Donald Trump seeks to move NY criminal case to federal court
Source: AP
NEW YORK (AP) Donald Trump s lawyers have asked a federal court to take control of his New York City criminal case. They argued Thursday that the former president cant be tried in the state court where his historic indictment was brought because the alleged conduct occurred while he was in office.
In court papers, Trumps lawyers said the criminal case involves important federal questions, including alleged violations of federal election law. Federal officers, including former presidents, have the right to be tried in federal court for charges arising from conduct performed while in office, the lawyers argued.
Echoing Trumps claims that his indictment is politically motivated, lawyer Susan Necheles urged the federal court to exert its protective jurisdiction and seize the case from the state courts where Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg routinely practices.
Such requests are rarely granted in criminal cases, although Trumps request is unprecedented because hes the first former president ever charged with a crime. This effort is extremely unlikely to succeed, said Rebecca Roiphe, a professor at New York Law School. Its not even clear that this would be a particularly effective delay tactic.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/trump-criminal-case-federal-court-ee982a5e7d5f4edef356fb2951ca5655
Ari Melber showed a graphic with excerpts from this article, during his show, and I was like huh? When was this? Searched and here we are.
Article updated.
Original article -
In court papers, Trumps lawyers said the criminal case involves important federal questions, including alleged violations of federal election law. Federal officers, including former presidents, have the right to be tried in federal court for charges arising from conduct performed while in office, the lawyers argued.
Such requests are rarely granted in criminal cases, although Trumps request is unprecedented because hes the first former president ever charged with a crime. This effort is extremely unlikely to succeed, said Rebecca Roiphe, a professor at New York Law School. Its not even clear that this would be a particularly effective delay tactic.
Moving the case could give Trump some advantages, such as a broader, more politically diverse jury pool but the fundamentals of the case would remain largely intact. The Manhattan district attorneys office would still prosecute him and state law would still apply, but with the oversight of a federal judge, said University of Iowa law professor Derek Muller.
gab13by13
(32,318 posts)It would be a huge win for Trump, moving to a pro-Magat area of New York.
rsdsharp
(12,002 posts)Hardly, pro MAGA.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)It's the same place with the same jury pool.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)of a federal judge presiding over a state case?
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Civil trials based on state law claims are removed to federal court every day, if certain conditions are met.
In this particular situation, there is a statute which permits certain criminal defendants to move their trials to federal court.
For a couple of reasons, this is likely to fail, but the statutes are here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1442
28 U.S. Code § 1442 - Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1455
28 U.S. Code § 1455 - Procedure for removal of criminal prosecutions
The acts alleged by the prosecution occurred in 2017, when Trump was president. They will argue that the underlying facts had something to do with him having been president, borrowing from the Garland DoJ brief in the Carroll case.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)I've never heard of this, but that's not unusual since the only time I have ever spent in court was for jury duty.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)If that Floridian scumbag won.
hlthe2b
(113,953 posts)So, no. I don't see this opening him up to a potential Federal pardon. I also don't think it is going to fly.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)sarcoux
(32 posts)Never bet on Trump winning any kind of court motion.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)The state court in Manhattan and the federal court in Manhattan draw the same people as jurors.
forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)hamsterjill
(17,576 posts)As expected.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)And have total control over jury selection, prosecutor and judge. After all, he is special.
hlthe2b
(113,953 posts)Ligyron
(8,006 posts)hlthe2b
(113,953 posts)But, yeah. A little gallows humor...
Botany
(77,319 posts)n/t
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)There is a federal law which permits removal of state criminal actions to federal court involving federal officers.
You will be reminded of it when the prosecutor of Bumfuck County Oklabamassippi files charges against Biden.
For a couple of reasons, this is likely to fail, but the statutes are here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1442
28 U.S. Code § 1442 - Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1455
28 U.S. Code § 1455 - Procedure for removal of criminal prosecutions
The acts alleged by the prosecution occurred in 2017, when Trump was president. They will argue that the underlying facts had something to do with him having been president, borrowing from the Garland DoJ brief in the Carroll case.
groundloop
(13,845 posts)IF he'd have the same jury pool, and IF there's not much chance of him getting a MAGAt judge, I don't see how moving to federal court benefits him...... or is this just another one of his stalling tactics?
Curtis
(349 posts)The article states:
"Federal officers, including former presidents, have the right to be tried in federal court for charges arising from conduct performed while in office, the lawyers argued."
How many of the crimes happened while in office? I thought this was all done before the election. Admittedly, I could be wrong as I don't quite remember the dates from the indictment
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)None of the crimes alleged have anything to do with what went on before he was in office.
He is being charged for falsification of records concerning the payments to Cohen in 2017, when he was in office.
onenote
(46,139 posts)He wasn't charged with a crime for paying money to Stormy. He was charged with 34 counts of falsifying records -- and in each instance, the alleged falsification took place in 2017 after he was in office.
Curtis
(349 posts)I couldn't remember if he crimed (I knew it was falsification of records) before or after the election
Ruby the Liberal
(26,664 posts)Zorro
(18,691 posts)MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)This is about the House being able to meddle in the case
JohnnyRingo
(20,870 posts)That seems to indicate they're scraping the bottom of the judicial barrel to find a loophole that can make it all go away.
He's presumably paying these attorneys, so they have to come up with something.
SeattleVet
(5,903 posts)Keep flapping those gums, idiot...and dig yourself even deeper into the bottom of the outhouse.
LTG
(216 posts)But werent a fair number of the charges based on felony violations of federal law, that are subject to federal or state jurisdiction. Werent some of those federal felonies used to bootstrap the state charges to felonies?
If the federal and state violations are that intertwined it might be enough to get it moved, considering the law on trying former government officials. Also not sure if that decision is subject to immediate review by federal appellate courts, including the Supreme Court.
All potential lengthy delays.
But then again my wife claims shes going to have Oh, I forgot carved on my headstone.
BumRushDaShow
(169,736 posts)where Michael Cohen was federally charged, pleaded guilty, and served time in prison for various crimes including some financial ones as well as campaign-related ones. 45 was on the other end of the payments given to Cohen to reimburse him for his dealing with Daniels, while attempting to mask it as "business expenses", among other things.
Speculating that if there are appeals, there may be thinking that this could be done as a rebuke of a federal judge and have it run up through the federal court system right to his hand-picked SCOTUS vs running it through the NY state court appeals process. These are still state charges that are not being charged federally.
And just as I was typing this, there was a radio report on this adding that by moving to federal court, the jury pool would be broader (within the jurisdiction of SDNY) vs the state court (where the pool would be limited to the one borough - Manhattan).
I.e., - this is SDNY's borders (which actually extend outside of NYC proper) - https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/about-district

And within that, you can see where Manhattan is within the area that SDNY covers and could imagine the "narrower" pool for Manhattan.