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Thu May 25, 2023, 10:55 AM

Supreme Court rules against EPA in dispute over regulating wetlands

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Source: CBS News

Washington -- The Supreme Court on Thursday curtailed the Environmental Protection Agency's authority to regulate certain wetlands that qualify as "waters of the United States" under the Clean Water Act, curbing what has long been seen as a key tool to protect waterways from pollution.

The high court ruled against the agency in a long-running dispute with Idaho landowners known as Sackett v. EPA. In an opinion authored by Justice Samuel Alito, the court found that the agency's interpretation of the wetlands covered by the Clean Water Act is "inconsistent" with the law's text and structure, and the law extends only to "wetlands with a continuous surface connection to bodies of water that are 'waters of the United States' in their own right."

While the majority acknowledged that weather and climate events like low tides and dry spells can cause "temporary interruptions" between bodies of waters covered by the law, the court said that wetlands protected under the Clean Water Act should be otherwise "indistinguishable" from other regulated waters.

The Supreme Court's ruling reverses a decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, which sided with the EPA. The court ruled unanimously in favor of the Idaho couple, Michael and Chantell Sackett, that brought the case, but split 5-4 in its reasoning. Joining Alito's majority opinion were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett. Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson concurred in the judgment.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-epa-clean-water-act/



Link to opinion - https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-454_4g15.pdf

Article updated.

Original article -

Washington -- The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled against the Environmental Protection Agency in a dispute over its authority to regulate certain wetlands under the Clean Water Act, long seen as a key tool to protect waterways from pollution.

In an opinion authored by Justice Samuel Alito in the case known as Sackett v. EPA, the high court found that the agency's interpretation of the wetlands covered under the Clean Water Act is "inconsistent" with the law's text and structure, and the law extends only to "wetlands with a continuous surface connection to bodies of water that are 'waters of the United States' in their own right."

Five justices joined the majority opinion by Alito, while the remaining four -- Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson -- concurred in the judgment.

The decision from the conservative court is the latest to target the authority of the EPA to police pollution. On the final day of its term last year, the high court limited the agency's power to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from power plants, dealing a blow to efforts to combat climate change.

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BumRushDaShow May 25 OP
RegulatedCapitalistD May 25 #1
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ret5hd May 25 #3
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hedda_foil May 25 #5
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obamanut2012 May 25 #7
The Mouth May 25 #19
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Polybius May 25 #21
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moonshinegnomie May 25 #10
KPN May 25 #30
moonshinegnomie May 25 #9
mountain grammy May 25 #11
moonshinegnomie May 25 #18
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 10:56 AM

1. And the Nutters think its Democrats that want to Ruin America...

 

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 10:57 AM

2. Ignore the pigs-in-a-blanket

What's Thomass going to do? Throw a Coke can at the EPA?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 10:58 AM

3. Brick by brick...

Pebble by pebble…
Grain by grain…

All our progress is being dismantled, razed, in honor to and adoration of the almighty holy dollar.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:03 AM

4. Creating a dystopian environmental future, repealing one EPA regulation at a time. nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:07 AM

5. All nine voted against the EPA.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #5)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:50 PM

23. All nine concurred that the specific land/wetlands at issue in this case did not meet the

criteria of "wetlands" protected under the law as spelled out in the existing law. There is nothing in the law that says the wetlands must have a "continuous surface connection" to larger regulated bodies of water. The 5-4 vote was split along this specific criteria created by this court, not whether or not the Clean Water Act applied to this specific wetland. All nine concurred that it should not, i.e., the application of the existing law in this specific case was flawed in their opinion.

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Response to KPN (Reply #23)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:54 PM

26. Thank you for clarifying.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:11 AM

6. Democrats have waited long enough to add judges to the supreme court

What are they waiting for? By the time the do it it might be too late...damn the GOP assholes!

If one thing people need to realize is the fact that criminals and evil people like republicans ARE NOT incompetent, they are very competent and very proactive at destruction, they don't stop, they are all the time thinking of ways to screw people, to come up with treasonous ideas and they go right out to try to implement them. These people have to be voted out of office or they WILL destroy the country. Next thing we will have Putin coming to the USA on a monthly basis while republicans play homage to him.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #6)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:16 AM

7. The Dem Justices also voted against the EPA

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #7)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:43 PM

19. Conservatives are really good at picking the right cases

In this one, the EPA *were* being arrogant bullies without justifiable cause. Every single justice, and most anyone who paid attention to the case saw the EPA both really stretching a definition and being utterly arbitrary and unwilling to communicate or compromise.

This was an EXTREME example of what was essentially a taking of private land. Way beyond what any regulatory agency should be able to do in the opinion of a hell of a lot of people who generally support environmental concerns.

Just because the intention is good doesn't mean the action is justified.

Definitions matter, if Congress wants to regulate 'non-navigable' waters then they need to say so.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #6)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:22 AM

8. "What are they waiting for?"

How would that get through the Senate, which has a 60-vote threshold to pass a bill?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:45 PM

21. Better yes, how does it pass in the House?

Even harder.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #21)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:52 PM

25. That is a given at the moment

BUT the House doesn't have the kind of draconian "cloture" (filibuster) Rule that the Senate has. So should Democrats re-take the House, something like that could be passed there, but still die in the Senate.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #6)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:28 AM

10. it was a unanimous descision

exanding the court would have done nothing in this case

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Response to moonshinegnomie (Reply #10)

Thu May 25, 2023, 01:07 PM

30. Not exactly. The decision set aside the agency's determination that the wetland involved was

subject to regulation under the Clean Water Act (the vote was 9-0 on this piece), but went further to articulate and set a legal standard (i.e., law) that is not set out in either the Clean Water Act or its implementing regulations that a wetland must have a “continuous surface connection” to larger, regulated bodies of water in order for the law to apply (on this second part, the vote was 5-4 with only Kavanaugh joining the minority).

Expanding the court may well have upended the Court's arbitrary decision in this case. The Court essentially wrote or amended the law. They essentially legislated in issuing that decision.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:27 AM

9. it was a unanimous descision

the only split was in the reasoning behind the decision


The court ruled unanimously in favor of the Idaho couple, Michael and Chantell Sackett, that brought the case, but split 5-4 in its reasoning. Joining Alito's majority opinion were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett. Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson concurred in the judgment

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:40 AM

11. How much $$$ did it cost

The Sacketts? A new RV for Thomas?

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #11)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:41 PM

18. different sacketts

same last name as the opiate assholes but not related

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Response to moonshinegnomie (Reply #18)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:52 PM

24. Doesn't matter. Same disease.

Too much money and entitlement. They can build anywhere but want the wetlands and by god that’s what all that money’s for.. to get what they want.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #24)

Thu May 25, 2023, 05:17 PM

39. All 3 liberal Justices

Sided with the Sacketts.

Perhaps, they were in the right...

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #39)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:02 PM

43. Very bad decision

I fear they’re compromising with the extremists. This case was backed by the oil companies.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #43)

Fri May 26, 2023, 12:15 AM

45. There is no benefit for them in compromise

They easily could have dissented, as they do all the time.

When nine Justices with wildly different judicial philosophies all rule the same way, it's a pretty safe bet that the decision was correct.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #43)

Fri May 26, 2023, 02:01 AM

47. I've learned to never argue with a 9-0 decision

Even if I was originally against something, I become for it with unanimous decisions.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #11)

Thu May 25, 2023, 01:03 PM

28. All 9 voted for it. Are you saying all 9 were paid?

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #28)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:03 PM

44. The court is compromised.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #44)

Fri May 26, 2023, 12:16 AM

46. Are you suggesting

That Kagen, Sotomayor and Brown-Jackson are on the take? How are they compromised and what proof do you have?

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #46)

Fri May 26, 2023, 10:26 AM

51. I'm suggesting that this court is compromised

and taking cases that have anything to do with dismantling regulations that took years to put in place, overruling Congress and the will of the people for corporate greed. Watch for the end of ICWA coming soon. The fossil fuel companies are behind this. That 4 Justices disagreed about the reasoning behind this decision is irrelevant.

The greed for untapped land knows no bounds.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:42 AM

12. And The Clean Water Act was bipartisan and championed by Nixon...

There are not just Democratic gains for clean water, air, etc.... these are undoing literally 50 years of bipartisan efforts to make the environment safe for all people, nit just a dumping ground for business.

Of course, the kind of Republican who would value people and the environment over unrestricted Gordon Gecko 'greed is good' profits probably does not exist anymore.

Curious as to the consenting opinion?

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #12)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:59 AM

14. SCOTUSblog had a link to the opinion (PDF)

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-454_4g15.pdf

It's 82 pages and the "concurring in judgement" starts on pg 62 by Kagan (on behalf of herself, Sotomayor, and Jackson-Brown), and an additional "concurring in judgement" starts at page 68 by Kavanaugh (for himself and also signed off on by Sotomayor, Jackson-Brown and Kagan). Thomas did his own verbose mess before those, that was a concur to Alito.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:53 AM

13. This court will ALWAYS side with billionaires and corporations.

ALWAYS. It's what they were put there for -- and to enact the agenda of "Christian" White Nationalists and Nazis.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:03 PM

15. And these people know noting about wetland behaviors and ecosystems

The couple that wanted to build a house?

I hope the damn thing floods constantly.

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Response to Novara (Reply #15)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:22 PM

16. Well what this exposed was that the law needs to be updated

to better define what a "wetland" is.

Back 50-some years ago, it seemed more self-explanatory using the simplified language used at the time. But now with the nitpicky nature of jurisprudence, it needs to be spelled out - perhaps even to include illustrations.

I expect climate change itself has actually affected the gradual/sudden presence of a wetland or the gradual/sudden disappearance of one, and how does one write a law to deal with that?

Say you have a private citizen who owns a property that is not geographically adjacent to any rivers or a coast, where the topography gets changed due to a major event like severe flooding from a tropical cyclone that sat stationary over an area for a few days, eventually allowing the water build-up enough to form new creeks and tributaries, that eventually "connect" what was dry land, to a river some distance away, and forms a new natural "basin" out of that land that now stays soggy over a period of several years due to regular, or even above normal rainfall.

Can you call that property a "wetland" and kick the person off the land?

This is just a hypothetical that seems to be some of the gist...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #16)

Thu May 25, 2023, 01:01 PM

27. instead of speculating about what a wetland is, here's the EPA's definition

https://www.epa.gov/cwa-404/how-wetlands-are-defined-and-identified-under-cwa-section-404#:~:text=Section%20404%20of%20the%20Clean%20Water%20Act

The EPA and the Corps use the 1987 Corps of Engineers Wetlands Delineation Manual and Regional Supplements to define wetlands for the Clean Water Act Section 404 permit program. Section 404 requires a permit from the Corps or authorized state for the discharge of dredged or fill material into the waters of the United States, including wetlands.

The 1987 Corps of Engineers Wetlands Delineation Manual and Regional Supplements organizes characteristics of a potential wetland into three categories: soils, vegetation and hydrology. The manual and supplements contain criteria for each category. With this approach, an area that meets all three criteria is considered a wetland.

And here is the USACE wetlands Delineation Manual: https://www.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Regulatory-Program-and-Permits/reg_supp/

I'm an environmental scientist and it's too much information for me to wade through this minute, but it's clear that it is also too much information for the SCOTUS to rule on in the way that they did. In other words, they chose the political route, not the scientific route.

I know you are surprised they took the political route.

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Response to Novara (Reply #27)

Thu May 25, 2023, 01:22 PM

32. I don't know if you read the ruling

(I added the link in the OP (PDF) - https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-454_4g15.pdf)

But first, let me add that I'm not "surprised" by anything the SCOTUS does at this point...

However you have this in the (main) ruling -

(snip)

The majority thus alters—more pre-
cisely, narrows the scope of—the statute Congress drafted. And make no mistake: Congress wrote the statute it
meant to. The Clean Water Act was a landmark piece of
environmental legislation, designed to address a problem of
“crisis proportions.

(snip)

Today’s majority, though, believes Congress went too far.
In the majority’s view, the Act imposes unjustifiably “crush-
ing consequences” for violations of its terms. Ante, at 3.
And many of those violations, it thinks, are of no real con-
cern, arising from “mundane” land-use conduct “like mov-
ing dirt.” Ante, at 13. Congress, the majority scolds, has
unleashed the EPA to regulate “swimming pools[ ] and pud-
dles,” wreaking untold havoc on “a staggering array of land-
owners.” Ante, at 1, 13. Surely something has to be done;
and who else to do it but this Court? It must rescue prop-
erty owners from Congress’s too-ambitious program of pol-
lution control.

So the majority shelves the usual rules of interpreta-
tion—reading the text, determining what the words used
there mean, and applying that ordinary understanding
4 SACKETT v. EPA
K AGAN, J., concurring in judgment
even if it conflicts with judges’ policy preferences.


The "political" part was hyperbole nonsense about "swimming pools", but the part about "interpretation" is why there needs to be some revisions to the Act.

I.e., they (the conservatives) are swatting aside the "Regulations" (which are put in place by those agencies that are covered under the Act and that "interpret" what the law is so they can develop statutory guidelines), and are going back to the "literal" Act itself.

So on one hand, they are saying that they want that type of stuff spelled out in the actual law and not "interpreted" by an agency, but on the other hand, they are also attributing the "interpretations" to what they believe are eco-fanatics going overboard.

And people wonder why legislation is thousands of pages long.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #32)

Thu May 25, 2023, 02:35 PM

33. lots of hyperbole there.

This part:

unjustifiably “crushing consequences” for violations


is also hyperbole. If the justices have issue with enforcement, then they need to spell that out. And that is a legislative fix, not a judicial one. In other words, it is political and they are taking it upon themselves to legislate from the bench. Once again the SCOTUS took precedent, tossed it out the window, and gave in to political hyperbole.

I maintain that they don't truly understand the CWA and because they don't, they're ceding to industry and developers. They don't understand the definition of a wetland, don't like how it is defined, clearly don't understand the ecosystem and development of wetlands, and instead, are legislating from the bench based on their misunderstanding and ignorance.

That's what I have a problem with. They are not qualified to interpret the scientific intricacies.

If they have an issue with how it's defined, letting the plaintiff win this case isn't the way to solve it.

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Response to Novara (Reply #33)

Thu May 25, 2023, 02:46 PM

34. Exactly

And to this part that you wrote -

If the justices have issue with enforcement, then they need to spell that out. And that is a legislative fix, not a judicial one. In other words, it is political and they are taking it upon themselves to legislate from the bench. Once again the SCOTUS took precedent, tossed it out the window, and gave in to political hyperbole.


Yup - which is why I wrote -

Well what this exposed was that the law needs to be updated to better define what a "wetland" is.


and also -

So on one hand, they are saying that they want that type of stuff spelled out in the actual law and not "interpreted" by an agency, but on the other hand, they are also attributing the "interpretations" to what they believe are eco-fanatics going overboard.

And people wonder why legislation is thousands of pages long.


What the conservatives wrote was a cop-out as the position from the standpoint of faux "literalism". Of course, many laws are written not to be so specific so they might be able to cover "unforeseen circumstances", where the law would have a valid application in the future, and that is why Congress relies on the Executive to do the "details".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #34)

Thu May 25, 2023, 02:55 PM

35. a total cop-out

But one based on ignorance of the science, and that's what pisses me off so much about this kind of shit.

There's no appeal. There's no way to bring in experts to testify now who can talk about why the statute is written the way it was. I don't know if they testified previously or not, but it doesn't sound like it, given their focusing on a "significant nexus" to navigable waters. It doesn't mean contiguous. It sounds like they think so, by their reasoning.

Just because they don't understand the statute doesn't mean it has to be re-written, and parts of it thrown out until it does (if it does).

It sounds like the government did not present their case well enough to get them to understand the statute, which is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

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Response to Novara (Reply #35)

Thu May 25, 2023, 03:16 PM

36. From what I understand, this case was brought in 2007

which was under Shrub. And the courts agreed with the EPA through to the Appeals when the SCOTUS dug into it and sent it back to the lower court again. It was re-litigated and came back up with the same results through to the Appeals Court, but this time, the SCOTUS decided to do a cherry-picked smack-down.

I suppose we should be glad they didn't just throw the whole thing out (although that might be the intent - "death by a thousand cuts" ).

In Kagan's response -

A court may, on occasion, apply a clear-statement rule to
deal with statutory vagueness or ambiguity. But a court
may not rewrite Congress’s plain instructions because they
go further than preferred. That is what the majority does
today in finding that the Clean Water Act excludes many
wetlands (clearly) “adjacent” to covered waters.

And still more fundamentally, why ever have a thumb on
the scale against the Clean Water Act’s protections? The
majority first invokes federalism. See ante, at 23–24. But
as JUSTICE KAVANAUGH observes, “the Federal Govern-
ment has long regulated the waters of the United States,
including adjacent wetlands.” Post, at 11. The majority
next raises the specter of criminal penalties for “indetermi-
nate” conduct. See ante, at 24–25. But there is no peculiar
indeterminacy in saying—as regulators have said for nearly
a half century—that a wetland is covered both when it
touches a covered water and when it is separated by only a
dike, berm, dune, or similar barrier. (That standard is in
fact more definite than a host of criminal laws I could
name.) Today’s pop-up clear-statement rule is explicable
only as a reflexive response to Congress’s enactment of an
ambitious scheme of environmental regulation.


And she concluded with -

There, the majority’s non-tex-
tualism barred the EPA from addressing climate change by
curbing power plant emissions in the most effective way.
Here, that method prevents the EPA from keeping our
country’s waters clean by regulating adjacent wetlands.
The vice in both instances is the same: the Court’s appoint-
ment of itself as the national decision-maker on environ-
mental policy.

So I’ll conclude, sadly, by repeating what I wrote last
year, with the replacement of only a single word. “[T]he
Court substitutes its own ideas about policymaking for Con-
gress’s. The Court will not allow the Clean [Water] Act to
work as Congress instructed. The Court, rather than Con-
gress, will decide how much regulation is too much.” Id., at
___ (slip op., at 32). Because that is not how I think our
Government should work—more, because it is not how the
Constitution thinks our Government should work—I re-
spectfully concur in the judgment only.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #36)

Thu May 25, 2023, 03:32 PM

37. she's absolutely right

Yet this decision was unanimous.

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Response to Novara (Reply #37)

Thu May 25, 2023, 03:36 PM

38. Probably because it was narrow, pretty much focused on this one property owner

(and possibly others in that situation) and didn't throw out the whole law.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #36)

Fri May 26, 2023, 08:33 AM

48. This is an excellent summary why this is such a horrible decision

This decision may be narrow, but it sets precedent which can be (and likely will be) used to create a more expansive decision which will threaten drinking water sources.

This article better explains how I consider this decision: The Supreme Court just gutted the Clean Water Act. It could be devastating.

In a unanimous opinion for the court almost 40 years ago, Justice Byron White explained why. While acknowledging that “on a purely linguistic level, it may appear unreasonable to classify ‘lands’ wet or otherwise as ‘waters,’” the court said “such a simplistic response … does justice neither to the problem faced by the [government] nor to the realities of the problem of water pollution that the Clean Water Act was intended to combat.”

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s opinion in Sackett, however, embraces the very “simplistic response” that the court rightly criticized in 1985. Relying on a dictionary definition of “waters” and ignoring the Clean Water Act’s purpose, the court’s conservative majority has adopted a radically truncated view of the reach of the law’s restriction on water pollution. Under the court’s new view, pollution requires a permit only if it is discharged into waters that are “relatively permanent, standing or continuously flowing bodies of water, ‘forming geographic[al] features’ that are described in ordinary parlance as ‘streams … oceans, rivers, and lakes.’” And “wetlands” are covered only if they are “indistinguishably part” of those narrowly defined covered waters.

This is exactly what Scalia wanted to accomplish in 2006 when the Clean Water Act was last before the court. He managed to cobble together three other votes to gut the law but fell one justice short. Now, with six conservative justices — three of whom are largely modeled in Scalia’s image — Alito was able to accomplish what Scalia never could by securing the necessary fifth vote.

The impact of the majority ruling is potentially enormous. It could lead to the removal of millions of miles of streams and millions of acres of wetlands from the law’s direct protection. Basic protections necessary to ensure clean, healthy water for human consumption and enjoyment will be lost. As highlighted by Justice Elena Kagan’s separate opinion, the court’s opinion “prevents the EPA from keeping our country’s waters clean by regulating adjacent wetlands.”


With a dictionary definition of "waters" and no scientific knowledge of hydrology and topology, Alito cemented a future of contaminated drinking water and destroyed ecosystems. Wetlands feed not only into lakes and streams, but the water table, which, in a hell of a lot of this country, is tapped for drinking water. Stripping protections from wetlands essentially means contamination of drinking water sources. And don't forget threatening the ecosystems that thrive in clean wetlands. Imagine something like the everglades in Florida, and its entire ecosystem. Wetlands are found along the coasts, along rivers, inland in low-lying areas, and
a third of all threatened and endangered species live exclusively in wetlands.

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Response to Novara (Reply #48)

Fri May 26, 2023, 09:32 AM

49. Well it's actually worse than just that

He is starting to cement the conservative court's push for the elimination of the authority and decisions made by the Executive Branch agencies who actually carry out the law.

You see it already happening with the current attempts to "legislate from the bench" by even accepting a case that would override the authority of the FDA to review and evaluate products under their Congressional mandate, and instead "deem" that a FDA-approved product (mifepristone - originally called "RU-486" as FYI), that has been considered "GRAS" (Generally Recognized As Safe) for almost a quarter of a century, is not, because a bunch of right-wing loons "don't like it".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #49)

Sat May 27, 2023, 05:25 PM

53. Agreed. And fuck knows where that will lead us.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:39 PM

17. VOTE ... and expand the court!

In this decision, this Court wrote law, they did not simply interpret it's Constitutionality. This is from AP as it appeared in the Boston Globe:

Conservative Brett Kavanaugh and the court’s three liberal justices charged that their colleagues had rewritten that law.

Kavanaugh wrote that the court’s “new and overly narrow test may leave long-regulated and long-accepted-to-be regulable wetlands suddenly beyond the scope of the agencies’ regulatory authority.”

Justice Elena Kagan wrote that the majority’s rewriting of the act was “an effort to cabin the anti-pollution actions Congress thought appropriate.” Kagan referenced last year’s decision limiting the regulation of greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act.

In both cases, she noted, the court had appointed “itself as the national decision-maker on environmental policy.” Kagan was joined in what she wrote by her liberal colleagues Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson.


[link:https://www.theguardian.com/us|

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Response to KPN (Reply #17)

Thu May 25, 2023, 01:04 PM

29. So 13-0 instead of 9-0?

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #29)

Thu May 25, 2023, 01:13 PM

31. Maybe as regards to EPAs determination as to whether the law and its implementing regulations

applied to this specific case. But not in the larger context, that in order for the Clean Water Act to apply, a specific wetland must have a “continuous surface connection” to larger, regulated bodies of water. In other words, the Court amended the existing law to stipulate this specific criterion. On this piece, concurrence was only 5-4 with Kavanaugh siding with the minority. A 13 member court may well have voted 5-8 on and rejected this this second piece.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:43 PM

20. Kavanaugh in the minority

Wow.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #20)

Thu May 25, 2023, 12:49 PM

22. It was actually "unanimous"

but Kavanaugh (with the 3 liberal justices) had one reason why they agreed and Kagan (with her 2 liberal colleagues) added another "take" about why they agreed. Thomas piled on his own additional multi-page thing to agree with Alito. The rest (Roberts, Gorsuch, Barrett) let what Alito wrote be their opinion

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 05:30 PM

40. I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty good at reading laws and cases

The EPA rule on this was one of the most convoluted things I've ever read. Reading the courts opinions shows just how convoluted and complex this was. It's very dense and while its never good to roll back EPA protections if all 9 justices agreed even for different reasons I'd say this was reasonable.

Just because the EPA tries to protect our water does not mean they are always right and they can go too far, this seemed like one of those cases.

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Response to jgmiller (Reply #40)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:17 PM

42. I agree, jg, and may do just that, when I find the time.

Just heard discussion of the case on PBS NewsHour. Discussion here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127162182

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:06 PM

41. 'the remaining four -- concurred in the judgment.

the remaining four -- Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson -- concurred in the judgment.'

Seems like it's necessary to read this decision.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri May 26, 2023, 09:50 AM

50. No surprise

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri May 26, 2023, 10:40 AM

52. when the (formerly) supreme court makes a ruling

favoring imminent domain, just look at the trashed land the rich will grab.

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