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highplainsdem

(61,888 posts)
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:50 AM May 2023

Microsoft ramps up A.I. game with bet on startup that helps coding novices build apps

Source: CNBC

LONDON — Microsoft invested an undisclosed sum into Builder.ai, a startup that helps companies make applications without any coding experience, doubling down on its artificial intelligence efforts.

Founded in 2017 and headquartered in London, Builder.ai falls into the camp of startups that make so-called “no-code” and “low-code” platforms. Its software allows anyone from tech-shy artists looking to sell their work online to design professionals with limited programming experience to develop and manage apps.

Through a strategic partnership, Microsoft plans to integrate Builder.ai’s own AI assistant Natasha into its Teams video and chat software to let customers build business apps within the platform. Builder.ai will also enhance Natasha by leveraging Microsoft’s AI algorithms to make it sound more human, the company said.

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“We’re all convinced that the future of software is going to be where the customer doesn’t need to be technical,” Duggal told CNBC in an interview. “What we’re really doing is bringing together a world where customers are able to build software, run software, host software.”

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Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/10/microsoft-ramps-up-ai-game-with-bet-on-no-code-startup-builderai.html



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Microsoft ramps up A.I. game with bet on startup that helps coding novices build apps (Original Post) highplainsdem May 2023 OP
Builder would have been bought by someone else if it wasn't Microsoft. tinrobot May 2023 #1
Sounds good so long as it isn't at the detriment of experienced programmers. Oneironaut May 2023 #2
The purpose is to replace most programmers. highplainsdem May 2023 #3
That too. 😀 Oneironaut May 2023 #4
Glad I got out mbusby May 2023 #9
The purpose is to eliminate the drudgery of typing code by hand. tinrobot May 2023 #10
Meh. It never bothered me tbh Oneironaut May 2023 #14
It wont. honest.abe May 2023 #11
This Oneironaut May 2023 #15
Programmers and Software Engineers are two very different things Yavin4 May 2023 #13
+1 honest.abe May 2023 #17
Every super-invested tech makes this promise. NullTuples May 2023 #5
I remember when block-chain was the next big thing. Oneironaut May 2023 #16
Hey Natasha, how many people with computer science degrees will this hurt? Prairie_Seagull May 2023 #6
Nobody wants AI to teach how to code. eggplant May 2023 #7
AI-based coding will not interfere with people who want to become professional coders. eggplant May 2023 #8
People who want to build applications learn to code - it's not rocket science. oioioi May 2023 #12

tinrobot

(12,050 posts)
1. Builder would have been bought by someone else if it wasn't Microsoft.
Wed May 10, 2023, 12:01 PM
May 2023

Glad Zuck or Elon didn't grab it.

Microsoft's stock is up today. Good decision for them.

Oneironaut

(6,288 posts)
2. Sounds good so long as it isn't at the detriment of experienced programmers.
Wed May 10, 2023, 12:09 PM
May 2023

Microsoft has a tendency to make their UIs utterly excruciating when trying to make them friendly to new users. It’s kind of like, “I know you’re trying to access something, but, we’re assumed you’re a complete novice, so, we’ll make it utterly hopeless to actually get there.”

tinrobot

(12,050 posts)
10. The purpose is to eliminate the drudgery of typing code by hand.
Wed May 10, 2023, 02:00 PM
May 2023

It's not fun, which is why most tech companies already outsource a lot of that work.

You don't want an engineer making 6 figures wasting time typing out "if/else" statements.

Oneironaut

(6,288 posts)
14. Meh. It never bothered me tbh
Thu May 11, 2023, 01:58 PM
May 2023

In high level languages a lot is watered down and simplified anyways. I personally found writing code / software dev / software engineering to be more about trying to design things well with user experience in mind than drudgery.

99% if the time I’ve spend on apps is designing, tweaking based on user feedback, and, debugging. It would be pretty cool if AI could help, with those things, but, it would need to be really smart and savvy beyond a point it is at right now.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
11. It wont.
Wed May 10, 2023, 09:08 PM
May 2023

I am an experienced programmer and I have also worked quite a bit with AI programming systems and I feel zero threat from AI programing bots. In fact I feel AI tools will actually make me more productive and more valuable. There might be some effect on low level junior programmers or outsourced programming work but it wont replace "most programmers".

Oneironaut

(6,288 posts)
15. This
Thu May 11, 2023, 02:02 PM
May 2023

I would be surprised if AI completely replaces developers in the next 30 years, even. I think your last sentence is extremely accurate - outsourced junior .NET roles might be affected, but, other things require more nuance.

I can see AI being at best a coding aid for a long while. For example, it would be really nice to have AI show you code examples for different problems you’re having, like you see now from Stack Overflow and stuff like that. That’s a far cry from taking over the entire development pipeline though. Lol

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
13. Programmers and Software Engineers are two very different things
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:55 AM
May 2023

Last edited Thu May 11, 2023, 06:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Programming (writing code) is like being able to play the piano really well. Software Engineering is being able to compose a symphony.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
5. Every super-invested tech makes this promise.
Wed May 10, 2023, 01:12 PM
May 2023

Meanwhile, with AI much of the output is necessarily garbage and unless things change drastically always will be, the output is not legally eligible for trademark due to not being made by a human, and at best AI will become - in my opinion - no more than a tool for people who still need to know what they are doing.

Will companies use it to make cheap copy or graphics to avoid hiring an artist or writer? Sure, but they would've avoided hiring one anyway and used a non-qualified person to create equally bad output.

AI has already been removing jobs in areas such as call centers and underpaid interns, but nobody much cared.

Finally, if you want to get to the root of all of this "gotta make it even cheaper", just look to private equity companies taking over anything everything with a popular brand that has any financial vulnerability and then cheapening the product while they extract all value to give to their investors. Without them, creative AI would barely even have a market.

Oneironaut

(6,288 posts)
16. I remember when block-chain was the next big thing.
Thu May 11, 2023, 02:12 PM
May 2023

People chase trends to an annoying extent and get a little over-excited. I’m glad the “ChatGPT!!1!” obsession is starting to die down.

Yes, both will probably add challenges and improvements to our lives we’ve never seen before. However, I always love the combinations of doomsdayers and overly eager futurists telling us how “In 5 years we’ll all be cyborgs!!1!” and crap like that. Lol

eggplant

(4,181 posts)
7. Nobody wants AI to teach how to code.
Wed May 10, 2023, 01:47 PM
May 2023

I see "no-code" AI systems to be most effective as fancy Siri/Google/Alexa engines, where you just tell it what you want and it does it, with ever increasing task complexity. The irony here is that you still have to tell it what you want each time. AI could, over time, learn your predilections and make this process simpler (assuming you tend to want the same thing each time). But AI will be replacing the programming aspect, not assisting with humans with writing code.

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I don't want the chef to show me how to make it. I just want to eat it.

tl,dr; "a world where customers are able to build software" will never happen. A world where customers can just ask for what they want and be given it is much more likely.

eggplant

(4,181 posts)
8. AI-based coding will not interfere with people who want to become professional coders.
Wed May 10, 2023, 01:51 PM
May 2023

That said, it is hubris to believe that AI-based coding won't be able to replace human coding at ever increasing levels of complexity. We're right on that cusp today. As AI learns to improve its results, it will quickly learn to build systems that mere humans can't comprehend, yet still accomplish the given task.

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