seen—although today's refugee crisis is starting to approach its unprecedented scale. But even with millions of European Jews displaced from their homes, the United States had a poor track record offering asylum. Most notoriously, in June 1939, the German ocean liner St. Louis and its 937 passengers, almost all Jewish, were turned away from the port of Miami, forcing the ship to return to Europe; more than a quarter died in the Holocaust.

Government officials from the State Department to the FBI to President Franklin Roosevelt himself argued that refugees posed a serious threat to national security. Yet today, historians believe that Bahr's case was practically unique—and the concern about refugee spies was blown far out of proportion.

snip


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cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
45. Actually it was also recent immigrants from japan that were also treated in the same manner and
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 04:45 AM
Mar 2023

with the same reaction that we have seen by some here.
Thats not to say I dont think some probably do need to be deported but we need to avoid repeating the same mistake that was made back during WWII.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
46. the Russians have a long tradition of US spying
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 05:58 AM
Mar 2023

as we do of spying on them. It's a different relationship.

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
20. We should let them all in
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:11 PM
Mar 2023

What a way to “kill” potential soldiers without shedding any blood. Russia was already defeating itself by causing millions of young people to move to the West. Let’s bleed their population until it’s dry.
We gained a lot of great Americans who fled conscript in Russia in early 1900s.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
43. asylum is only for government persecution
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:30 AM
Mar 2023

nothing says being subject to a draft is persecution. Maybe political opposition to the war, and being jailed for that.

Response to treestar (Reply #43)

IbogaProject

(2,800 posts)
27. Maybe
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:21 PM
Mar 2023

The goal is to force Russians to fight Putin there. It's bad for this individual but that regime needs to be toppled.

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Captain Zero

(6,799 posts)
35. We have to be concerned that some are sleepers
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 11:12 AM
Mar 2023

That Putin is sending to infiltrate us too. I say we should pack up their embassy and consulates here, and send them back too, and let them keep five people in a place of our choosing.

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Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
59. Some of the comments on this thread are disturbing.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 02:13 AM
Jun 2023

What if they are pacifists? And yes there are pacifist groups, religions, etc. in Russia. So just deport them and say tuff shit? Condemn them to being cannon fodder? Put them in a work camp in Siberia?

But some here want them to take up arms against Putin after a lifetime of non-violence. SMH.

mysteryowl

(7,370 posts)
60. You make good points that I agree with.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 08:36 AM
Jun 2023

Remember how American males went to Canada to avoid the draft? That is what I think of.

It would be hard to screen them though.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
66. I can tell you a bit of anecdotal evidence of it.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 04:26 AM
Jun 2023

My father (RIP), was a CO. He worked at a hospital domestically to fulfill his draft duty. He loved the job and enjoyed the opportunity to help others. So after the war, he tossed his draft card, bad mistake. So sometime later he takes a trip with all of us in the family to Canada (this was before Carter's blanket pardon). As we made our way back, he gets detained as a possible draft dodger.

Long story short, there were some "aggressive" young border patrol agents and it looked like my father would be arrested. However, there was one older agent and my mother said, "did you bother to look at his DMV record?". So he went and looked it up.

He came back after that and told the younger agents "you better release him, he has a very long list of speeding tickets in California during the war".

So screening, can be a bit of a bias. I know most would like to think and believe in a blind justice, but, sadly, personal prejudices can often circumvent that. And I've also experienced that personally as well. Many like to shoot first and ask questions later.

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