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CountAllVotes

(22,207 posts)
Sat May 20, 2023, 07:32 PM May 2023

National Treasure crosses finish line 1st at Preakness, hours after other Baffert horse euthanized

Source: Associated Press

BALTIMORE — Bob Baffert’s National Treasure won the Preakness Stakes on Saturday, ending Mage’s Triple Crown bid in the trainer’s return from a suspension — and just hours after another of his 3-year-old horses was euthanized on the track.

Baffert headed to the winner’s circle on the same day that his colt Havnameltdown went down with a fatal left leg injury in an undercard race. Baffert said he and his team were in shock.

“Winning this,” Baffert said, choking back tears after National Treasure’s win, “losing that horse earlier really hurts. It’s been a very emotional day.”

The fatality was another dark moment for a sport already reeling from the deaths of seven horses at Churchill Downs in a 10-day span leading up to the Kentucky Derby.

Read more: https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/05/national-treasure-crosses-finish-line-1st-at-preakness-hours-after-other-baffert-horse-euthanized.html?utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter



How many have died under Baffert?

Enough already!





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National Treasure crosses finish line 1st at Preakness, hours after other Baffert horse euthanized (Original Post) CountAllVotes May 2023 OP
3 years old. Their bones aren't even set until 4 or 5. AllyCat May 2023 #1
But don't they get slower as they as they age? TexasBushwhacker May 2023 #16
They cost a lot to feed for 2-3 more years AllyCat May 2023 #19
Many of the races are age restricted. hay rick May 2023 #23
I refreshed my memory on this last week Bayard May 2023 #20
They start racing them at 2. AllyCat May 2023 #21
They can race them at two, Bayard May 2023 #26
I had an OTTB. We competed through IP in eventing. AllyCat May 2023 #28
I agree with your last statement Bayard May 2023 #30
Well, I did spend some time in the ER. AllyCat May 2023 #31
wow, ten years. Lefta Dissenter May 2023 #33
Those were the days! We had so much fun! AllyCat May 2023 #35
Another human whining for sympathy PlutosHeart May 2023 #2
Baffert is a criminal CountAllVotes May 2023 #3
Yes. But doesn't help the horses that continually PlutosHeart May 2023 #4
Hear's a thought Rebl2 May 2023 #5
Horse Racing is a deadly sport montanacowboy May 2023 #6
Those of us who love the strength, Enoki33 May 2023 #7
Enjoy your yuppie blood sport. ForgoTheConsequence May 2023 #8
Thank you . I intend to. Have a nice day too. Enoki33 May 2023 #13
It's not a yuppy sport Polybius May 2023 #24
"Yuppie blood sport"?? AZ8theist May 2023 #25
That's a lot of words for "I have no empathy." sybylla May 2023 #9
Every day I am instantly judged what and who l Enoki33 May 2023 #15
Delete this post AnrothElf May 2023 #11
You do not tell me what to do. Enoki33 May 2023 #12
Pretty sure I just did. AnrothElf May 2023 #18
Domesticated animals really do not do well at our hands. PatrickforB May 2023 #14
Whenever someone watching one of the Enoki33 May 2023 #17
But the other sports participants decide on their participation. oldsoftie May 2023 #36
My understanding was that they were bred just for a race then to contribute their sperm for CTyankee May 2023 #22
A lot of money is made from "studs" after racing. oldsoftie May 2023 #37
Animal abuse is so disgusting I hate even thinking about it. I try to avoid these races as it just CTyankee May 2023 #39
Horse racing should go out like dog racing. Time to stop this nonsense. oldsoftie May 2023 #10
Amen! Peregrine Took May 2023 #29
Absolutely end this evil "sport" it's disgusting! nt Raine May 2023 #32
What a barbaric LPBBEAR May 2023 #27
It's not just the abject cruelty of this sport Envirogal May 2023 #34
I can't watch horse or dog racing. I think it's awful. nt leftyladyfrommo May 2023 #38
"Okay, N.T., if you don't win, you get what your stablemate got" Wonder Why May 2023 #40

AllyCat

(18,810 posts)
1. 3 years old. Their bones aren't even set until 4 or 5.
Sat May 20, 2023, 07:37 PM
May 2023

I love thoroughbred horses. They are my ideal horse.

This sport is horrid. I’m on multiple sites helping people rescue the also-rans from the slaughter house.

hay rick

(9,587 posts)
23. Many of the races are age restricted.
Sun May 21, 2023, 01:00 PM
May 2023

The triple crown races are restricted to 3-year-olds. They will not race against older colts and horses until later in the year and even then they will typically get a weight allowance. The very best 3-year-olds very seldom race as horses (5 years old+) or even as 4-year-olds when they are still considered colts. Their breeding value makes continued racing too risky. Successful fillies may also be retired early for similar reasons.

Those thoroughbreds who continue to race probably reach their peak between 4 and 6. It is common for geldings to race for several more years after their 3-year-old season as they have no breeding value to protect.

Bayard

(29,569 posts)
20. I refreshed my memory on this last week
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:01 PM
May 2023

Their joints are usually closed by age 3. But they will keep growing till 5+ years.

AllyCat

(18,810 posts)
21. They start racing them at 2.
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:30 PM
May 2023

The Triple crown races are for 3 year olds.

Also, and you may already know this, all TBs have their birthdays January 1, so if they were born in July of 2021, they are technically 2 year olds now and racing at a year and 9 months.

Bayard

(29,569 posts)
26. They can race them at two,
Sun May 21, 2023, 05:36 PM
May 2023

But they have to be pretty mature for their age. Its not the smartest thing in the world, since that means they start training even earlier. I'm not crazy about 3 year old's racing, but its been the tradition here for 149 years.

All that being said, these horses live to run. TB's more than any other. Horses evolved as grass-eating prey animals. Even now, its a wonder they let us on their backs, as that's right where a mountain lion would jump on them.

Sighthounds (breeds that hunt by sight instead of smell) also live to run. I've had Greyhounds, Salukis, and Borzois. Two of my Greyhounds were retired off the track, my girl was a washout so we were able to get her when she was only a year old. When she started training, she was so fast, she would race to the front of the pack and start tripping everybody else up to play.
We used to take our Grey's coursing, with the Louisville Coursing Club. You go out on a big open field, set up a big wire course with lots of twists and turns, so the (lure--usually just a plastic grocery bag) can run on it powered by a car battery.
Its great fun, and the dogs totally LOVE it. My same little girl would be going bananas at the start of a run, even chewing at the leash to be let go. They usually run 3 dogs at a time. My girl always won, and starting accruing championship points.

I've known a number of OTT (off the track) TB's that went on to do well in other careers, like jumping, eventing, and dressage. But the urge to fly is always there.

AllyCat

(18,810 posts)
28. I had an OTTB. We competed through IP in eventing.
Sun May 21, 2023, 06:01 PM
May 2023

She was not fast on the track but raced at 2 and 3. I was lucky she retired sound. But she ALWAYS wanted to run.

Yes, TBs are bred to run. But they are dependent on humans to make sound choices for them. Breeders and trainers are trying to make $. If they can race them at “two”, they will do what they feel is necessary to make cash.

I just don’t think they should be racing in immature joints and still growing bones.

Bayard

(29,569 posts)
30. I agree with your last statement
Sun May 21, 2023, 07:34 PM
May 2023

It sounds like you were much better at eventing than I was. I spent too much time in the ER. Went to straight dressage, and never looked back.

AllyCat

(18,810 posts)
31. Well, I did spend some time in the ER.
Sun May 21, 2023, 08:23 PM
May 2023

Right now doing hunters (yawn) and dressage as well. My mare has been gone 10 years. I miss her so much. I’ve never ridden a horse that can jump like she did.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,703 posts)
33. wow, ten years.
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:35 PM
May 2023

How has the time flown by like that? C and I were just talking about some of the old friends from those clinics and shows - weekends hanging out with friends, horses, mosquitoes and maybe a beverage or two.

I’m glad you’re at least keeping up with riding, even if you’re not eventing now.

AllyCat

(18,810 posts)
35. Those were the days! We had so much fun!
Sun May 21, 2023, 11:05 PM
May 2023

I would like to event again but thinking novice might be the most fun. Actually riding with a decent dressage program and actually learning something! It’s actually really fun!

PlutosHeart

(1,445 posts)
2. Another human whining for sympathy
Sat May 20, 2023, 07:37 PM
May 2023

at the cost of another animal's/living creature's life
People like this make me sick. It is like someone on SM crying that their dog or cat was hit by a car and oh boo hoo, (it was their fault to let it out) and taking a thread of responsibility or blame. Just soaking up sympathy.

CountAllVotes

(22,207 posts)
3. Baffert is a criminal
Sat May 20, 2023, 08:15 PM
May 2023

We know that already.

Too bad the racing commission didn't opt to permanently toss him OUT for GOOD!

Greed greed greed!

At the expense of a beautiful innocent animal!



PlutosHeart

(1,445 posts)
4. Yes. But doesn't help the horses that continually
Sat May 20, 2023, 08:27 PM
May 2023

face this threat. And it is not just him. Many are euthanized due to not being up to standard.
There are ways to admire horses without the races. Without the betting propelling them.
Humans are a failed species in many ways. This is just one direct example.

montanacowboy

(6,710 posts)
6. Horse Racing is a deadly sport
Sat May 20, 2023, 08:34 PM
May 2023

and the innocent beautiful animals suffer for the greed of men It makes me sick. I was in the horse business for many years, breeding, training and showing quarter horses. I loved my horses like my family and never harmed them. But this racing business is a whole other business. Just so much flesh to them. I hope there is a special hell for these fuckers.

Enoki33

(1,605 posts)
7. Those of us who love the strength,
Sat May 20, 2023, 09:22 PM
May 2023

speed and majesty of the thoroughbred on the track do not questions the right of others to buy a pit bull dog that has a history of killing children. Pit bulls were specifically bred for fighting. Today I won money on Preakness. If the 1/2 finish had been reversed it would still have been a magnificent race. It is not only about money.

Polybius

(21,875 posts)
24. It's not a yuppy sport
Sun May 21, 2023, 02:14 PM
May 2023

My dad was the furthest thing imaginable from a yuppy, and he adored horse racing. A lot of old, NY Italian men loved it, or at least did in the 80's. OTB was their second home.

For the record, I don't do horse racing.

sybylla

(8,655 posts)
9. That's a lot of words for "I have no empathy."
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:07 AM
May 2023

You just essentially said: so long as I get joy out of it, what does it matter that the beings who are the means of my joy spend their life in joyless conditions, are overworked, abused and slaughtered?

That is some flag to be waving.


Enoki33

(1,605 posts)
15. Every day I am instantly judged what and who l
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:17 AM
May 2023

am after one look. I do not need the additional luxury you afford. Thanks anyway.

PatrickforB

(15,420 posts)
14. Domesticated animals really do not do well at our hands.
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:11 AM
May 2023

There is much cruelty practiced on them so we can smell nice, have our new drugs tested, be entertained at animal shows, rodeos, horseraces, dog races, and so on.

Put on the hat of compassion for a moment and imagine you are a racehorse that stumbles on a track and then has to be killed immediately. Or the kittens left in a freezing barn to die as two of our cats were. Or the dogs who get chained up and starved outside in the freezing cold or baking heat. And what about how 'big ag' treats our cattle, pigs, chickens, turkeys?

The sad truth here, Enoki, is that we are the only species on this planet about whom it can be said that if we went extinct, all other life here would be better off. Think on that, for it is true. Our species, because of the diseased quest for profits over all else, is presiding over one of the greatest mass extinctions in the history of our earth, and putting our very planet in danger of becoming uninhabitable for us.

Though you won money by betting on the Preakness, think on these things. Is the few dollars you collected worth the suffering of the animals in this 'industry?'

Enoki33

(1,605 posts)
17. Whenever someone watching one of the
Sun May 21, 2023, 11:02 AM
May 2023

myriad of sports available for betting on and wins a few bucks is that also used against them? Would appreciate you not trying to preach to me. I many moons ago gave up the hypocrisy of religion. Thanks for your moderation.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
36. But the other sports participants decide on their participation.
Mon May 22, 2023, 06:47 AM
May 2023

No one is made to play football or basketball or made to box or wrestle

CTyankee

(68,152 posts)
22. My understanding was that they were bred just for a race then to contribute their sperm for
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:47 PM
May 2023

breeding. Do they die relatively young?

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
37. A lot of money is made from "studs" after racing.
Mon May 22, 2023, 06:50 AM
May 2023

Secretariat lived to be 19. Many do get to live a good "retirement" since people will pay big money for them to sire another possible champion.

But too many race horses are dying at tracks. There are many articles on the problem. Many of these tracks & races we hear nothing about.

CTyankee

(68,152 posts)
39. Animal abuse is so disgusting I hate even thinking about it. I try to avoid these races as it just
Mon May 22, 2023, 09:19 AM
May 2023

looks like the horses are abused by a bunch of rich drunk people who never got straight with their racist views.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
10. Horse racing should go out like dog racing. Time to stop this nonsense.
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:39 AM
May 2023

I think dog racing is only in W Va now.

LPBBEAR

(654 posts)
27. What a barbaric
Sun May 21, 2023, 05:42 PM
May 2023

(cough cough) "sport".
If they're going to "put down" injured horses I'd like to see the owners put down at the same time.

Envirogal

(311 posts)
34. It's not just the abject cruelty of this sport
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:08 PM
May 2023

It’s the over breeding and selling off the losers that didn’t make the cut, to meet an undignified end in the gruesome slaughterhouse supply chain.

Any person supporting this yuppie bloodsport is enabling the problem. No better than the cock fighters, dog racing or dog fighter in the litany of dysfunctional, cruel and greedy humans betting sports.

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