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Jose Garcia

(3,399 posts)
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 05:20 PM Apr 2023

The First Natural Gas Ban in the U.S. Just Got Shot Down

Source: Gizmodo

When the city of Berkeley, California passed the country’s first ban on the use of natural gas in new buildings in the summer of 2019, environmental advocates celebrated the move as an important precedent for other cities to follow. And follow they did: There are now at least 99 similar ordinances in place across the country, the vast majority of which require appliances like stoves and heaters to be electric. But on Monday, a federal appeals court threw many of those bans into question.

A three-judge panel of the Ninth U.S Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco ruled that Berkeley’s ban is preempted by a federal law, and is therefore illegal. The decision marks a victory for the California Restaurant Association, the organization that sued the city shortly after it passed the ordinance banning the use of natural gas in new construction, claiming that such a measure would damage the restaurant industry.

“Many restaurants will be faced with the inability to make many of their products which require the use of specialized gas appliances to prepare, including for example flame-seared meats, charred vegetables, or the use of intense heat from a flame under a wok,” the lawsuit read.

But advocates argue that those concerns are dwarfed by a growing body of research that has found natural gas use in buildings not only releases huge quantities of greenhouse gasses, but also threatens people’s health. Studies have found that gas stoves are responsible for approximately 13 percent of childhood asthma cases in the U.S.; they also leak the potent greenhouse gas methane and the cancer-causing chemical benzene even when they’re turned off.

Read more: https://gizmodo.com/the-first-natural-gas-ban-in-the-u-s-just-got-shot-dow-1850352032

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The First Natural Gas Ban in the U.S. Just Got Shot Down (Original Post) Jose Garcia Apr 2023 OP
I switched to induction cooking, electric heat pump, electric dryer and water heater. Meadowoak Apr 2023 #1
My heat is by electric heat pump Warpy Apr 2023 #6
I have an LP gas heater for power outages, didn't need it at all last winter. Meadowoak Apr 2023 #7
good because they work in power outages reymega life Apr 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Old Crank Apr 2023 #11
My gas heater doesn't work in a power outage. Old Crank Apr 2023 #12
Restaurants could easily be exempted. truthisfreedom Apr 2023 #3
Hopefully we can get the idiotic phase-out stopped, too. The Mouth Apr 2023 #4
Strange... swong19104 Apr 2023 #5
Of course the ban on natural gas, (Methane) DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #8
All electric home (condo) here ... Flip3 Apr 2023 #9
The fossil fuel industry has been moniss Apr 2023 #10

Meadowoak

(6,600 posts)
1. I switched to induction cooking, electric heat pump, electric dryer and water heater.
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 05:37 PM
Apr 2023

Wouldn't go back to gas.

Warpy

(114,318 posts)
6. My heat is by electric heat pump
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 06:21 PM
Apr 2023

Everything else is electric. I'm screwn if the power goes out for more than a few days in winter, but I don't want to go back, either, although I do miss a gas cooktop for stir frying. That's all I miss it for.

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Old Crank

(6,528 posts)
12. My gas heater doesn't work in a power outage.
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 04:56 AM
Apr 2023

It won't run without the fan. My gas stove doesn't light unless I find some matches without electricity. Due to fire codes restaurants that are required to have exhaust hoods have interlick to keep the gas off unless the hood is running.

truthisfreedom

(23,502 posts)
3. Restaurants could easily be exempted.
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 05:55 PM
Apr 2023

As of 2022 CO2-generating fossil fuels were used to produce 60 percent of all electric power in the US. Switching to electric is great but only if we clean up electric power.

swong19104

(569 posts)
5. Strange...
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 06:07 PM
Apr 2023

that restaurants aren't advocating for open fire pits or using wood (some still do, I suppose: Il Forniao I think still uses wood for their wood-fired ovens for their pizzas). If the restaurant is making something that specifically requires gas or wood or coal or lasers, that should be in their application and an appropriate location will need to be found.

Otherwise, use what is offered.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
8. Of course the ban on natural gas, (Methane)
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 07:51 PM
Apr 2023

will have greater consequences, like not being able to fart, have landfills, oil wells, refineries, or sewage treatment plants.....

 

Flip3

(5 posts)
9. All electric home (condo) here ...
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 08:23 PM
Apr 2023

... so yay me I guess.

But I'm in Illinois, so that means really I'm mostly burning coal.

Really we need all around better infrastructure before having outright bans.

moniss

(8,539 posts)
10. The fossil fuel industry has been
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 01:04 AM
Apr 2023

very busy for many years writing into Federal law protections/exemptions for themselves.

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