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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 02:21 PM Mar 2023

China threatens consequences over US warship's actions

Source: AP via Yahoo News

China threatened “serious consequences” Friday after the United States Navy sailed a destroyer around the disputed Paracel Islands in the South China Sea for the second day in a row, in a move Beijing claimed was a violation of its sovereignty and security.

The warning comes amid growing tensions between China and the United States in the region, as Washington pushes back at Beijing's growingly assertive posture in the South China Sea, a strategic waterway it claims virtually in its entirety.

On Thursday, after the U.S. sailed the USS Milius guided-missile destroyer near the Paracel Islands, China said its navy and air force had forced the American vessel away, a claim the U.S. military denied.

The U.S. on Friday sailed the ship again in the vicinity of the islands, which are occupied by China but also claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam, as part of what it called a “freedom of navigation operation" challenging requirements from all three nations requiring either advance notification or permission before a military vessel sails by.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/china-threatens-consequences-over-us-063847358.html

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China threatens consequences over US warship's actions (Original Post) Zorro Mar 2023 OP
Ooooh noooo, does that mean china may shut our walmarts down ImNotGod Mar 2023 #1
Jingo bells, Jingo bells, Jingo comes to play Magoo48 Mar 2023 #2
Enforcing freedom of navigation is hardly a waste of tax dollars. nt EX500rider Mar 2023 #3
"Sailing Around" costs untold millions, millions better put to use for countless national needs. Magoo48 Mar 2023 #5
The US relies on overseas trade for exports & imports..our economy depends on it EX500rider Mar 2023 #6
The whole world relies on freedom of navigation through international waters. China is like a Martin68 Mar 2023 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author cstanleytech Mar 2023 #7
The ship will be sailing Zeitghost Mar 2023 #8
Oh, ok. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #9
And how many untold millions will it cost if China were to deny access MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #10
That's a hypothetical. Where have we been denied? Magoo48 Mar 2023 #19
Sure it's hypothetical. That doesn't mean it isn't a clear and present danger. It's only Martin68 Mar 2023 #21
So what happens when China does deny access to the S. China Sea MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #23
Is that clearly as Saddam had WMD? Magoo48 Mar 2023 #25
Apples and oranges, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #27
Different POVs are good. Back at ya on the weekend thing. Magoo48 Mar 2023 #28
Respectfully, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #29
Y'all's Discourse Maintained Civility & Decorum During A Disagreement! Well Done!! MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #34
Except there actually WAS a unprovoked attack on a US warship? EX500rider Mar 2023 #33
"hypothetical"? hardly, China is trying to claim the entire sea up to the very shore... EX500rider Mar 2023 #32
Just our navy? You really believe the Chinese aren't destroying ecosystems by building AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #12
Of course it's not just our Navy. It's all of them. Magoo48 Mar 2023 #16
We already pay the US Navy to sail around. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #4
So what you are saying is your support the CCP and its aggressive attempts AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #11
Spot on. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #13
+1 orangecrush Mar 2023 #14
Hell no I don't support the CCP. Magoo48 Mar 2023 #18
Okay then. . .we'll just let the CCP continue to infringe on it's neighbors because they. . . AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #24
Military action on behalf of which of China's neighbors is justified? Magoo48 Mar 2023 #26
No. we're using the military to stop a major polluting country and saving the environment AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #30
A sign to foreign companies in China: Get out while you can. NM Grins Mar 2023 #15
A sternly worded letter? truthisfreedom Mar 2023 #17
Fuck China. dalton99a Mar 2023 #22
Well, tell China to leap if they feel froggy. n/t elocs Mar 2023 #31

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
2. Jingo bells, Jingo bells, Jingo comes to play
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 03:00 PM
Mar 2023

Oh what fun it is to bray,
Wasting tax dollars all the way.

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
5. "Sailing Around" costs untold millions, millions better put to use for countless national needs.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 03:17 PM
Mar 2023

And, Navy activity pollutes the hell out the ocean.

EX500rider

(10,847 posts)
6. The US relies on overseas trade for exports & imports..our economy depends on it
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 03:25 PM
Mar 2023

So we also rely on freedom of navigation. Everyone else is to afraid of China to enforce free travel through international waters so it is up to the USN.

If you agree we need a Navy then you should realize they need to spend time at sea to be proficient.
It does not cost any more to sail there then anywhere else.

Martin68

(22,801 posts)
20. The whole world relies on freedom of navigation through international waters. China is like a
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:45 AM
Mar 2023

troll under the bridge, threatening people who want to cross the bridge. The US is performing a service that benefits the US and every other country in the region without violence or the threat of violence. China is the one threatening violence.

Response to Magoo48 (Reply #5)

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
8. The ship will be sailing
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 06:28 PM
Mar 2023

Somewhere, no matter what its mission. It doesn't cost an additional dime for it to keep international waters free for navigation. Keeping the worlds shipping routs free, open and safe is probably the most productive use of our Navy.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,377 posts)
10. And how many untold millions will it cost if China were to deny access
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 08:41 PM
Mar 2023

to one of the busiest trading sea routes?

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
19. That's a hypothetical. Where have we been denied?
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 08:25 AM
Mar 2023

I’m referring to what’s going on right now.

The three most powerful nations in the world right now are behaving like schoolyard bullies while the world’s MIC rakes in the bucks.

What good does it do for these forces to continually sail around trailing human waste, garbage, toxic chemicals, and fumes?

Martin68

(22,801 posts)
21. Sure it's hypothetical. That doesn't mean it isn't a clear and present danger. It's only
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:48 AM
Mar 2023

hypothetical until it happens, and then it's too late. The cost would be far greater if China were allowed to interfere with shipping lanes using militarized artificial islands they're built in other countries' waters..

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,377 posts)
23. So what happens when China does deny access to the S. China Sea
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 12:05 PM
Mar 2023

because that's clearly where they're headed.

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
25. Is that clearly as Saddam had WMD?
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 12:53 PM
Mar 2023

Is that clearly like the US would stamp out Afghanistan’s and narco state bring democracy to Afghanistan?

Is that clearly like the unprovoked unprovoked attack which led us into Vietnam?

The Truth About Tonkin | Naval History Magazine - February 2008 Volume 22, Number 1 https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/february/truth-about-tonkin

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,377 posts)
27. Apples and oranges,
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:13 PM
Mar 2023

clearly those 3 incidents, one of which I was directly involved in, are different,

China has built islands in disputed waters which are military bases with the intent to deny or interdict the world's busiest trade routes.

I don't know about you, but I'm very glad that the Biden Admin is confronting China by conducting freedom of navigation policies to let China that know any attempt to close the S. China Sea to lawful sea traffic will be opposed.

You may have a differing opinion, that's good, that's your right, express it, as I and others are doing.

Have a great weekend.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,377 posts)
29. Respectfully,
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:26 PM
Mar 2023

let me change something in my previous post, I wrote you may have a differing opinion, what I should have wrote is that you have a differing opinion, which I respect, while at the same time, disagree with.

Peace out
Dan.

EX500rider

(10,847 posts)
33. Except there actually WAS a unprovoked attack on a US warship?
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 04:11 PM
Mar 2023

As stated in the story you posted:

On 2 August 1964, North Vietnamese patrol torpedo boats attacked the USS Maddox (DD-731) while the destroyer was in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. There is no doubting that fact.

EX500rider

(10,847 posts)
32. "hypothetical"? hardly, China is trying to claim the entire sea up to the very shore...
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 04:09 PM
Mar 2023

...of the Philippines & Malaysia

March 24, 2023: China continues asserting ownership of vast offshore areas that are legally considered part of the Philippines. Worse, the Philippines gets most of the unwanted Chinese attention in the South China Sea. That’s because the Philippines has the most to lose. In terms of land area, the 7,600 islands that comprise the Philippines amount to only 300,000 square kilometers (120,000 square miles). Compare this to China, with 9.6 million square kilometers of land. According to international law, the Philippines controls (via its EEZ or Exclusive Economic Zone) water areas covering 2.26 million square kilometers.

March 11, 2023: A Filipino Coast Guard plane flying over one of the nine Spratly Islands occupied by Filipinos, received a radio message from a nearby Chinese coast guard vessel ordering the Philippine aircraft to leave “Chinese airspace”. The Filipinos radioed back that they were flying over Philippine islands and the Chinese ship went radio-silent.

March 5, 2023: China is again trying to force the Philippines to abandon Pagasa Island. This is one of the Spratly Islands and for several years China has been blockading the island for a while. This time China has deployed one warship and at least forty ships belonging to the Chinese naval militia. Pagasa is the second largest of the Spratly Islands and also claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam. The Philippines is the only claimant with a settlement and military garrison on the island. The Chinese are using non-lethal (most of the time) force to drive everyone else out the South China Sea islands they claim. The last time China used force (against Vietnam) was in the 1970s, before China became dependent on the sea lanes that pass through the South China Sea to the Middle East, Africa and Australia.

While the South China Sea combat is non-lethal, the economic damage to other nations with legal claims to portions of the South China Sea is very real. As this shoving match escalates, other major trading nations, especially the United States, Japan and South Korea, as well as more distant industrialized nations, are lending military support. While everyone is under orders to not open fire, unless facing a lethal threat, the risk of the shoving match turning into a shooting match increases.


AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
12. Just our navy? You really believe the Chinese aren't destroying ecosystems by building
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 08:56 PM
Mar 2023

artificial islands to increase its fraudulent claims?

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
16. Of course it's not just our Navy. It's all of them.
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 08:06 AM
Mar 2023

It’s all militaries everywhere. Posturing, probing, jingoism, it’s all dangerous and destructive.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
4. We already pay the US Navy to sail around.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 03:03 PM
Mar 2023

They might as well sail where it serves our national security interests.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
11. So what you are saying is your support the CCP and its aggressive attempts
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 08:54 PM
Mar 2023

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to control international waters by building manmade islands trying to run roughshod over its neighbors?

You believe any attempt to make China play by the rules that they ignore unless is benefits them is jingoism?

You need to stop listening to Jimmy Dore and believing CCP propaganda.

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
18. Hell no I don't support the CCP.
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 08:12 AM
Mar 2023

I don’t think any military action is needed if it’s not designed to protect our planet’s environment rather than further damage it.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
24. Okay then. . .we'll just let the CCP continue to infringe on it's neighbors because they. . .
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 12:33 PM
Mar 2023

wait, China is the largest polluting nation in the world. There, military use is now justified against them

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
30. No. we're using the military to stop a major polluting country and saving the environment
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 03:07 PM
Mar 2023

to hell with the CCP destroying a neighbor's policy and to hell with the US living up to its treaty obligations and defending a fully functioning democracy like Taiwan and Philippines.

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