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BumRushDaShow

(164,757 posts)
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 11:40 AM Mar 2023

NY grand jury investigating Trump will break for most of April, source says

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Source: CNN Politics

New York CNN — The Manhattan grand jury hearing the hush money case involving former President Donald Trump is currently scheduled to break after April 5 and restart later in the month, according to a source familiar with the matter. If the grand jury does not hear the case again for several weeks, it will pause what had been a wave of anticipation that a former president could be indicted for the first time in American history.

Trump himself incorrectly predicted he would be arrested last week amid news reports about security preparations being made in the event of an indictment. It comes as a new Quinnipiac University poll shows that 55% of Americans view the accusations against Trump as at least somewhat serious. The planned hiatus surrounding upcoming religious holidays and city public schools’ spring vacation was previously scheduled for the investigative grand jury, which was empaneled to serve for six months.

The grand jury is also not expected to hear the Trump hush money case Thursday or next week when they’re scheduled to hear other cases, the source said. Grand jury proceedings are secret and prosecutors can change plans for the panel at any time.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s investigation into Trump had appeared to be nearing a conclusion earlier this month after the former president was invited to testify before the grand jury. Since then, two more witnesses have testified, including lawyer Robert Costello, who appeared on Trump’s behalf. On Monday, the grand jury heard testimony from David Pecker, the former chairman of the publisher of the National Enquirer who played a key role in the hush money payment.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/politics/trump-grand-jury-april-break



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Previous articles/headlines -

New York CNN -- The Manhattan grand jury hearing the hush money case involving former President Donald Trump is currently scheduled to break after April 5 and restart later in the month, according to a source familiar with the matter. It is not immediately clear whether the grand jury will hear the Trump case again before April 5.

If the grand jury does not hear the case again for several weeks, it will pause what had been a wave of anticipation that a former president could be indicted for the first time in American history. Trump himself incorrectly predicted he would be arrested last week amid news reports about security preparations being made in the event of an indictment.

Grand jury proceedings are secret and subject to change. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's investigation into Trump had appeared to be nearing a conclusion earlier this month after the former president was invited to testify before the grand jury.

Since then, two more witnesses have testified, including lawyer Robert Costello, who appeared on Trump's behalf. On Monday, the grand jury heard testimony from David Pecker, the former chairman of the publisher of the National Enquirer who played a key role in the hush money payment.



NY grand jury investigating Trump will break for most of April, court source says

New York CNN -- The Manhattan grand jury hearing the hush money case involving former President Donald Trump is currently scheduled to break after April 5 and restart later in the month, a court administration source told CNN. It is not immediately clear whether the grand jury will hear the Trump case again before April 5.

If the grand jury does not hear the case again for several weeks, it will pause what had been a wave of anticipation that a former president could be indicted for the first time in American history. Trump himself incorrectly predicted he would be arrested last week amid news reports about security preparations being made in the event of an indictment.

Grand jury proceedings are secret and subject to change. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's investigation into Trump had appeared to be nearing a conclusion earlier this month after the former president was invited to testify before the grand jury.

Since then, two more witnesses have testified, including lawyer Robert Costello, who appeared on Trump's behalf. On Monday, the grand jury heard testimony from David Pecker, the former chairman of the publisher of the National Enquirer who played a key role in the hush money payment.



Original article -

New York CNN -- The Manhattan grand jury hearing the hush money case involving former President Donald Trump is currently scheduled to break after April 5 and restart later in the month, a court administration source told CNN.

It is not immediately clear whether the grand jury will hear the Trump case again before April 5.

Grand jury proceedings are secret and subject to change.

A spokeswoman for the New York district attorney's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

This story is breaking and will be updated.
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NY grand jury investigating Trump will break for most of April, source says (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 OP
This is the weakest of the cases against Trump maybe... Playingmantis Mar 2023 #1
Yea, right. Lets hope for an indictment by Summer, or maybe the following Summer... Chainfire Mar 2023 #5
Yes. Put us out of our misery now please. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2023 #9
I wonder if they realize just how slightlv Mar 2023 #30
This might be the strongest case IMO Johnny2X2X Mar 2023 #11
I bet Playingmantis Mar 2023 #31
This is not an open and shut case. former9thward Mar 2023 #40
Figures Rebl2 Mar 2023 #2
How this s.o.b. always manage to do avoid justice? Does he have dirt on so many important people skip fox Mar 2023 #3
As long as they keep trump squirming pwb Mar 2023 #4
Why would you think Trump is squirming? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2023 #10
The difference is he is losing everywhere in court. pwb Mar 2023 #26
I'll be the first to celebrate IF he is ever idicted LiberalLovinLug Mar 2023 #34
Are you celebrating? pwb Apr 2023 #43
You bet! LiberalLovinLug Apr 2023 #44
"losing everywhere in court" except that he's still free and this time it's dangerous msfiddlestix Mar 2023 #38
So sick of this LiberalLovinLug Mar 2023 #6
This grand jury is investigating other cases besides TFG's mcar Mar 2023 #7
for fucks sake ZonkerHarris Mar 2023 #8
This is my shocked face angrychair Mar 2023 #12
MF45 continues to get what he wants. aocommunalpunch Mar 2023 #13
Trump is the one that put it out videohead5 Mar 2023 #14
This was 8 years ago. Kablooie Mar 2023 #15
It's a good thing we're all equal under the law Orrex Mar 2023 #16
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Mar 2023 #39
More delays ? republianmushroom Mar 2023 #17
Maybe with the holidays coming up and school vacation in NY it just makes sense Raftergirl Mar 2023 #18
Don't fall for the conclusions the author is making Novara Mar 2023 #19
Sends the wrong message to the criminal mob boss. Weakness. Bullies thrive on weakness. We know that Evolve Dammit Mar 2023 #20
Yeah, well. We certainly wouldn't want to RUSH things, now would we? Paladin Mar 2023 #21
reminds me of Dickens' Bleak House and the case of Jarndyce and Jarndyce IcyPeas Mar 2023 #22
Until Trump is held accountable, he is above the law! Emile Mar 2023 #23
Like remaking Dragnet only Joe Friday refuses to leave his apartment. nt ImNotGod Mar 2023 #24
Costello came in moniss Mar 2023 #25
Again? Bragg is not handling this well. brush Mar 2023 #27
Wish the orange idiot would just fucking die and end all this. OverBurn Mar 2023 #28
Not die. Get a condition where he can't move, can't speak, can't feed himself or wipe his own ass. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2023 #42
Maybe Bragg IS sending a message to Trump. A false one. ificandream Mar 2023 #29
No... we don't know anything... slightlv Mar 2023 #32
I disagree. ificandream Mar 2023 #33
I feel the same way ☹️🤷‍♀️ Karma13612 Mar 2023 #36
WHAT? DUH !!! HUAJIAO Mar 2023 #35
Total bullshit orangecrush Mar 2023 #37
_ LudwigPastorius Mar 2023 #41

Playingmantis

(516 posts)
1. This is the weakest of the cases against Trump maybe...
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 11:44 AM
Mar 2023

maybe there is an agreement to allow the more serious cases to go first..?

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
5. Yea, right. Lets hope for an indictment by Summer, or maybe the following Summer...
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 11:58 AM
Mar 2023

As far as I am concerned, Blind Faith, is just a defunct rock and roll band. The big question in my mind, is how many disappointments will we have to experience before we come to realize that Trump is just too big to fail, too big to jail and that we have been strung along like a toy on a string.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,561 posts)
9. Yes. Put us out of our misery now please.
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:13 PM
Mar 2023

If behind the scenes Democrat's only concern is how they can pressure Bragg and others in the other cases to delay delay delay, then avoid laying any charges, or even drop them, because they have concluded in their discussion circles with their corporate donors and Wall Street execs that the country would become too "unstable" and also the backlash would harm their chances in 2024....

.....JUST TELL US NOW AND AVOID ALL THIS ANGST!

But they won't because if we knew, we'd never let them get away with it.

I don't want to have these suspicions of the Democratic Party, but they have to prove me wrong at this point. Its obvious charges could have and should have been laid long ago. Jan 6th charges right after the Congressional hearings while it was still fresh in the public's mind. They had oodles of evidence.

slightlv

(7,279 posts)
30. I wonder if they realize just how
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 02:34 PM
Mar 2023

demoralizing the delays, vacations, and lack of indictments is to the general population of the U.S. I know all the i's have to be dotted and the t's crossed, but give me a freaking break. The mental health of the populace is declining rapidly across the spectrum, violence by Magats increases, but let's go at a slowpoke pace on the most important and democracy defining case we've ever had. Rule of law will never again be respected like it once was; the veil has been ripped off and everyone has seen Justice was never blind. This will only lead to more trouble, IMHO.

Johnny2X2X

(23,657 posts)
11. This might be the strongest case IMO
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:23 PM
Mar 2023

It’s open and shut really. But it’s the least serious charge.

Any chance the mob got to jury members? Wouldn’t put it past Trump.

Playingmantis

(516 posts)
31. I bet
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 02:38 PM
Mar 2023

I bet that if Trump came out and said, "I will find the members of the jury that convicted me and they will be audited like no one has ever seen before and they will be bloodied and penniless" the GOP would be fine with that!!

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
40. This is not an open and shut case.
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 08:40 PM
Mar 2023

No legal expert says that. It is a seven year old business records case. This is normally charged as a misdemeanor in NY. They can't do that here because it is well beyond the statute of limitations. To get around that problem they are trying to tie it in with another crime which is a felony. The is an untried novel legal theory. Big risks for the prosecutor.

The DOJ looked at this case and decided not to prosecute.

skip fox

(19,502 posts)
3. How this s.o.b. always manage to do avoid justice? Does he have dirt on so many important people
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 11:54 AM
Mar 2023

so he can pressure them to pull back prosecutors and others?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,561 posts)
10. Why would you think Trump is squirming?
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:22 PM
Mar 2023

This is his MO. This is how he has been skating through life, and its been incredibly successful for him. Delay delay delay. Threaten. Use friendly media. Appeal on the flimsiest of details, and just maybe, eventually run into a corrupt (friendly MAGA) judge who can make it mostly all go away.

I won't be feeling fine until his big orange ass is convicted. I doubt he'll ever see a jail cell, but even a couple of those charges he be found guilty on would soothe me.

pwb

(12,436 posts)
26. The difference is he is losing everywhere in court.
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 01:46 PM
Mar 2023

It matters not what either one of us want anyway.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,561 posts)
34. I'll be the first to celebrate IF he is ever idicted
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 02:57 PM
Mar 2023

But he's been doing this for decades now. If he loses, he just appeals on any small factor his sleazy lawyers come up with.

And frankly it should matter what good, law abiding, citizens want to see happen, especially in a democracy. I disagree with that.

Yes, by all indications, one would think its a slam dunk. All we have to do is wait juuuuuuuuuuust a little longer. We'll see. Fingers crossed.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,561 posts)
44. You bet!
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 05:27 PM
Apr 2023

Not going full hog right now. No convictions. And no other indictments on the more serious crimes, and convictions on those.

Its a tempered celebration. Waaaaaaay too much history of protecting political and financial elites to jump up and down. But I'm smiling and enjoying watching the tiny crowds show up for him, and also the RW media have a hissy fit.

msfiddlestix

(8,156 posts)
38. "losing everywhere in court" except that he's still free and this time it's dangerous
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 08:30 PM
Mar 2023

I think the opportunities to threaten/corrupt this GJ during the break will be exceedingly easier.

They will be going home with addresses and family members. If anyone is able to obtain secret information on any GJ, his intelligence people will be able to gather and provide it.



mcar

(45,581 posts)
7. This grand jury is investigating other cases besides TFG's
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:04 PM
Mar 2023

how do we know they won't have concluded that specific investigation before they break?

angrychair

(11,624 posts)
12. This is my shocked face
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:27 PM
Mar 2023

That yet again there is yet again another excuse to delay the decision.

videohead5

(2,835 posts)
14. Trump is the one that put it out
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:36 PM
Mar 2023

On truth social that he was going to be indicted around 10 days ago. this is what got everyone thinking that he was. no one else said anything officially.

Kablooie

(19,029 posts)
15. This was 8 years ago.
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:40 PM
Mar 2023

Unless he can be charged with a Class A felony the statute of limitations has run out.
I expect it's going to be very hard to find a Class A felony in the payment case so don't expect too much.

Orrex

(66,557 posts)
16. It's a good thing we're all equal under the law
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:41 PM
Mar 2023

Otherwise this would be further unmistakable proof that the wealthy and powerful are largely impervious to legal consequences.


Of course, we won’t know what to think until the cheerleaders swoop in to scold me for my lack of faith in The System.

Raftergirl

(1,789 posts)
18. Maybe with the holidays coming up and school vacation in NY it just makes sense
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:48 PM
Mar 2023

to take this break.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
19. Don't fall for the conclusions the author is making
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:54 PM
Mar 2023

They don't HAVE to keep "hearing the case." For all we know, they can meet at any time to simply recommend an indictment. For all we know, they already have, and this case is concluded. For all we know, they may have already recommended an indictment. Or for all we know, they are taking time to decide on indictment for each crime and this is the whole kit and caboodle, not "just" the hush money case. It's speculated by several legal minds that this is why Bragg is taking his time. If they think they can prove the hush money scheme was part of a felony, i.e. tax evasion (most think this is likely), then the grand jury needs to vote on whether to indict for each charge.

We just don't know.



So, I'm doing some research:

In NY, prosecutors don't need a grand jury indictment to charge a misdemeanor. If it's a felony, then they need a grand jury indictment, and the prosecution has 6 months from the time of arraignment to go to trial. I can't seem to find how long it can take from when the grand jury recommends an indictment to when the person is arraigned, but IIRC, it's usually pretty quick, like days.



So, maybe timing is an issue and Bragg wants to get all of his ducks in a row before the arrest - especially if he has to bring the case to trial in 6 months. If he's planning on indicting a whole bunch of felonies involving tax evasion, campaign finance violations, etc., it is complicated and it isn't hard to see why this takes time.


Please, lawyers among us, correct me if I am drawing incorrect conclusions.

Evolve Dammit

(21,395 posts)
20. Sends the wrong message to the criminal mob boss. Weakness. Bullies thrive on weakness. We know that
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 12:58 PM
Mar 2023

Paladin

(32,170 posts)
21. Yeah, well. We certainly wouldn't want to RUSH things, now would we?
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 01:10 PM
Mar 2023

trump's going to get away with it. The rest of us will end up paying for it.

IcyPeas

(24,726 posts)
22. reminds me of Dickens' Bleak House and the case of Jarndyce and Jarndyce
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 01:20 PM
Mar 2023

the case went on... and on.... and on.... and on.....

(yes, it's a different subject but the exhaustion of it going on for years and years feels the same. probably my favorite Dickens)

moniss

(8,568 posts)
25. Costello came in
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 01:44 PM
Mar 2023

and likely said the Orange Ruski knew nothing about nothing and was just signing checks he was told to sign. Pecker probably came in and reported that he has forgotten everything about anything except for the Orange Ruski and a space alien having a three headed baby. Bragg of course asked for more details on the baby.

42. Not die. Get a condition where he can't move, can't speak, can't feed himself or wipe his own ass.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 02:10 AM
Mar 2023

All he'll be able to do is lie in bed watching MSNBC 24/7. Over a period of time he will fade from the news, as if he no longer exists. No one will say his name.

That would be a fate worse than death for TFG.

ificandream

(11,617 posts)
29. Maybe Bragg IS sending a message to Trump. A false one.
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 02:20 PM
Mar 2023

Bragg may be playing with him after the public games Trump has done recently. We don't really know. Remember the proceedings are secret. So we don't really know.

slightlv

(7,279 posts)
32. No... we don't know anything...
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 02:39 PM
Mar 2023

and it's have an extremely bad effect. To criminals both large and small, it says "crime DOES pay." To the law abiding citizen, it reminds us that we're nothing but dupes for continuing to follow laws stacked against us. At some point, between the interminable length of time it's taking to do what we all know needs to be done to trump, the damage that SCOTUS does to us, and all the redneck judges out to remake America, the Judicial system will crash. And, like most everything else, it can be traced back directly to trump. But, I guess, let us not make hasty judgements. I am SO demoralized. I feel like such a fool in my beliefs of this country. The rich rule all, the rest of us are just chattel for their use.

ificandream

(11,617 posts)
33. I disagree.
Wed Mar 29, 2023, 02:48 PM
Mar 2023

To make the proceedings even a little public with today's social media backlash would have a devastating effect on the justice system. I think they need to keep secrecy. Look what Trump has done with what he doesn't know (the false arrest post). He's such a bumble he'd make a bad situation worse. Bragg knows what he's doing more than Trump does.

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