Worries grow about Ukraine nuke plant amid evacuations
Source: ABC News
Anxiety about the safety of Europe's largest nuclear power plant grew Sunday after the Moscow-installed governor of the Ukrainian region where it is located ordered civilian evacuations, including from the city where most plant workers live.
International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Rafael Grossi has spent months trying to persuade Russian and Ukrainian officials to establish a security zone around the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant to prevent the war from causing a radiation leak.
The evacuations ordered by the Russia-backed governor of Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia province, Yegeny Balitsky, raised fears that fighting in the area would intensify. Balitsky on Friday ordered civilians to leave 18 Russian-occupied communities, including Enerhodar, home to most of the plant staff.
More than 1,500 people had been evacuated from two unspecified cities in the region as of Sunday, Balitsky said. The Ukrainian General Staff confirmed the evacuation of Enerhodar was underway.
Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nuclear-watchdog-growingly-worried-ukraine-plant-safety-99148990
Shipwack
(2,171 posts)The Russians keep rolling the dice, and so far nothing has gone wrong (yet).
What I want to know, are they hoping to trigger a catastrophe (which,depending on the weather, might affect them too), or just to panic everyone?
C Moon
(12,221 posts)In the future, I'm sure civilization will be shocked we even considered them. Or more like, pissed off at us for considering them.
Happy Hoosier
(7,393 posts)Frankly, at this point, we either rembrace nuclear power or the planet cooks. It might already be too late.
This one point on which the "left" was mistaken IMO.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)Talk about clean energy vs what are we going to do with a gazillion spend radioactive fuel rods.
Happy Hoosier
(7,393 posts)1) Wind farms are not yet in a position to replace fossil fuels. Nuclear plants ARE.
2) The material in spent fuel rods do not become more radioactive as they age. The Uranium they were made from is a natural material. We don't make it.
There are a lot of safe ways to store waste.
There is no safe way to experience the climate change we are about to experience.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)Corporations will no longer put their money into nuclear - too long to build, too many regulations and 5 times as expensive as wind/solar with less MW than wind farms.
What! Uranium is natural - BUT -its not natural to have huge hills of uranium pilings on Navajo land escalating rates of cancer. Ask all the Navajo people living near abandoned uranium mines. (Uranium mines the government never cleaned up)!!!
CHURCH ROCK, N.M. On April 22, Navajo uranium and contamination victims voiced concerns to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission over the devastating health and environmental impacts caused by federal uranium mining. https://www.nhonews.com/news/2022/apr/26/navajo-residents-affected-uranium-share-stories-us/
Denis Flory, a top safety official at the agency, pointed out that all used nuclear fuel contains plutonium. It forms naturally within conventional uranium fuel as the uranium is bombarded by neutrons.https://www.npr.org/2011/03/16/134600825/plutonium-in-fuel-rods-cause-for-concern
PLEASE - tell me one country in the whole world which has a long term safety storage for spent rods??????
Happy Hoosier
(7,393 posts)Load management is not something we do well right now. Battery tech just isnt there yet. I wish it was but its not.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)The project is made up of two arms: SunZia Wind and SunZia Transmission.
SunZia Wind is the largest wind project in the Western Hemisphere. The 3,500-megawatt (MW) wind farm sprawls across New Mexicos counties of Torrance, Lincoln, and San Miguel.
SunZia Transmission is a 550-mile ± 525 kV high-voltage direct current (HVDC) transmission line between central New Mexico and south-central Arizona. It has the capacity to transport 3,000 MW of clean energy.
SunZia Transmission will enable SunZia Wind to supply customers in Arizona and California during early evening hours when demand is high but the available renewable energy supply is low. Its going to use the same corridor as the Western Spirit Transmission Line.
https://electrek.co/2023/05/04/us-largest-clean-energy-infrastructure-project-sunzia/
madville
(7,412 posts)For reliable 24/7 energy.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)And we dont have to deal with radioactive fuel rods till the end of time.
A few yrs & 8 billion dollars to build SUN ZIA Wind in NM = 3500 MW
Over 10 yrs to build latest 2 reactors in Georgia - 34 million = 1600 MW
https://patternenergy.com/pattern-energy-acquires-sunzia-transmission-project/
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)It's called 'capacity' for a reason, and it's very different from power plants that run on some type of fuel. On average across a year-long period, it's probably going to be producing, like, 1600MW, if I were to guess based on other numbers I've seen.
When the wind is blowing 0 mph, then you need a coal or NG-fired power plant of similar capacity nearby. Solar/Wind power essentially cements in a perpetual reliance on Fossil Fuels. Sure it cuts down on how much coal/NG you use so that's helpful, but we'll never get off of them. Why do you think FF companies are often pushing Wind/Solar?
From the nuclear plant, the 1600MW is available on demand with no FF-powered backup. Virtually carbon-free after it's built.
BTW, air pollution from FF use is killing many, many thousands of people across the world each year. When was the last time you heard of anyone positively dying from their exposure to radioactivity outside of Chernobyl in 1986? Positively from exposure to nuclear waste ... I know of 0, world-wide. There's also a lot of research being done on cutting down and/or recycling the waste using different types of reactors, and developing nuclear technology that relies on fuels that don't take so long to break down/become largely unhazardous. And plant designs that are much cheaper to build.
Generally nukes are more expensive to build in the short term, and take longer, yes. But once you figure in all the costs of the externalities of running a solar/wind farm in the form of air pollution health damage/deaths and climate change damage/deaths from their FF-powered brethren that MUST EXIST for them to be viable?
We might find the numbers to be closer than we think.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)Rarely a day when the wind isnt blowing.
3500 MW is a big deal. A local wind farm in Willard NM produces 100 MW and that powers 25,000 homes. I know a lot about it because the main problem I see is the placing of the huge transmission lines. In fact, our local activist group (Resistiendo) has had to fight back on our small town becoming a utility corridor. Still better than having a nuclear reactor around here and having to pop iodine pills.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)You also have to factor in how LARGE of an area that farm is spread across, and the fact that there a limited viable locations in the country, and the fact that with every inch of cable the power has to cross, there is a power loss to heat. The % of the 'production' of the 3500MW by the time it reaches AZ is going to be a small fraction of what was produced at the source turbine. And it's the power available at the consumer location that's really what matters.
And all along that line, there must also be FF-powered plants to supplement power when output from the wind is low.
A entire nuclear plant can be built in area that's measured in square acres, and not very many of them. And if we continue to advance the tech to make them safer far enough, they could be built in a LOT more places that are physically closer to consumers, cutting down on transmission costs to the energy net at point of consumption. And requires no FF backups.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)3000 MW capacity. No one is saying its always going to be producing at full capacity. It will have an amazing 900 turbines. Im not happy about all the energy produced in NM going mostly to California & Arizona. I assume they will make more money - after all they are huge corporations. Unfortunately, I have a 115 kV transmission line going through my property taking wind energy to Arizona. Ironic, as I used to be totally off grid.
Looks like NM plans to be a huge exporter of wind energy along with oil. Weekly, huge trucks with turbine blades come through our small town.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)It's just that it perpetuates the need to burn FF's when it's not producing as much power as is needed is all. Thanks for the chat. Didn't know it's a DC transmission line, that does cut the power loss over distance.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)Greg Jaczko, head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission under Barack Obama and a lecturer at Princeton, told the Guardian the carbon-free energy future will be exclusively non-nuclear.
The nuclear industry failed to become a viable solution for carbon-free electricity generation, he said, noting that of four Obama-era approved plants, two have been abandoned and two are behind schedule and over-budget.
Nuclear is an expensive way to generate carbon-free electricity when there are viable new alternatives. Its cheaper today to build out renewable generation than it is to continue to operate 40-year-old nuclear power plants.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/new-york-nuclear-power-indian-point
Bayard
(22,158 posts)Even if it also kills thousands of his own people. And he wouldn't be directly retaliated against like he would with a direct strike.
bluestarone
(17,055 posts)The testers will be of no use. POOTY will LIE, and we know it!