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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,553 posts)
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:41 PM Apr 2023

Trump to be charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts, but spared handcuffs and mug shot

Source: Yahoo/Isikoff

Donald Trump will be placed under arrest on Tuesday and informed that he has been charged with 34 felony counts for falsification of business records, according to a source who has been briefed on the procedures for the arraignment of the former president.

A New York City Police arrest report summarizing the charges against Trump will then be prepared and entered into the court system before he is led into a courtroom to be formally arraigned on the charges, none of which are misdemeanors.

But, the source said, Trump will not be put in handcuffs, placed in a jail cell or subjected to a mug shot — typical procedures even for white collar defendants until a judge has weighed in on pretrial conditions. New York District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office, which has been consulting with the Secret Service and New York City court officials, concluded that there was no reason to subject the former president to handcuffs or a mug shot.

The stated reason for handcuffing defendants is on the grounds that the suspect might be a flight risk or a threat to the district attorney or court personnel, neither of which were judged to be relevant to the handling of a former president protected at all times by a phalanx of Secret Service agents.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-trump-to-be-charged-tuesday-with-34-felony-counts-but-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html




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Trump to be charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts, but spared handcuffs and mug shot (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 OP
Oh damn Marianne W Apr 2023 #1
I'm with you. COL Mustard Apr 2023 #3
Thank you! Marianne W Apr 2023 #7
And another welcome to Democratic Underground. I'll keep an eye out for your posts and comments. NBachers Apr 2023 #25
"Had a frame ready" markodochartaigh Apr 2023 #35
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #45
Damn!! No mug shot for The Donald. damn riversedge Apr 2023 #2
Yay! No mugshot! No flags / tshirts / billboards / coffee mugs / grifting off the mugshot Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #4
Thanks for pointing this out. crickets Apr 2023 #34
No mug shot? sheshe2 Apr 2023 #5
Likely true Rebl2 Apr 2023 #10
Yep relayerbob Apr 2023 #31
He should be treated exactly like anyone who if being arraigned for 34 felony counts. Scottie Mom Apr 2023 #6
Like it or not, he is considered a former president Rural_Progressive Apr 2023 #14
Those are reserved for the poor and destitute. The Grand Illuminist Apr 2023 #22
I think you miss the point... brooklynite Apr 2023 #43
I somewhat agree with you, BUT bluestarone Apr 2023 #49
I agree that he would make money from it... sueh Apr 2023 #50
agreed though treestar Apr 2023 #52
"none of which are misdemeanors" Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #8
Not yet - but we should know soon FBaggins Apr 2023 #20
Yes, tho re stat-of-limits, they all have been officially extended after Covid "pause", I think Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #23
Looks like the charges fit their talking points FBaggins Apr 2023 #53
They may be the weakest set, but I think there is a good likelihood of conviction Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #54
Further, I think a case could be made, and should be clear law, that being Pres suspends not runs Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #55
DENIED ! dweller Apr 2023 #9
He always screams about 2 different justice systems. kairos12 Apr 2023 #11
no reason to subject the former president to handcuffs or a mug shot.because he's special ImNotGod Apr 2023 #12
All over the world . . . Richard D Apr 2023 #13
Oh sure, because he's sooo special isn't he? Ligyron Apr 2023 #15
1 out of 2 aint bad but i still would have like handcuffs and mugshot. AllaN01Bear Apr 2023 #16
So will he still have to provide the DNA sample? TexasTowelie Apr 2023 #17
DNA and EJC screamcheese Apr 2023 #33
No need to make this any more of a circus than it already is Warpy Apr 2023 #18
I guess I can do without the mug shot chowmama Apr 2023 #19
Too bad, I was looking forward to that mugshot. Joinfortmill Apr 2023 #21
So, only poor people and minorities Miguelito Loveless Apr 2023 #24
I also want a mug shot and TFG's dna collected LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #26
This mental mess will not think he has been charged! Hope22 Apr 2023 #27
Wow! 34 FELONY counts ! Awesome!! nt TeamProg Apr 2023 #28
Oh, come on jmowreader Apr 2023 #29
I am so happy... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2023 #30
Justice for ffr Apr 2023 #32
It couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy. Beacool Apr 2023 #36
Thats OK, we still have the insurrection/document theft case, and the GA election fraud case D23MIURG23 Apr 2023 #37
No 24k gold handcuffs? LudwigPastorius Apr 2023 #38
No reason not to have a mug shot malthaussen Apr 2023 #39
Now his MAGAts will claim that it wasn't a real arrest because there was no mug shot. C Moon Apr 2023 #40
Forget the mug, I want his real height and weight. Darn nilram Apr 2023 #41
I wasn't expecting handcuffs, but I was really looking forward to that mug shot. 😕 ShazzieB Apr 2023 #42
There will be five photographers and so we will have the equivalent of a mug shot LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #44
FIFY Ray Bruns Apr 2023 #46
What Will Bail Be Set At? DallasNE Apr 2023 #47
Like everything else, I am sure he/they will mock up some real zingers to make liberals cry! Brainfodder Apr 2023 #48
Judge Merchan was previously Deminpenn Apr 2023 #51

markodochartaigh

(1,146 posts)
35. "Had a frame ready"
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:32 PM
Apr 2023

I did too. I even have one of those toilet lights for backlighting when I lower the "frame" to sit on it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
4. Yay! No mugshot! No flags / tshirts / billboards / coffee mugs / grifting off the mugshot
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:44 PM
Apr 2023

He was so wanting a mug shot for fundraising.

And all the merchandise vendors were so wanting a mug shot for sales.

Tough.

crickets

(25,983 posts)
34. Thanks for pointing this out.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:20 PM
Apr 2023

You and all the other smarties who thought of it -- this just hadn't occurred to me, duh. I am so glad he can't sell more tacky t-shirts and other crap with his lousy face on it. It's worth forgoing the mugshot to deprive him of the whining and the grift. YAY!

sheshe2

(83,892 posts)
5. No mug shot?
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:45 PM
Apr 2023

Ooops, there goes the grift... selling the tee shirts he wanted to print up with his mug shot.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
6. He should be treated exactly like anyone who if being arraigned for 34 felony counts.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:46 PM
Apr 2023

Fingerprint and mug shot. PERIOD

He is no better and not worse than anyone else -- should have the EXACT same treatment!

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
14. Like it or not, he is considered a former president
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:05 PM
Apr 2023

and until the right wing of this country gets over its fascination with authority figures he's not going to be treated the EXACT same way even if he should be treated more harshly given the actually damage and death he is responsible for causing.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,336 posts)
22. Those are reserved for the poor and destitute.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:20 PM
Apr 2023

Even if he is guilty, he will still live in comfort while all the other inmates will have to deal with the beatings, killings, and rapings.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
43. I think you miss the point...
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 12:42 AM
Apr 2023

A mug shot is for identification purposes. People have no trouble identifying Trump.

sueh

(1,826 posts)
50. I agree that he would make money from it...
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 12:53 PM
Apr 2023

yet it wouldn't surprise me if he sold merchandise with fake mug shots.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
52. agreed though
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:59 PM
Apr 2023

I guess they don't need it as he is easily identified.

the handcuffs he should have though. There was that rumor of him attacking people in a limo, wasn't there?

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
20. Not yet - but we should know soon
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:18 PM
Apr 2023

The talking point is that it's a single misdemeanor (30+ times over) that has been falsely inflated to a felony by attaching it to a crime that the NY DA can't charge and the feds chose not to.

If true - that would show up as 30+ felonies.

Indeed - there probably can't be any misdemeanors because there's a two-year statute of limitations on those.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
23. Yes, tho re stat-of-limits, they all have been officially extended after Covid "pause", I think
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:24 PM
Apr 2023

But arrangements and arraignments that reduce litigation and reduce delay by litigation are good things.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
53. Looks like the charges fit their talking points
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:58 PM
Apr 2023

Pretty close anyway.

34 essentially identical counts of the same charge - all of which would be misdemeanors that would be outside of the statute of limitations were it not for "with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime"

The indictment doesn't seem to expand on that, but it's almost certainly either campaign finance related (which will be tough to get past the argument that it's a federal crime that DOJ has declined to prosecute) or the intent to hide the dirty laundry from the electorate (which will be hard to prove over alternative explanations like avoiding his wife finding out or hurting his business).

In short - those Democratic analysts who said that the NY charges are likely the weakest of the possible sources of indictments - where probably correct. But the case will probably play out over many months and at least have an impact on the nomination process.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
54. They may be the weakest set, but I think there is a good likelihood of conviction
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 06:07 PM
Apr 2023

... and I think there will be convictions in other cases of his.

I read that under NY law there doesn't have to be proof of the other crime, just proof of intent to conceal it (defraud).

"Many months" ... I heard that his next court appearance is ... wait for it ... you will have to anyway ... December.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
55. Further, I think a case could be made, and should be clear law, that being Pres suspends not runs
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 06:13 PM
Apr 2023

I think there should be clear law laid down that being President or president suspends the clock on statute of limitation rather than lets it run out.

If you can't indict a sitting president, bogus theory anyway, but if you can't indict while sitting, then you must suspend the clock. The Presidency is not a license to escape prosecution, ... if truly nobody is above the law.

You can't have it both ways.

ImNotGod

(134 posts)
12. no reason to subject the former president to handcuffs or a mug shot.because he's special
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:53 PM
Apr 2023

now isn't that special

TexasTowelie

(112,412 posts)
17. So will he still have to provide the DNA sample?
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:06 PM
Apr 2023

It seems like a donation might have some bearing on the upcoming trial involving E. Jean Carroll.

screamcheese

(76 posts)
33. DNA and EJC
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:12 PM
Apr 2023

I read that the State of New York requires a DNA swab for their database upon arraignment. I wondered about the E. Jean Caroll case too. She claims to have a sample of his jizz on the dress she wore when he raped her. He has refused to provide DNA for comparison in this case . . .

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
18. No need to make this any more of a circus than it already is
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:14 PM
Apr 2023

and the sooner he's processed out, arraigned, and back to Bedbugminster (or wherever), the better for people who live and work in NYC.

It's not like the cops don't know what he looks like.

chowmama

(413 posts)
19. I guess I can do without the mug shot
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:14 PM
Apr 2023

As long as we get fingerprints and DNA.

We'll get the mug shot on the next one.

Hope22

(1,859 posts)
27. This mental mess will not think he has been charged!
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:42 PM
Apr 2023

I can hear him saying I didn’t see any handcuffs, what mug shot?. They didn’t even hit my head on the car door!

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
29. Oh, come on
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:56 PM
Apr 2023

They can toss him in a holding cell for a couple hours, can’t they? They don’t even have to take him to Rikers. Just Lock Him Up!

Beacool

(30,251 posts)
36. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:52 PM
Apr 2023

I read this on another site and it made me LOL.

"I never thought I’d say this, but I owe the GOP an apology. Thoughts and prayers do work."


D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
37. Thats OK, we still have the insurrection/document theft case, and the GA election fraud case
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:53 PM
Apr 2023

Maybe we'll get a mugshot in one of those.

LudwigPastorius

(9,167 posts)
38. No 24k gold handcuffs?
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:30 PM
Apr 2023

Bummer

We, as a society, need to rethink the deference we hold for former occupants of the White House.

There's a good line in Band of Brothers in which Major Winters says, "We salute the rank, not the man".

When you are done, and out, you're just another citizen. This must apply to the office of the president as well.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
39. No reason not to have a mug shot
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:31 PM
Apr 2023

I'll accept that he's not a flight risk, since he's a damned coward.

-- Mal

ShazzieB

(16,510 posts)
42. I wasn't expecting handcuffs, but I was really looking forward to that mug shot. 😕
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 12:05 AM
Apr 2023

Last edited Wed Apr 5, 2023, 04:00 AM - Edit history (1)

I didn't think about the grifting possibilities, though, so I guess this is for the best. Damnit.

Ray Bruns

(4,111 posts)
46. FIFY
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:13 AM
Apr 2023

“concluded that there was no reason to subject the former white rich president to handcuffs or a mug shot.”

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
48. Like everything else, I am sure he/they will mock up some real zingers to make liberals cry!
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:39 AM
Apr 2023

In their demented inane efforts to get jollies by causing pain to others?

They think we have a horrible border crisis with Mexico, meanwhile where is the video proof on the daily of this from actual journalists with integrity still intact? (still a thing?)



Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
51. Judge Merchan was previously
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:50 PM
Apr 2023

in charge of NY's mental health court prior to his current position per Adam Kaufman, former DA in Manhattan.

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