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BumRushDaShow

(169,736 posts)
Thu May 4, 2023, 06:46 PM May 2023

Donald Trump seeks to move NY criminal case to federal court

Source: AP

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump ’s lawyers have asked a federal court to take control of his New York City criminal case. They argued Thursday that the former president can’t be tried in the state court where his historic indictment was brought because the alleged conduct occurred while he was in office.

In court papers, Trump’s lawyers said the criminal case “involves important federal questions,” including alleged violations of federal election law. Federal officers, including former presidents, have the right to be tried in federal court for charges arising from “conduct performed while in office,” the lawyers argued.

Echoing Trump’s claims that his indictment is “politically motivated,” lawyer Susan Necheles urged the federal court to exert its “protective jurisdiction” and seize the case from the state courts where Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg routinely practices.

Such requests are rarely granted in criminal cases, although Trump’s request is unprecedented because he’s the first former president ever charged with a crime. “This effort is extremely unlikely to succeed,” said Rebecca Roiphe, a professor at New York Law School. “It’s not even clear that this would be a particularly effective delay tactic.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/trump-criminal-case-federal-court-ee982a5e7d5f4edef356fb2951ca5655



Ari Melber showed a graphic with excerpts from this article, during his show, and I was like huh? When was this? Searched and here we are.

Article updated.

Original article -

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump ’s lawyers have asked a federal court to take control of his New York City criminal case. They argued Thursday that the former president can’t be tried in the state court where his historic indictment was brought because the alleged conduct occurred while he was in office.

In court papers, Trump’s lawyers said the criminal case “involves important federal questions,” including alleged violations of federal election law. Federal officers, including former presidents, have the right to be tried in federal court for charges arising from “conduct performed while in office,” the lawyers argued.

Such requests are rarely granted in criminal cases, although Trump’s request is unprecedented because he’s the first former president ever charged with a crime. “This effort is extremely unlikely to succeed,” said Rebecca Roiphe, a professor at New York Law School. “It’s not even clear that this would be a particularly effective delay tactic.”

Moving the case could give Trump some advantages, such as a broader, more politically diverse jury pool — but the fundamentals of the case would remain largely intact. The Manhattan district attorney’s office would still prosecute him and state law would still apply, but with the oversight of a federal judge, said University of Iowa law professor Derek Muller.
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Donald Trump seeks to move NY criminal case to federal court (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2023 OP
The move would have huge implications, gab13by13 May 2023 #1
It would be tried in the Southern District of New York. rsdsharp May 2023 #4
Where only 4 of 41 judges are Trump appointees, incidentally Effete Snob May 2023 #20
It doesn't move to a different area Effete Snob May 2023 #10
I wonder if there is any legal precedent Mr.Bill May 2023 #2
It happens every day Effete Snob May 2023 #13
Thanks. Mr.Bill May 2023 #21
Also, as a federal charge, and conviction, wouldn't he then be open to a Pres. DeSantis pardon? LiberalLovinLug May 2023 #3
He'd still be charged on state charges by current prosecutor. Just a Federal judge overseeing. hlthe2b May 2023 #11
Yep and yep Effete Snob May 2023 #14
Jury shopping because he knows he will lose sarcoux May 2023 #5
The jury pool is no different Effete Snob May 2023 #15
I've read somewhere else that litigants cannot change state to federal "just cuz". n/t forgotmylogin May 2023 #23
Stall tactic hamsterjill May 2023 #6
He will want to be tried in the Federal Court in the Villages of Florida. Chainfire May 2023 #7
No. SDNY would have jurisdiction so this is nothing that will hand him a miracle. hlthe2b May 2023 #12
I think that might have been a joke. Ligyron May 2023 #16
Yes. I was only referring to a potential request for a new Federal jurisdiction to take the case. hlthe2b May 2023 #19
Sorry Donny these were state charges Botany May 2023 #8
Not relevant Effete Snob May 2023 #17
I'm curious how moving to federal court will benefit 45* groundloop May 2023 #28
While he was in Office? Curtis May 2023 #9
All of them Effete Snob May 2023 #18
All of the charges relate to actions taken in 2017 while he was in office onenote May 2023 #22
Thanks to both of you Curtis May 2023 #32
Did he finally realize the whole 'no Fed pardon for State crimes' thing? Ruby the Liberal May 2023 #24
I think a move would crack open a door for Gym Jordan to assert greater "oversight" Zorro May 2023 #25
i think you hit the nail on the head MadameButterfly May 2023 #26
Took them long enough to dream this one up. JohnnyRingo May 2023 #27
So, he's essentially saying,'These aren't state crimes - they're federal!' SeattleVet May 2023 #29
My memory is growing ever more faulty. LTG May 2023 #30
This is the Stormy Daniels-related case BumRushDaShow May 2023 #31

gab13by13

(32,318 posts)
1. The move would have huge implications,
Thu May 4, 2023, 06:48 PM
May 2023

It would be a huge win for Trump, moving to a pro-Magat area of New York.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
13. It happens every day
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:22 PM
May 2023

Civil trials based on state law claims are removed to federal court every day, if certain conditions are met.

In this particular situation, there is a statute which permits certain criminal defendants to move their trials to federal court.

For a couple of reasons, this is likely to fail, but the statutes are here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1442
28 U.S. Code § 1442 - Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1455
28 U.S. Code § 1455 - Procedure for removal of criminal prosecutions

The acts alleged by the prosecution occurred in 2017, when Trump was president. They will argue that the underlying facts had something to do with him having been president, borrowing from the Garland DoJ brief in the Carroll case.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
21. Thanks.
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:28 PM
May 2023

I've never heard of this, but that's not unusual since the only time I have ever spent in court was for jury duty.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,685 posts)
3. Also, as a federal charge, and conviction, wouldn't he then be open to a Pres. DeSantis pardon?
Thu May 4, 2023, 06:55 PM
May 2023

If that Floridian scumbag won.

hlthe2b

(113,953 posts)
11. He'd still be charged on state charges by current prosecutor. Just a Federal judge overseeing.
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:20 PM
May 2023

So, no. I don't see this opening him up to a potential Federal pardon. I also don't think it is going to fly.

 

sarcoux

(32 posts)
5. Jury shopping because he knows he will lose
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:00 PM
May 2023

Never bet on Trump winning any kind of court motion.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
15. The jury pool is no different
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:23 PM
May 2023

The state court in Manhattan and the federal court in Manhattan draw the same people as jurors.
 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
7. He will want to be tried in the Federal Court in the Villages of Florida.
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:07 PM
May 2023

And have total control over jury selection, prosecutor and judge. After all, he is special.

hlthe2b

(113,953 posts)
19. Yes. I was only referring to a potential request for a new Federal jurisdiction to take the case.
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:26 PM
May 2023

But, yeah. A little gallows humor...

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
17. Not relevant
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:25 PM
May 2023

There is a federal law which permits removal of state criminal actions to federal court involving federal officers.

You will be reminded of it when the prosecutor of Bumfuck County Oklabamassippi files charges against Biden.

For a couple of reasons, this is likely to fail, but the statutes are here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1442
28 U.S. Code § 1442 - Federal officers or agencies sued or prosecuted

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1455
28 U.S. Code § 1455 - Procedure for removal of criminal prosecutions

The acts alleged by the prosecution occurred in 2017, when Trump was president. They will argue that the underlying facts had something to do with him having been president, borrowing from the Garland DoJ brief in the Carroll case.

groundloop

(13,845 posts)
28. I'm curious how moving to federal court will benefit 45*
Thu May 4, 2023, 08:22 PM
May 2023

IF he'd have the same jury pool, and IF there's not much chance of him getting a MAGAt judge, I don't see how moving to federal court benefits him...... or is this just another one of his stalling tactics?

Curtis

(349 posts)
9. While he was in Office?
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:09 PM
May 2023

The article states:

"Federal officers, including former presidents, have the right to be tried in federal court for charges arising from “conduct performed while in office,” the lawyers argued."

How many of the crimes happened while in office? I thought this was all done before the election. Admittedly, I could be wrong as I don't quite remember the dates from the indictment

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
18. All of them
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:26 PM
May 2023

None of the crimes alleged have anything to do with what went on before he was in office.

He is being charged for falsification of records concerning the payments to Cohen in 2017, when he was in office.

onenote

(46,139 posts)
22. All of the charges relate to actions taken in 2017 while he was in office
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:30 PM
May 2023

He wasn't charged with a crime for paying money to Stormy. He was charged with 34 counts of falsifying records -- and in each instance, the alleged falsification took place in 2017 after he was in office.

Curtis

(349 posts)
32. Thanks to both of you
Fri May 5, 2023, 05:52 AM
May 2023

I couldn't remember if he crimed (I knew it was falsification of records) before or after the election

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
26. i think you hit the nail on the head
Thu May 4, 2023, 08:10 PM
May 2023

This is about the House being able to meddle in the case

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
27. Took them long enough to dream this one up.
Thu May 4, 2023, 08:21 PM
May 2023

That seems to indicate they're scraping the bottom of the judicial barrel to find a loophole that can make it all go away.

He's presumably paying these attorneys, so they have to come up with something.

SeattleVet

(5,903 posts)
29. So, he's essentially saying,'These aren't state crimes - they're federal!'
Fri May 5, 2023, 12:39 AM
May 2023

Keep flapping those gums, idiot...and dig yourself even deeper into the bottom of the outhouse.

LTG

(216 posts)
30. My memory is growing ever more faulty.
Fri May 5, 2023, 01:41 AM
May 2023

But weren’t a fair number of the charges based on felony violations of federal law, that are subject to federal or state jurisdiction. Weren’t some of those federal felonies used to bootstrap the state charges to felonies?

If the federal and state violations are that intertwined it might be enough to get it moved, considering the law on trying former government officials. Also not sure if that decision is subject to immediate review by federal appellate courts, including the Supreme Court.

All potential lengthy delays.

But then again my wife claims she’s going to have “Oh, I forgot” carved on my headstone.

BumRushDaShow

(169,736 posts)
31. This is the Stormy Daniels-related case
Fri May 5, 2023, 05:00 AM
May 2023

where Michael Cohen was federally charged, pleaded guilty, and served time in prison for various crimes including some financial ones as well as campaign-related ones. 45 was on the other end of the payments given to Cohen to reimburse him for his dealing with Daniels, while attempting to mask it as "business expenses", among other things.

Speculating that if there are appeals, there may be thinking that this could be done as a rebuke of a federal judge and have it run up through the federal court system right to his hand-picked SCOTUS vs running it through the NY state court appeals process. These are still state charges that are not being charged federally.

And just as I was typing this, there was a radio report on this adding that by moving to federal court, the jury pool would be broader (within the jurisdiction of SDNY) vs the state court (where the pool would be limited to the one borough - Manhattan).

I.e., - this is SDNY's borders (which actually extend outside of NYC proper) - https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/about-district



And within that, you can see where Manhattan is within the area that SDNY covers and could imagine the "narrower" pool for Manhattan.

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