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BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:39 PM Apr 2023

Prosecutors detail Trump's alleged hush money 'scheme' to influence 2016 election

Last edited Tue Apr 4, 2023, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: ABC News

Former President Donald Trump engaged in a "scheme" to boost his election chances during the 2016 presidential race through a series of hush money payments made by others to help his campaign, and then "repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records" to conceal that criminal conduct, Manhattan prosecutors alleged as part of their charges against the former president Tuesday.

A "statement of facts" accompanying the 34-count indictment alleges that Trump discussed the scheme while he was in the Oval Office and made reimbursement payments to his lawyer for a year while he was in office.

Trump, who has denied all wrongdoing, entered a plea of not guilty to all 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to one of those 2016 hush money payments.

Prosecutors said the efforts began in 2015 with an agreement with the CEO of National Enquirer publisher AMI to suppress damaging information, and included payments to two women who claimed to have had long-denied affairs with Trump, as well as a former Trump Tower doorman who claimed to have a story about a child Trump had out of wedlock that was untrue.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-charged-34-felony-counts-falsifying-business-records/story?id=98330688



Copy of the indictment is here (PDF) - https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

Statement of Facts (PDF) - https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-SOF.pdf


Was streaming ABC and caught some snapshots of the event including going to the courtroom -





Article updated.

Original article/headline -

Trump charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records

Former President Donald Trump was formally charged in New York City Tuesday with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to 2016 hush money payments, according to the Manhattan district attorney's office.

Michael Cohen, Trump's former personal attorney, paid $130,000 to adult film actress Stormy Daniels in the closing days of the 2016 presidential campaign to keep her quiet about an affair she claimed to have had with Trump, which Trump has long denied.

Prosecutors with the Manhattan district attorney's office say that Trump illegally falsified business records when his reimbursement of the funds to Cohen was logged in the Trump Organization's books as a "monthly retainer" for Cohen's legal services. The former president, who has denied all wrongdoing, entered a plea of not guilty to all charges.

In a statement, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said that Trump was accused of "falsifying New York business records in order to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters before and after the 2016 election."
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Prosecutors detail Trump's alleged hush money 'scheme' to influence 2016 election (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 OP
He could get 4 years for each count. Please make it total 136 years. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #1
Likely to be concurrent. Many during presidency, so likely high end of 1-4 years Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #2
Well shouldn't it not be concurrent since he was a former President. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #3
I would think so (not cc). If I were judge I would only go two sequential, to make the point Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #5
dump is knee deep in horse dung CountAllVotes Apr 2023 #4
NY sentencing guidelines for first time non violent offender: probation. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2023 #15
Count the first count has first time. The remaining 33 as repeat offender. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #17
By time tRump is sentenced, he may have been convicted of other violations Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #18
Five people died because of the rump's plotting & incitement leading up to & on Jan 6. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #19
He and Fred were convicted in the housing discrimination case; largest in NYC history Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #29
That was a civil, not criminal case, IIRC. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2023 #31
I would have thought that housing discrimination was a violation of federal law? Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #43
It was a civil suit Fiendish Thingy Apr 2023 #44
Way above the average? bucolic_frolic Apr 2023 #6
I had posted a few times before and did confirm it today BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #8
Yes, separate, because intervening time gave him time to reflect & stop criming while prez. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #20
Well as some of the pundits quoted Bragg BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #22
Exactly. At each point he could have seen the light and broken the scheme. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #23
They all seem to be related as well Shermann Apr 2023 #10
Taking a necessary step (charging/prosecuting) and failing is not "backfiring" Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #24
Most of the counts were based on how they reimbursed BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #25
tRUMP was taught to be an over achiever, he always does the most, has the best..... TigressDem Apr 2023 #12
Was hoping for something juicer than 34 counts of.... KS Toronado Apr 2023 #7
The way Bragg charged this appears that he's opening the door ... Novara Apr 2023 #11
NY AG Tisha James has all the other oodles of fraudulent tax preps BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #13
He wasted no time leaving NYC Yonnie3 Apr 2023 #9
I watched that BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #14
He's posted that it will be at 8:15 Yonnie3 Apr 2023 #16
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Thanks! BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #21
He thinks he's still able to "address the nation" as I've seen it worded Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #26
Am watching Rachel (and the rest of the crew) BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #28
Same here. I watched MSNBC in my dentist's waiting room this afternoon Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #30
Am listening to Lawrence BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #32
I did hear Lawrence, was feeding my "new" cat Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #33
Hope your "new" kitteh is settling in okay BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #35
I basically just listened in my dentist's office Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #36
I had actually grabbed some screenshots of the still shots that I saved BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #37
TFG actually looked half asleep - but that was the MSNBC still shot on the screen Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #38
I figure he's on some potent tranquilizers BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #40
You're probably right, he looked half awake. And then he expected to "address the nation?" Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #41
The hard part is proving that all this was done specifically for the election. Kablooie Apr 2023 #27
I think the real issue is he made fraudulent entries on the company books TexasBushwhacker Apr 2023 #39
But that's only a misdemeanor. Kablooie Apr 2023 #42
'proven to have misreported the hush money specifically to win the election ' speak easy Apr 2023 #45
ENOUGH to have changed the outcome of the 2016 election, methinks, DemocraticPatriot Apr 2023 #34

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
2. Likely to be concurrent. Many during presidency, so likely high end of 1-4 years
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:51 PM
Apr 2023

I read on DU that 1-5 years is the range.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
3. Well shouldn't it not be concurrent since he was a former President.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:55 PM
Apr 2023

He should be treated differently for that. Rightttttttt?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
5. I would think so (not cc). If I were judge I would only go two sequential, to make the point
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:00 PM
Apr 2023

Emotionally, of course, I would go at 34 sequentially, in a New York minute, but we have experienced judges who do not do things in a New York minute.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
18. By time tRump is sentenced, he may have been convicted of other violations
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 06:19 PM
Apr 2023

Though they may have occurred after these events, so there is that.

bucolic_frolic

(55,137 posts)
6. Way above the average?
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:00 PM
Apr 2023

34 seems a lot. I don't follow these things but seems to me the usual is maybe 7 to 11 or 12. ENRON's Skilling was convicted of 12 counts plus 5 counts of false statements to auditors. He was sentenced to 168 months.

BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
8. I had posted a few times before and did confirm it today
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:22 PM
Apr 2023

but this was basically every "faked" record that justified a check that was written out, became a charge.

When he was reimbursing Cohen, he didn't do it in one big check, he did it "monthly" over about a year, with approx. the same amount of a check each month (~$30,000 each and the total had a little markup of "extra" at the end). Similar apparently happened with reimbursing Weisselberg. In both of those cases, it was associated with paying off women who had contact with 45. And what was also confirmed was the doorman who was also paid off. I remember a long time ago (I guess right around the 2016 election) some story about a "doorman" and Melania, if that is the same one!

BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
22. Well as some of the pundits quoted Bragg
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 06:33 PM
Apr 2023

doing it that way was part of a "scheme", and apparently care was taken to mask the purpose of the funds being paid out.

Shermann

(9,062 posts)
10. They all seem to be related as well
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:24 PM
Apr 2023

If he beats one, he beats them all. Then he looks like superman.

This may backfire.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
24. Taking a necessary step (charging/prosecuting) and failing is not "backfiring"
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 06:47 PM
Apr 2023

Nor is it a political prosecution.

If it was, and failed, then it could be deemed "backfiring" depending on other consequences.

But doing what is necessary and just and then failing is not "backfiring".

BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
25. Most of the counts were based on how they reimbursed
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 07:07 PM
Apr 2023

multiple people (Cohen, Weisselberg, Pecker, "Doorman" ) but instead of doing it as a lump sum to each party, it was done over time in "monthly payments". Each monthly payment (and record of such, falsely attributed to be for something else), became a "charge".

TigressDem

(5,126 posts)
12. tRUMP was taught to be an over achiever, he always does the most, has the best.....
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:34 PM
Apr 2023

He must have thought it was a competition.

So he had to out do every crooked President and he's been charged with falsifying tax records before.

SUCCESS!!!



But actually the REASON the counts are separated:

Is so that (in general) if a defendant had some expenses that were legit and only some were illegal, only the bad ones would be counted against them and that might reduce the severity of the crime and go towards a more lenient sentence.

Say for instance a regular employee got paid weekly for 3 years, but one time a "bonus" was given to him to go pay someone off, only the actual instance that was illegal and not all the other checks written for 3 years would be considered in this charge.


If on the other hand, the employee was hired for the specific purpose of doing this activity and every check had an overage that went somewhere illegal, each count could spell 4 years of jail time.


KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
7. Was hoping for something juicer than 34 counts of....
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:07 PM
Apr 2023

FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, well it's a start to his downfall.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
11. The way Bragg charged this appears that he's opening the door ...
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:30 PM
Apr 2023

... to potential federal charges. We'll see if the DOJ picks up the thread.

BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
13. NY AG Tisha James has all the other oodles of fraudulent tax preps
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:38 PM
Apr 2023

and real estate valuations, etc., and her case has a current trial date of Oct 2, 2023 I believe. Thing is, her case can only be civil (resulting in fines) as the NY AG can't do "criminal" cases directly, only "civil" (which is why the criminal fell on the Manhattan D.A.).

Yonnie3

(19,457 posts)
9. He wasted no time leaving NYC
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:23 PM
Apr 2023

His 757 took off at 4:21 ET. That was quick. Tail tucked between his legs?

I guess he has finally realized that his lifelong desire to be accepted in NYC upper class society is not going to happen.

I'm very curious to see what he says when he gets home but I'll only look for a summary. I don't need or want to listen to him.

BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
14. I watched that
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:41 PM
Apr 2023

Right from the courthouse to the airport and on the plane.

Will have to see if he actually does his presser (or gives some remarks) tonight or waits until tomorrow (to get the talking points together).

Yonnie3

(19,457 posts)
16. He's posted that it will be at 8:15
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:59 PM
Apr 2023

It was posted on "Truth" Social. I still snicker about that name.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
26. He thinks he's still able to "address the nation" as I've seen it worded
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:04 PM
Apr 2023

I would rather hear from any other former president - and it doesn't help that his attorneys (as Rachel is reading right now) still refer to this impeached disgraced criminal as "president."

BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
28. Am watching Rachel (and the rest of the crew)
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:07 PM
Apr 2023

as she read from the transcript. Will have to see if he does whatever remarks "live" or maybe records a video to air at the supposed scheduled time ( "8:15 pm" ) or later, where everything is coiffed and controlled.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
30. Same here. I watched MSNBC in my dentist's waiting room this afternoon
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:13 PM
Apr 2023

She usually has some cooking channel on, but she handed me the remote control, LOL. I filled her in and she was aggravated that there as no gag order. The judge gave him a warning, but we also heard that he not only threatened the DA, the judge, but also their wives - and children! He really is asking for it, still believes he's above the law.

BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
32. Am listening to Lawrence
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:24 PM
Apr 2023

talking about his sojourn through the 45 supporters outside the courthouse where he said one guy recognized him and started yelling at him and tried to get his buddies to do the same and didn't get any response. I laughed to myself saying that this is because all they do is watch Faux all day.

45 is about to speak now - CNN has it but thankfully MSNBC is ignoring it.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
33. I did hear Lawrence, was feeding my "new" cat
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:31 PM
Apr 2023

My friend had three who her daughter rescued, so gave me one at Christmas, think I mentioned that.

And thanks for the good news, just heard Rachel say that they don't broadcast "untruths," and I sure couldn't stand to hear him. I discussed with my dentist that it's been years since we got international news (Ukraine, earthquakes, elections), it's still TFG all the time!


BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
35. Hope your "new" kitteh is settling in okay
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:36 PM
Apr 2023


And I like how Rachel put it regarding their decision not to cover 45. Agree that they have given him too many hours of "free" campaign air time. Whenever anyone shows him, I hit the mute.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
36. I basically just listened in my dentist's office
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:45 PM
Apr 2023

I imagine you saw it, too - just a still pic of TFG looking bored (sitting with his table of attorneys) on most of the time - and she has a very large TV screen.

And this kitty is a real sweetheart, he was the only boy and very large (he just turned 5 last week) and my friend said he intimidated the littlest kitty so she talked her daughter into letting me take him. I'd made a fuss over him before since he looks so much like the kitty I knew and loved at my grandmother's house when I was really little. He really belonged to my Dad's youngest brother who had him since he was a kitten, but he was away at school at the time. The difference is that this cat likes me!


BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
37. I had actually grabbed some screenshots of the still shots that I saved
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:59 PM
Apr 2023

I did hear the young reporter from the Guardian - Hugo Lowell describe how fearful and depressed 45 looked and he had never seen him like that during all the time he has covered him.

And I bet your little guy is feeling the love! It might be easier at that age because he should already be litter trained and is not jumping and leaping around as much as a tiny kitten.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
38. TFG actually looked half asleep - but that was the MSNBC still shot on the screen
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:06 PM
Apr 2023

And they had reporters on the phone and others apparently in the studio - I've watched often enough that I could recognize voices, Ari Melber, Andrew Weissmann and Neal Katyal.

And this is not a little kitty, he must weigh almost as much as my dog, LOL. But he's settled in, has his "spots," though his first night was a nightmare, he hid and I couldn't find him! And it didn't help that my friend's husband initially put the wrong cat in my carrier by mistake!


BumRushDaShow

(169,755 posts)
40. I figure he's on some potent tranquilizers
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:22 PM
Apr 2023

and noticed the blip that MSNBC did show while indicating that they wouldn't be showing the rest, had him looking pretty lethargic.

And I have found that cats are good at "hiding" in the most inconvenient places when getting adjusted to a new home. I have had to dig both of my sisters' cats out of some wild places although the tuxie is good about not going under the sofa (at least so far).

And that's funny about the cat being almost the same size as your little doggy. I wouldn't be surprised if they start "sharing" food. My sis texted a pic of her cat eating out of her dog's bowl and mentioned how the dog will take the cat's food bowl and hide it under a table.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
41. You're probably right, he looked half awake. And then he expected to "address the nation?"
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:34 PM
Apr 2023

He rarely makes sense when he's in "top form" - for him...

And that cat hiding issue has happened before. I once "cat sat" for a friend who was away. Amos completely disappeared and I looked everywhere! My mother was terrified that he got out - but how?? And then at about 2am I finally found him, just sitting under a chair like he'd been there all night! And cats can squish into small spaces. That's where Nicky (that's his name) was, under a sofa with only an inch or two of clearance! We had to lift it to get him out. But fortunately he's discovered his favorite "spots," one of them is looking out at the back yard where we occasionally have wildlife (mostly bunnies) and now he has a light out there so he can watch them at night.

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
27. The hard part is proving that all this was done specifically for the election.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:06 PM
Apr 2023

Hiding hush money payments is probably a very common and largely ignored crime. I’m sure many rich famous people do it.
Trump has probably done it many times for reasons other than the election.

To get a conviction they must have written documentation clearly stating that Trump stated that wanted it done to help win the election. That, plus witnesses that heard directly from Trump that the election was the reason he wanted it done.

If witnesses or documents only say they assume that Trump wanted it to help the election, Trump will win.

It all depends on how direct Trump was in stating his reasons. Trump rarely states his true reasons specifically for protection in this kind of situation. He makes it clear why he wants something without saying it directly so he always has deniability. I’m kind of surprised that they have enough evidence to build this trial since Trump is so careful about not stating anything directly.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,202 posts)
39. I think the real issue is he made fraudulent entries on the company books
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:07 PM
Apr 2023

The hush money was a personal, not a business, expense. Payments for legitimate legal expenses are deductible for a business for tax purposes. Personal legal expenses are not. Add to that, if he paid Cohen with campaign dollars, that's REALLY illegal.

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
42. But that's only a misdemeanor.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:47 PM
Apr 2023

Fraudulent business entries in order to perpetrate another crime is what makes it a felony in New York.

The crime is that the hush money was paid so the sex incidents wouldn't hurt his election campaign which makes it a campaign donation.
The amount was above the allowed donation amount and wasn't reported as a campaign donation, both of which are crimes.

Only if Trump is proven to have misreported the hush money specifically to win the election does it become a felony.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
45. 'proven to have misreported the hush money specifically to win the election '
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 01:31 PM
Apr 2023

No. The misreporting took place after the election. Cohen paid the money out of his own pocket, on a promise to be reimbursed. What has to be proven, beyond reasonable doubt, is that this was a scheme to win the election, as opposed to say, a personal motive of keeping that information hidden from his wife and kids.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
34. ENOUGH to have changed the outcome of the 2016 election, methinks,
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:31 PM
Apr 2023

considering the tiny margin of a few thousand votes in the 3 critical states...

(Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania)

Not among the magat hardcores, but among independents with real family values who voted for him...


At least the chickens are finally coming home to roost....


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