New House bill would block pay for members of Congress if the U.S. defaults
Source: NBC News
WASHINGTON A bipartisan bill set to be unveiled Thursday by Reps. Abigail Spanberger, D-Va., and Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., would block members of Congress from getting paid if the U.S. enters debt default or if the government shuts down.
The No Pay for Congress During Default or Shutdown Act, shared in advance with NBC News, would withhold lawmakers' pay for the duration of a debt limit breach or lapse in federal funding, an attempt to motivate legislators to prevent either situation.
The bill comes amid growing fears that the divided Congress may not meet the June 1 deadline set by the Treasury Department to raise the debt limit or risk a catastrophic default on U.S. obligations. And the proposal, from two politically vulnerable members in competitive districts, represents a populist move to channel voter anger toward Congress, which is strong among both parties bases.
"If Congress cant fulfill basic obligations tied to the strength and security of our country, lawmakers should not be rewarded with our salaries until we do our jobs," Spanberger said.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-bill-block-pay-congress-us-hits-debt-ceiling-rcna84973
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)Hope it passes. They need some oversight in pay conditions, they also seem to give themselves a raise every year or two yet they can't raise the paltry minimum wage to anything reasonable for workers.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)2naSalit
(102,793 posts)Yes, that would be better. Docking of pay. I also think their after serving in office benefits should be weighed against how well they represented their constituents.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)mitch96
(15,804 posts)Although most in congress and senate are wealthy and could ride it out no problem.
That begs the question, who has the lowest net worth?
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bottomofthehill
(9,390 posts)Not only do they not give themselves an increase every couple of years, they are exempt from the annual cost of living that most Federal Employees get automatically. By the way, they dont get free healthcare and retirement at full pay either. There are a lot of misconceptions about congressional pay.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)But I do know that, though HC is not free, the coverage is pretty damned good and within their means to cover premiums.
Either way, they are paid handsomely, with plenty of perks, to do their jobs and they have shown time and again in many cases that they cannot be trusted. In these times, turns out it's perhaps .01% of the Democratic party members are untrustworthy while 100% of the Republican party has shown they are not only untrustworthy, they have proven they want to destroy the country and at least two thirds of the population.
Their pay should be measured against their performance in the doing the peoples' work which they are hired to do.
Anything more and it starts looking too much like an aristocratic corps which they now appear to think they are.
bottomofthehill
(9,390 posts)A member of congress earns $172,400 per year. Below are the agencys with federal employees making more than 200,000 dollars a year. You can think what you want about the quality of some members of congress work, but they are well underpaid for what they do. Members of congress get the same benefits as any other FERS employee.
Agency Name
2,581 SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
2,505 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
1,332 FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION
699 DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY
237 FEDERAL HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY
236 COMMODITY FUTURES TRADING COMMISSION
208 FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
164 DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS
118 NATIONAL CREDIT UNION ADMINISTRATION
118 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
99 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
52 FARM CREDIT ADMINISTRATION
13 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
11 DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
8 NAT AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
8 PRESIDIO TRUST
8 DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
7 DEPARTMENT OF STATE
6 FARM CREDIT SYSTEM INSURANCE CORPORATION
4 ARMED FORCES RETIREMENT HOME
MiHale
(13,032 posts)Amongst politicians thats a revolutionary idea!
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Of course NBC applauds the artists, another corporation that wants you to avoid knowing that its always Republicans who threaten default always and only.
rpannier
(24,924 posts)Won't move the needle on the vast majority of them
Best guess, the work requirement b.s. will be included along with other regressive ideas
really worried about those millionaires too.
Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)It can't pay government employees either. So, the Congress should not get paid just like all the other debt holders.
Bayard
(29,693 posts)But if their staff aren't being paid--that's a different story. They can't function without the helper bees.
bottomofthehill
(9,390 posts)We have never had a default so I cant speak to that.
3Hotdogs
(15,368 posts)SS and Medicare-caid wouldn't because there would be nobody to write the checks.
Well, who would be processing the Congress's checks?
napi21
(45,806 posts)3Hotdogs
(15,368 posts)DownriverDem
(7,014 posts)Most are millionaires. LOL
relayerbob
(7,428 posts)Should be the first things on the do not pay list list, and last to get turned back on, in the event of default. And NO back pay or expenses from that period allowed.
relayerbob
(7,428 posts)Should be the first things on the do not pay list list, and last to get turned back on, in the event of default. And NO back pay or expenses from that period allowed.
James48
(5,215 posts)Doesnt anyone recognize that if the government defaults-
N-O-B-O-D-Y that gets a government check gets paid?
Not Congress.
Not the Army.
Not social security recipients.
Not disabled veterans.
No one can get paid if the government defaults.
BumRushDaShow
(169,760 posts)has "stopped the clock" over weekends when they are finishing up appropriations that have gone beyond the previous appropriations expiration date?
By Niels Lesniewski
Posted October 11, 2011 at 5:37pm
In the 19th century, whenever the Senate ran dangerously short on time to pass critical legislation, Isaac Bassett would extend a pole to the official chamber clock and perform a feat most mortals only dream of. As the assistant doorkeeper from 1861 until his death in 1895, he would push back the hands of the clock at the request of the vice president to forestall adjournment.
The task stirred a mixture of awe and consternation in him. I wish it distinctly understood that I never did so until I received the order from the vice president or president pro tem of the Senate, Bassett wrote in personal notes, now recorded on a Senate Historical Office website.
A number of the most important appropriations bills have been saved and an extra session avoided, Bassett wrote. I have nothing to say whether it was constitutional or not, but never in my life while in the service of the Senate (have I) disobeyed an order from the vice president.
Both chambers of Congress have procedural tricks that allow the majority to circumvent dead ends and strengthen its position. But while the Speaker can pluck his out of thin air, the Senate is beholden to its own restrictive rules and precedents, all of which have been recorded in the 1,608-page tome Riddicks Senate Procedure.
(snip)
https://rollcall.com/2011/10/11/riddicks-tome-unlocks-quirky-senate-powers/
IOW, they can reference a manufactured trick when needed, and the Senate has actually codified theirs.

Riddick's (Rules for) Senate Procedure
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)They'd come to their senses then.
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)Do it!
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Then shut down their ability to receive any campaign contributions until the default is lifted.
That's where the real money is.
BumRushDaShow
(169,760 posts)that are not supposed to "coordinate" with them but often do "behind the scenes". We just had that happen with our mayoral primary race here in Philly and one of the candidates - Jeff Brown - who was caught coordinating with some Super PACs early on.