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riversedge

(70,299 posts)
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 07:51 PM Mar 2023

Lt. Gov. Jones vows investigation after ATF goes to Adventure Outdoors gun store

Source: 11alive.com



The presence of ATF was observed by several Georgia Republican congressmembers.




Updated: 3:42 PM EDT March 27, 2023
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SMYRNA, Ga. — Lt. Gov. Burt Jones vowed an investigation Monday after an apparent visit by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to a Smyrna gun store.

11Alive contacted ATF to confirm the nature of the bureau's presence at Adventure Outdoors, which was posted about by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, but the bureau did not respond to request for comment.


The presence of ATF was observed by fellow Georgia Republican Reps. Barry Loudermilk, Mike Collins and Rich McCormick as well, according to Greene's post.

Lt. Gov. Jones reposted a video of the Congress members speaking to a person wearing an ATF public information officer jacket. He wrote: "Adventure Outdoors is one of the largest and most respected businesses in our state — and this appears to be an egregious overreach by Joe Biden’s ATF. We will be working to investigate this situation to protect this business and Georgians’ 2A rights."
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Read more: https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/georgia-lt-gov-burt-jones-adventure-outdoors-marjorie-taylor-greene/85-26b60cab-bfa8-4e6d-b5d7-ca8cb1a4f47e



Well, per policy the AFT is not giving any information. I have no clue why this business was being inspected. But some are sure upset that a large and 'respected' business is being seen by the ATF!! stay tuned.




The federal law enforcement agents doing the inspection left as members of Congress began questioning them.

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@AMedina1224
Funny how Loudermilk felt the need to clarify that the opinionated tone MTG used with the public info officer was not the same as with the inspectors...like that matters.

Let the inspectors do their job.

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@bywillpollock
it’s an inspection, love. calm down.



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Lt. Gov. Jones vows investigation after ATF goes to Adventure Outdoors gun store (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2023 OP
Where can I send a sympathy card? Roy Rolling Mar 2023 #1
ATF inspects our business every year Geechie Mar 2023 #2
Well, that's the problem PatSeg Mar 2023 #18
I get it. Just can't quite grasp how Geechie Mar 2023 #21
It certainly does boggle the mind, doesn't it? PatSeg Mar 2023 #25
More fucking interference in ongoing investigations. Who is doing it? Republiconners of course. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2023 #3
That's a routine part of ATF's function. Straw Man Mar 2023 #4
Like Jordan, these shit-for-brains reps don't even know how this government works. ancianita Mar 2023 #5
It is just one endless reality TV show for them PatSeg Mar 2023 #19
They were sued by NY City for straw purchases Historic NY Mar 2023 #6
Thanks Chrysanthemum Mar 2023 #15
I'm comforted to know..... MyOwnPeace Mar 2023 #7
Oh, for the love of all that is rational,* sane,* and reasonable*! ShazzieB Mar 2023 #8
Every federal regulatory agency, including ATF, has some kind of inspection program BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #9
That Makes A Lot Of Sense! -- I Appreciate This Additional Insight MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #16
The other state funneling guns up here was South Carolina BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #17
They would sure hate the coast guards inspection duties. OneCrazyDiamond Mar 2023 #22
That usually happens with any agency BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #24
Coast Guard require no warrant. OneCrazyDiamond Mar 2023 #28
Because why? BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #29
But but but The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #10
So who tipped off... reACTIONary Mar 2023 #11
WTF with that? Bayard Mar 2023 #23
My brother was "investigated" perhaps 11 years ago. Igel Mar 2023 #12
Phx is the abbreviation for Phoenix Historic NY Mar 2023 #26
And when a cop's head is blown off by a gun straw-purchased at this store f_townsend Mar 2023 #13
Fuck MTG ZonkerHarris Mar 2023 #14
Arrest those idiots for impeding a federal officer in the commision of his duties. nt Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #20
All these threats of "investigations" are starting to sound a lot like when some jerkwad Aristus Mar 2023 #27

Geechie

(865 posts)
2. ATF inspects our business every year
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:01 PM
Mar 2023

Because, ya dumb motherfuckers, we sell alcohol. Where can I complain about being “raided?” Does MTG really not have anything else to do?

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
18. Well, that's the problem
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 08:49 AM
Mar 2023

Greene doesn't actually do any real legislative work. Her job apparently is to create photo ops and manufacture nonexistent issues for the media.

Geechie

(865 posts)
21. I get it. Just can't quite grasp how
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 09:41 AM
Mar 2023

someone could be that stupid, and in the spotlight all the time. smh…

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
25. It certainly does boggle the mind, doesn't it?
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 11:41 AM
Mar 2023

I've always known there were people like Marjorie, but what is shocking and disturbing to me is how many people support and cheer them on. I really didn't believe there were that many gullible, shallow people in the world. AND they're everywhere!

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
4. That's a routine part of ATF's function.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:09 PM
Mar 2023

They oversee the activities of FFL (Federal Firearms License) holders. That's like screaming "Government overreach!" when a traffic cop asks for your driver's license.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
19. It is just one endless reality TV show for them
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 08:53 AM
Mar 2023

They really aren't qualified for much of anything, so they've turned governing into a game.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
7. I'm comforted to know.....
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:30 PM
Mar 2023

they they are protecting a gun store on a day that we had another 6 people killed in yet another school shooting.

ShazzieB

(16,511 posts)
8. Oh, for the love of all that is rational,* sane,* and reasonable*!
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:37 PM
Mar 2023
*3 concepts with which neither MTG nor any of her henchpersons have any familiarity whatsoever

ATF agents raid one of the largest gun dealers in the country.


An inspection is not a raid, you ginormous douchewagon!

BumRushDaShow

(129,440 posts)
9. Every federal regulatory agency, including ATF, has some kind of inspection program
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:40 PM
Mar 2023

It's been like that for forever.

And on a note that might be related to the OP - the below happened last year as a result of issues that became big news here in Philly a year ago -

Trafficking ring moved nearly 300 guns from Georgia to Pennsylvania, prosecutors say



April 11, 2022, 5:00 AM EDT / Updated April 11, 2022, 6:10 PM EDT
By Joshua Eaton

(snip)

For months, agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had been building a case against Norman, Walker and two other suspects. The agents ultimately traced nearly 300 firearms purchased in Georgia from dozens of gun retailers to the suspects after some were found at crime scenes and in the possession of convicted felons in Philadelphia, according to records and interviews with federal law enforcement.

"We know that these guns are being used in crimes," said Eric Degree, the assistant special agent in charge of the ATF office in Philadelphia.

(snip)

In an interview with ATF agents at the apartment in Atlanta in 2020, Walker admitted to buying 50 to 60 guns in order to sell them without a dealer’s license, according to the affidavit — a violation of federal law. Norman allegedly admitted to buying more than 100, according to federal records.

(snip)

“I never knew how open guns was in Georgia,” Norman said. “The whole process threw me off. You walk in, and then there’s a police officer sitting at the front. And they don’t check for, you know, ID or carry licenses or if you’re a felon or nothing.”

(snip)

Officials said the ring ran a classic straw-purchasing scheme, in which someone buys a gun for someone else who typically can’t legally buy one or doesn’t want to leave a paper trail. Between June and December 2020, the Georgia defendants allegedly bought guns almost daily at stores like Academy Sports, Adventure Outdoors and a string of pawn shops, then trafficked them to Pennsylvania, according to the 60-page indictment unsealed last month.

(snip)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-trafficking-ring-georgia-pennsylvania-rcna23686


BumRushDaShow

(129,440 posts)
17. The other state funneling guns up here was South Carolina
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 07:17 AM
Mar 2023

The gun trafficking from southern states to the north has been dubbed "The Iron Pipeline".

Local News
Philadelphia Man Charged With Illegally Trafficking Almost 60 Straw Purchased Guns Into City From South Carolina


June 10, 2022 / 3:41 PM / CBS Philadelphia

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) -- Two men have been charged with illegally trafficking almost 60 guns into Philadelphia from South Carolina. The U.S. Attorney's office announced 41-year-old Terrance Darby, of Philadelphia, and 32-year-old Ontavious Plumer, of South Carolina, were charged by superseding indictment with gun trafficking offenses.

The charges are in relation to their scheme to straw purchase and transport across state lines almost 60 firearms. Darby was also charged with drug trafficking and gun possession stemming from his possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine and fentanyl, and unlawful possession of two firearms in his home in November 2021.

Between November 2020 and February 2021, the defendants conspired with at least four other individuals to illegally straw purchase almost 60 firearms from federally licensed gun shops in South Carolina and then transported the firearms via car to Philadelphia, the superseding indictment states.

Darby would place the order with Plumer, who would then direct co-conspirators to straw purchase firearms and transport them to Darby and his co-conspirator in Philadelphia.

(snip)

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/terrance-darby-ontavious-plumer-philadelphia-illegal-gun-trafficking-charges/


From DOJ regarding that SC case -

Two Men Charged With Illegally Trafficking Almost 60 Guns Into Philadelphia From South Carolina


Friday, June 10, 2022
For Immediate Release
U.S. Attorney's Office, Eastern District of Pennsylvania

PHILADELPHIA – United States Attorney Jennifer Arbittier Williams announced that Terrance Darby, 41, of Philadelphia, PA, and Ontavious Plumer, 32, of Due West, South Carolina, were charged by Superseding Indictment with gun trafficking offenses in connection with their scheme to straw purchase and transport across state lines almost 60 firearms.

Specifically, the defendants were charged with unlicensed dealing and transport of firearms, and conspiracy to engage in unlicensed dealing of firearms and to make false statements to a federally licensed firearms dealer. Darby was also charged with drug trafficking and gun possession stemming from his possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine and fentanyl, and unlawful possession of two firearms in his home in November 2021.

According to the Superseding Indictment, between November 2020 and February 2021, the defendants conspired with at least four other individuals to illegally straw-purchase almost 60 firearms from federally licensed gun shops in South Carolina, then transport these firearms via car into Philadelphia. Darby would allegedly place orders for firearms with Plumer, who would then direct co-conspirators to straw purchase firearms and transport them to Darby and his co-conspirator in Philadelphia.

This Superseding Indictment is the third set of charges brought by this Office in the last two months targeting the illegal trafficking of firearms from southern states into Philadelphia, a large northeastern city, a fact pattern which is known as the ‘iron pipeline.’ In April 2022, multiple defendants were Indicted in two federal cases involving the unlawful trafficking of approximately 400 firearms up the ‘iron pipeline’ into the city.

(snip)

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/two-men-charged-illegally-trafficking-almost-60-guns-philadelphia-south-carolina

BumRushDaShow

(129,440 posts)
24. That usually happens with any agency
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:13 AM
Mar 2023

and for the non-LEO ones, they just come back with U.S. Marshals in tow and if they are still refused, then the search warrants get generated and it's tough luck bub.

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,032 posts)
28. Coast Guard require no warrant.
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 01:15 PM
Mar 2023

They can board any vessel they want whenever they want in our navigable waters.

BumRushDaShow

(129,440 posts)
29. Because why?
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 01:34 PM
Mar 2023
Uniformed services!



That is why I said (regulatory) "non-LEO" agencies

The non-LEO civilian agencies need some backup (although my agency did send some folks to Quantico for firearms training years ago and eventually created a whole division that focused on "criminal investigations" ).
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
10. But but but
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:41 PM
Mar 2023

repukes support law enforcement.
They do, they tell us all the time how they do. You can trust repukes.

reACTIONary

(5,771 posts)
11. So who tipped off...
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:50 PM
Mar 2023

... the political performance artists? I guess the ATF gives advance notice of an inspection. So did the adventure gun store rat them out?

I'd notify them that this is indicative of a cover up, and their license is in jepody.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
12. My brother was "investigated" perhaps 11 years ago.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 09:53 PM
Mar 2023

At last check-in, Obama was not his favorite president.

Why?

He lives in Peoria, and often "Phx" is the mailing address residents use. But there was an executive effort to cut down on gun dealer licenses.

Once a decade or so some ATF wonk came through, examined my brother's documention, and pushed on. But in 2010 the ATF investigator said, there's no US city "Phx." What, it's pronounced "fix" ... "fux"? No such US city.

Brother told him to go f**k himself, but stay put. Brother vanished for 15 minutes and returned--and snowed the a-hole. Plopped documents in front of him--and flipped through them.

For 30 years "Phx" was okay by the ATF. Not a question, not a notification. My brother had documentation from the 1970s. The USPS accepted "Phx." Tax returns showed that the IRS accepted "Phx." Passport control from trips abroad--including passports--accepted "Phx." Social Security and Medicare accepted "Phx." If the US government has no clue what "Phx" means, then ATF really needs to make the IRS, HHS, SS get their act together because they're entirely out of line. Brother said this went on for a good 20 minutes.

Granted, the story is biased, but the investigator went away, never came back (as of a few years ago) and my brother continued with "Phx." Sells a few guns per year, buys a few. And is now afraid that the limit between "professional" and "hobby" is being down-graded.

 

f_townsend

(260 posts)
13. And when a cop's head is blown off by a gun straw-purchased at this store
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 10:30 PM
Mar 2023

that fact won't be highlighted by any of these anti-American GOP gun crazy liars.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
27. All these threats of "investigations" are starting to sound a lot like when some jerkwad
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 12:00 PM
Mar 2023

says: "You'll be hearing from my lawyer!"

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