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BumRushDaShow

(169,760 posts)
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:39 AM May 2023

New House bill would block pay for members of Congress if the U.S. defaults

Source: NBC News

WASHINGTON — A bipartisan bill set to be unveiled Thursday by Reps. Abigail Spanberger, D-Va., and Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., would block members of Congress from getting paid if the U.S. enters debt default or if the government shuts down.

The No Pay for Congress During Default or Shutdown Act, shared in advance with NBC News, would withhold lawmakers' pay for the duration of a debt limit breach or lapse in federal funding, an attempt to motivate legislators to prevent either situation.

The bill comes amid growing fears that the divided Congress may not meet the June 1 deadline set by the Treasury Department to raise the debt limit or risk a catastrophic default on U.S. obligations. And the proposal, from two politically vulnerable members in competitive districts, represents a populist move to channel voter anger toward Congress, which is strong among both parties’ bases.

"If Congress can’t fulfill basic obligations tied to the strength and security of our country, lawmakers should not be rewarded with our salaries until we do our jobs," Spanberger said.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-bill-block-pay-congress-us-hits-debt-ceiling-rcna84973

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New House bill would block pay for members of Congress if the U.S. defaults (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2023 OP
Agreed! 2naSalit May 2023 #1
Block pay, does that mean they will eventually receive it? Perhaps forfeit pay would be better. TheBlackAdder May 2023 #7
Actually... 2naSalit May 2023 #8
Love your idea. KS Toronado May 2023 #9
Sounds good. Payment for services rendered. No service? no pay. mitch96 May 2023 #16
Actually, members of congress have not had a pay increase since 2009. bottomofthehill May 2023 #15
Okay, I'll give you that... 2naSalit May 2023 #19
I actually think Members are under paid for what they do. bottomofthehill May 2023 #20
Absolutely...do your job...get paid... MiHale May 2023 #2
Performance art...to cover for fact it's all about refusing to pay the credit card. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #6
The millionaire club won't get paid rpannier May 2023 #3
I'm Faux pas May 2023 #4
Well, if the government can't pay it's debts Farmer-Rick May 2023 #5
There's few where that would be a hardship Bayard May 2023 #10
The staff actually does not get paid in a shutdown. bottomofthehill May 2023 #21
There goes an interesting question. So at present, Congress would get paid during a shutdown. BUT 3Hotdogs May 2023 #11
Congress critters likely are paid via auto direct deposit so no processing needed. n/t napi21 May 2023 #22
Isn't SS on auto? Medicare/aid can't be because it varies by service rendered. 3Hotdogs May 2023 #23
Symbolic only DownriverDem May 2023 #12
The House, Senate, SCOTUS and White House relayerbob May 2023 #13
The House, Senate, SCOTUS and White House .... relayerbob May 2023 #14
This is stupid. James48 May 2023 #17
You know how Congress BumRushDaShow May 2023 #18
Should be a law to stop their pay/health benefits two months ahead of a default. Captain Zero May 2023 #24
Works for me FakeNoose May 2023 #25
If you really want to hurt them ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #26
Most of their money comes from dark money PACs BumRushDaShow May 2023 #27

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
1. Agreed!
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:48 AM
May 2023

Hope it passes. They need some oversight in pay conditions, they also seem to give themselves a raise every year or two yet they can't raise the paltry minimum wage to anything reasonable for workers.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
7. Block pay, does that mean they will eventually receive it? Perhaps forfeit pay would be better.
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:32 AM
May 2023

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
8. Actually...
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:37 AM
May 2023

Yes, that would be better. Docking of pay. I also think their after serving in office benefits should be weighed against how well they represented their constituents.

mitch96

(15,804 posts)
16. Sounds good. Payment for services rendered. No service? no pay.
Thu May 18, 2023, 11:54 AM
May 2023

Although most in congress and senate are wealthy and could ride it out no problem.
That begs the question, who has the lowest net worth?
m

bottomofthehill

(9,390 posts)
15. Actually, members of congress have not had a pay increase since 2009.
Thu May 18, 2023, 11:03 AM
May 2023

Not only do they not give themselves an increase every couple of years, they are exempt from the annual cost of living that most Federal Employees get automatically. By the way, they don’t get free healthcare and retirement at full pay either. There are a lot of misconceptions about congressional pay.

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
19. Okay, I'll give you that...
Thu May 18, 2023, 01:31 PM
May 2023

But I do know that, though HC is not free, the coverage is pretty damned good and within their means to cover premiums.

Either way, they are paid handsomely, with plenty of perks, to do their jobs and they have shown time and again in many cases that they cannot be trusted. In these times, turns out it's perhaps .01% of the Democratic party members are untrustworthy while 100% of the Republican party has shown they are not only untrustworthy, they have proven they want to destroy the country and at least two thirds of the population.

Their pay should be measured against their performance in the doing the peoples' work which they are hired to do.

Anything more and it starts looking too much like an aristocratic corps which they now appear to think they are.

bottomofthehill

(9,390 posts)
20. I actually think Members are under paid for what they do.
Thu May 18, 2023, 01:54 PM
May 2023

A member of congress earns $172,400 per year. Below are the agency’s with federal employees making more than 200,000 dollars a year. You can think what you want about the quality of some members of congress work, but they are well underpaid for what they do. Members of congress get the same benefits as any other FERS employee.

Agency Name
2,581 SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
2,505 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
1,332 FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION
699 DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY
237 FEDERAL HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY
236 COMMODITY FUTURES TRADING COMMISSION
208 FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
164 DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS
118 NATIONAL CREDIT UNION ADMINISTRATION
118 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
99 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
52 FARM CREDIT ADMINISTRATION
13 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
11 DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
8 NAT AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
8 PRESIDIO TRUST
8 DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
7 DEPARTMENT OF STATE
6 FARM CREDIT SYSTEM INSURANCE CORPORATION
4 ARMED FORCES RETIREMENT HOME

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
6. Performance art...to cover for fact it's all about refusing to pay the credit card.
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:30 AM
May 2023

Of course NBC applauds the artists, another corporation that wants you to avoid knowing that it’s always Republicans who threaten default…always and only.

rpannier

(24,924 posts)
3. The millionaire club won't get paid
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:01 AM
May 2023

Won't move the needle on the vast majority of them
Best guess, the work requirement b.s. will be included along with other regressive ideas

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
5. Well, if the government can't pay it's debts
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:23 AM
May 2023

It can't pay government employees either. So, the Congress should not get paid just like all the other debt holders.

Bayard

(29,693 posts)
10. There's few where that would be a hardship
Thu May 18, 2023, 10:02 AM
May 2023

But if their staff aren't being paid--that's a different story. They can't function without the helper bees.

bottomofthehill

(9,390 posts)
21. The staff actually does not get paid in a shutdown.
Thu May 18, 2023, 01:56 PM
May 2023

We have never had a default so I can’t speak to that.

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
11. There goes an interesting question. So at present, Congress would get paid during a shutdown. BUT
Thu May 18, 2023, 10:33 AM
May 2023

SS and Medicare-caid wouldn't because there would be nobody to write the checks.

Well, who would be processing the Congress's checks?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
22. Congress critters likely are paid via auto direct deposit so no processing needed. n/t
Thu May 18, 2023, 10:33 PM
May 2023

relayerbob

(7,428 posts)
13. The House, Senate, SCOTUS and White House
Thu May 18, 2023, 10:59 AM
May 2023

Should be the first things on the do not pay list list, and last to get turned back on, in the event of default. And NO back pay or expenses from that period allowed.

relayerbob

(7,428 posts)
14. The House, Senate, SCOTUS and White House ....
Thu May 18, 2023, 11:00 AM
May 2023

Should be the first things on the do not pay list list, and last to get turned back on, in the event of default. And NO back pay or expenses from that period allowed.

James48

(5,215 posts)
17. This is stupid.
Thu May 18, 2023, 12:36 PM
May 2023

Doesn’t anyone recognize that if the government defaults-
N-O-B-O-D-Y that gets a government check gets paid?

Not Congress.
Not the Army.
Not social security recipients.
Not disabled veterans.


No one can get paid if the government defaults.

BumRushDaShow

(169,760 posts)
18. You know how Congress
Thu May 18, 2023, 01:04 PM
May 2023

has "stopped the clock" over weekends when they are finishing up appropriations that have gone beyond the previous appropriations expiration date?

Riddick’s Tome Unlocks Quirky Senate Powers

By Niels Lesniewski
Posted October 11, 2011 at 5:37pm




In the 19th century, whenever the Senate ran dangerously short on time to pass critical legislation, Isaac Bassett would extend a pole to the official chamber clock and perform a feat most mortals only dream of. As the assistant doorkeeper from 1861 until his death in 1895, he would push back the hands of the clock at the request of the vice president to forestall adjournment.

The task stirred a mixture of awe and consternation in him. “I wish it distinctly understood that I never did so until I received the order from the vice president or president pro tem of the Senate,” Bassett wrote in personal notes, now recorded on a Senate Historical Office website.

“A number of the most important appropriations bills have been saved and an extra session avoided,” Bassett wrote. “I have nothing to say whether it was constitutional or not, but never in my life while in the service of the Senate (have I) disobeyed an order from the vice president.”

Both chambers of Congress have procedural tricks that allow the majority to circumvent dead ends and strengthen its position. But while the Speaker can pluck his out of thin air, the Senate is beholden to its own restrictive rules and precedents, all of which have been recorded in the 1,608-page tome Riddick’s Senate Procedure.

(snip)

https://rollcall.com/2011/10/11/riddicks-tome-unlocks-quirky-senate-powers/


IOW, they can reference a manufactured trick when needed, and the Senate has actually codified theirs.



Riddick's (Rules for) Senate Procedure

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
24. Should be a law to stop their pay/health benefits two months ahead of a default.
Fri May 19, 2023, 11:45 AM
May 2023

They'd come to their senses then.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
26. If you really want to hurt them
Fri May 19, 2023, 05:52 PM
May 2023

Then shut down their ability to receive any campaign contributions until the default is lifted.

That's where the real money is.

BumRushDaShow

(169,760 posts)
27. Most of their money comes from dark money PACs
Fri May 19, 2023, 05:57 PM
May 2023

that are not supposed to "coordinate" with them but often do "behind the scenes". We just had that happen with our mayoral primary race here in Philly and one of the candidates - Jeff Brown - who was caught coordinating with some Super PACs early on.

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