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BumRushDaShow

(128,727 posts)
Thu May 25, 2023, 02:11 PM May 2023

Trump workers moved Mar-a-Lago boxes a day before Justice Dept. came for documents

Source: Washington Post

Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter.

Trump and his aides also allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving sensitive papers even before his office received the May 2022 subpoena, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive ongoing investigation.

Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others, these people said.

Taken together, the new details of the classified-documents investigation suggest a greater breadth and specificity to the instances of possible obstruction found by the FBI and Justice Department than has been previously reported. It also broadens the timeline of possible obstruction episodes that investigators are examining — a period stretching from events at Mar-a-Lago before the subpoena to the period after the FBI raid there on Aug. 8.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/25/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/



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Trump workers moved Mar-a-Lago boxes a day before Justice Dept. came for documents (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2023 OP
Damning Drum May 2023 #1
Criminal-in-Chief nt OAITW r.2.0 May 2023 #2
If he showed them to others, it's way more serious than just obstruction tinrobot May 2023 #3
Obstruction of justice is 20 years gab13by13 May 2023 #17
Espionage is 10 years and Obstruction is 20? MontanaMama May 2023 #21
If Trump was at the level of espionage that he very well might have been @ we need to remember .... Botany May 2023 #25
I'd like to know who tipped him off as well. The timing of moving the boxes can't be a coincidence. onecaliberal May 2023 #43
There is no doubt in my mind moniss May 2023 #50
Why not both? 30 years. Ray Bruns May 2023 #45
Why not both? 30 years. Ray Bruns May 2023 #46
Who Faux pas May 2023 #4
not gobsmacked, but really, really happy the DOJ has receipts Novara May 2023 #5
Agree 👍 Faux pas May 2023 #7
Jesus christ, arrest this lawless outlaw immediately ProfessorPlum May 2023 #6
I agree! Mickju May 2023 #13
Whoa, doesn't sound good for Trump PatSeg May 2023 #8
There should be more search warrants C_U_L8R May 2023 #9
This. The fact that there hasn't been at this point is suspect. SledDriver May 2023 #14
Can't get search warrants without probable cause. gab13by13 May 2023 #18
How much probable cause is required? C_U_L8R May 2023 #22
The fact this hasn't been done is mind boggling. onecaliberal May 2023 #44
Arrest him now! nowforever May 2023 #10
A shell game bucolic_frolic May 2023 #11
He was the Prezdent. He'll get a fine at worst. maxsolomon May 2023 #12
He wasn't the President when he was knowingly moving around classified documents. Tommy Carcetti May 2023 #19
What I'm saying is that when * did this or that doesn't matter. maxsolomon May 2023 #28
What he did in showing them to others is no different than... Novara May 2023 #15
The evidence is growing against him. LiberalFighter May 2023 #16
Dress rehearsals on hiding secret documents???? Wow - Trump must have gotten a good price for them. Vinca May 2023 #20
Jared got a good price for his stash of documents Seinan Sensei May 2023 #26
Well, well, well mcar May 2023 #23
Move over Edward Snowden. JohnnyRingo May 2023 #24
UGH - Just arrest him already! FirstLight May 2023 #27
Shocking would be if he hadn't done this. moonscape May 2023 #29
TY for the article. quaint May 2023 #30
charge him, convict him, and execute him.... bahboo May 2023 #31
28 months and counting republianmushroom May 2023 #32
Yet another smoking gun... Rhiannon12866 May 2023 #33
How deep does this shit go? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2023 #34
Always keep digging. There's no low too low. nt crickets May 2023 #36
Is it espionage yet? AwakeAtLast May 2023 #35
How about a new chant moniss May 2023 #37
I like this, made me chuckle - even though it's slightly disrespectful FakeNoose May 2023 #47
Ruh-Roh Captain Zero May 2023 #38
The workings of a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity Blue Owl May 2023 #39
Anyone here surprised at any time? Who didn't intuitively know this would happen? msfiddlestix May 2023 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2023 #41
Welcome to DU! RussBLib May 2023 #42
Interesting wording from Trump's spokesman Steven Cheung: "fake hoaxes" Red Pest May 2023 #48
It proves they knew it was illegal - acknowledgment of guilt FakeNoose May 2023 #49
I think in this case BumRushDaShow May 2023 #51

tinrobot

(10,891 posts)
3. If he showed them to others, it's way more serious than just obstruction
Thu May 25, 2023, 02:13 PM
May 2023

The next stop on this ride is espionage.

gab13by13

(21,287 posts)
17. Obstruction of justice is 20 years
Thu May 25, 2023, 03:05 PM
May 2023

espionage is 10 years I believe. Now if he sold them or shared them it's treason in my book.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
25. If Trump was at the level of espionage that he very well might have been @ we need to remember ....
Thu May 25, 2023, 04:23 PM
May 2023

.... that we have had 3 Americans who were convicted at that level and we executed 2 of them the Rosenbergs,
and the other is FBI Agent Robert Hansen who is doing 15 life terms back to back to back @ the U.S. Super Max
in Florence, CO.

They were moving the boxes of classified information the day before the FBI search? Who tipped off Trump?

onecaliberal

(32,812 posts)
43. I'd like to know who tipped him off as well. The timing of moving the boxes can't be a coincidence.
Fri May 26, 2023, 01:08 PM
May 2023

PatSeg

(47,357 posts)
8. Whoa, doesn't sound good for Trump
Thu May 25, 2023, 02:20 PM
May 2023

Did he honestly believe that no one would talk? Or that ordinary people would commit perjury for him? He is delusional.......also very guilty.

C_U_L8R

(44,996 posts)
9. There should be more search warrants
Thu May 25, 2023, 02:21 PM
May 2023

Every crevice of every property of every trump and ally ought to be scoured for stolen secrets

C_U_L8R

(44,996 posts)
22. How much probable cause is required?
Thu May 25, 2023, 03:53 PM
May 2023

Cause it seems there are witnesses and physical evidence. Broken subpoenas. False assertions. Do we need to see Donald Trump with secret dossiers stuffed out of his pockets walking into the Saudi embassy?

Tommy Carcetti

(43,163 posts)
19. He wasn't the President when he was knowingly moving around classified documents.
Thu May 25, 2023, 03:23 PM
May 2023

Documents that he almost certainly shouldn't have had in his personal possession in the first place.

maxsolomon

(33,276 posts)
28. What I'm saying is that when * did this or that doesn't matter.
Thu May 25, 2023, 05:01 PM
May 2023

There's little real harm done by his hoarding/theft/imaginary declassification; no evidence (yet) that any of it went anywhere or that any intelligence was compromised. He took it because he's possessive, and he was hurt and angry. He is a small man with a small mind; his motives are banal.

But the DOJ does not want to put a former POTUS in jail. Even if it's richly deserved. Garland is far too Institutionalist; he'll do everything he can to avoid it.

New York, or Fulton County? TBD.

Novara

(5,837 posts)
15. What he did in showing them to others is no different than...
Thu May 25, 2023, 02:46 PM
May 2023

... what Jack Teixeira did by posting shit on Reddit. And he's sitting in prison right now.

LiberalFighter

(50,829 posts)
16. The evidence is growing against him.
Thu May 25, 2023, 02:51 PM
May 2023

I would love to see the rest of the family prosecuted too since they are accessories. IMO

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
47. I like this, made me chuckle - even though it's slightly disrespectful
Fri May 26, 2023, 01:30 PM
May 2023

I never had anything against Ivana. The man she married turned out to be a world-class asshole, but how is that her fault? As I understand it, she married a couple-three guys after Chump and they all turned out to be assholes. But she never changed her name after the first asshole, I guess for the sake of her (pathetic) children.

msfiddlestix

(7,272 posts)
40. Anyone here surprised at any time? Who didn't intuitively know this would happen?
Fri May 26, 2023, 09:00 AM
May 2023

Who doesn't know removing evidence in advance of evidence gathering operation from any law enforcement agency is

standard MO when criminals are informed in advance?

Oh wait. never mind.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

RussBLib

(9,006 posts)
42. Welcome to DU!
Fri May 26, 2023, 11:34 AM
May 2023

Fortunately there is someone "on the inside" at Mara Lardo that is spilling some of the beans. Looks like Jack Smith is closing in on the Orange One. Even held a "dress rehearsal" to practice hiding boxes from the DOJ? Wow, that's really thumbing your nose at justice.

Red Pest

(288 posts)
48. Interesting wording from Trump's spokesman Steven Cheung: "fake hoaxes"
Fri May 26, 2023, 01:37 PM
May 2023

To quote from the Washington Post:

Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesman, wrote in a statement. “Just like all the other fake hoaxes thrown at President Trump, this corrupt effort will also fail.”

So, if they are fake hoaxes, that would indicate what the government is stating the truth.

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
49. It proves they knew it was illegal - acknowledgment of guilt
Fri May 26, 2023, 01:40 PM
May 2023
BRDS - thank you for the gifted article!

They've got the goods on the Chump workers. Now the question is, will they shut up and go to jail like good little employees? Or will they turn on their boss and spill the beans? I have no doubt he's waving the signed NDAs in their faces, because that's his standard M.O.

BumRushDaShow

(128,727 posts)
51. I think in this case
Fri May 26, 2023, 02:00 PM
May 2023

that is what DOJ has to determine - how many and exactly who participated in this and then decide what to charge them with. This would be a judgement call requiring they can show that these participants knowingly attempted to obstruct or were innocently caught up in the scheme as workers who "did as they were told" without any conception of doing so being "illegal". This is all ancillary to 45's involvement, but it adds to what type of testimony is needed and types of documentation that might have to be gathered, to make those determinations.

(and I keep forgetting that both the NYT and WaPo offer 10 "free" gift links per month but I try to find non-paywalled stuff to make it easier in any case )

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