China defends buzzing American warship in Taiwan Strait, accuses US of provoking Beijing

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By DAVID RISING today

SINGAPORE (AP) — China’s defense minister defended sailing a warship across the path of an American destroyer and Canadian frigate transiting the Taiwan Strait, telling a gathering of some of the world’s top defense officials in Singapore on Sunday that such so-called “freedom of navigation” patrols are a provocation to China.

In his first international public address since becoming defense minister in March, Gen. Li Shangfu told the Shangri-La Dialogue that China doesn’t have any problems with “innocent passage” but that “we must prevent attempts that try to use those freedom of navigation (patrols), that innocent passage, to exercise hegemony of navigation.”

U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told the same forum Saturday that Washington would not “flinch in the face of bullying or coercion” from China and would continue regularly sailing through and flying over the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea to emphasize they are international waters, countering Beijing’s sweeping territorial claims.

That same day, as a U.S. guided-missile destroyer and a Canadian frigate were intercepted by a Chinese warship as they transited the strait between the self-governed island of Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, and mainland China. The Chinese vessel overtook the American ship and then veered across its bow at a distance of 150 yards (about 140 meters) in an “unsafe manner,” according to the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command.




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[EX500rider]

1. "Exercise hegemony of navigation."

🤣

[Alexander Of Assyria]

2. AP reliably spinning anything into provocations, ignoring all the contrary signals...it's their job!

China isn’t rising, it’s already arisen, and it’s only a problem to former colonialist nations.

India and China are merely being restored to their historical pinnacles atop the civilized world…inevitable as they have an abundance of the planets greatest resource by far…people…highly educated…People!

Don’t, American media and Pentgon…make it all yet another problem to justify the beating of military war drums and boosting budgets…so don’t let the tail wag the dog…again!

Yes, understood, all stakeholders in any nation try to stand their ground, and budgets. Civilian taxpayers that fund all the stakeholders..are in control of that though…aren’t they? Hard to tell as the Pentgon budget is barely mentioned, let alone debated!!

Cant let a war department budget debate breakout!

[stopdiggin]

14. so .. then you endorse China's expansive

territorial (and maritime) claims?
(that of essential sovereignty over the South China Sea?)

just looking for an accurate take here.

[edhopper]

21. So you think the nation of Taiwan

and all the seas around it belong to China? The people of Taiwan have no say in this?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

32. For 1000 Yuan, what is a strawman Alex!?

[EX500rider]

33. What strawman?

This happened in the Taiwan Straits, does that belong to Communist China somehow?

[edhopper]

36. thank you

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. Can you please explain what strawman?

I know you're all in for China, but accusing another long time DU'er of strawmanning should require an explanation of the actual accusation.

[edhopper]

37. Thanks

[MarineCombatEngineer]

24. LOfuckingL.

China good, USA bad.
Yeah, we get it, you are all in for China.

[dalton99a]

3. Fuck China.

Belligerent land-grabbing thieves

[Alexander Of Assyria]

4. What land have they grabbed lately, compared to colonialists of the West?

The Pacific is dotted with American land grabbing!

Europe took most of the rest of the land far far away from their shores…

[David__77]

5. Indeed, it's hilarious.

Iraq, Panama, Syria, Grenada… coups, subversion.

The people of the world aren’t that stupid.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

8. Western Projection...look away from our land grabs, already done, be concerned about others

possible imaginary grabs! Projection more effective propaganda technique if mixed with dose of hypocrisy.

[EX500rider]

11. Are all those countries still independent unlike Tibet?

[David__77]

19. Unlike Hawaii.

…

[EX500rider]

20. 130 years ago? How long ago was Tibet? nt

[David__77]

22. Haha 130 year statute of limitations.

…

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. So, no intelligent counter point?

[David__77]

27. So, no intelligent counter point?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. You tell me,

you're the one refusing to provide an intelligent counter point, not me.

BTW, nice dodge.

[EX500rider]

29. Well when you got nothing you have to grab at straws...lol

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. So true.

Waiting with baited breath for an answer, but not expecting anything intelligent.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. Soooo.... no intelligent counterpoint?

Yeah, kinda figured that.

[EX500rider]

31. The post we were responding to: "What land have they grabbed lately?"

Well 1950 for Tibet is a lot more lately then the 1800's

[EX500rider]

10. Lately? What land has the West taken "lately"?

China?

Conquering Xinjiang, absorbing the then-Second East Turkestan Republic with help from Stalin, before conquering Tibet in 1950 and crushing a later uprising.

China and India fought a border war in 1962, where China gained Aksai Chin and stampeded into Arunachal Pradesh (called South Tibet in China), before retreating from the latter over increasing turmoil.

Before that, China also sought to take over Taiwan, then under the authority of the rival Republic of China, causing the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis, but was unsuccessful due to American threats in response.

China also sought to take over Sikkim in 1967, but it was unsuccessful. A Chinese map published in 1961 showed China claiming territories in Bhutan, Nepal and the Kingdom of Sikkim.

In 1974, China launched its first naval expedition to reclaim the Paracel Islands and defeated the 50-strong South Vietnamese occupation force. Tensions triggered between China and later unified communist Vietnam led to the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979. China and Vietnam later fought another bitter skirmish in the South China Sea in 1988, resulting in China's consolidation of some disputed islands.

The South China Sea disputes involve both island and maritime claims of China and the claims of several neighboring sovereign states in the region, namely Brunei, the Republic of China (ROC/Taiwan), Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam. The disputes are over islands, reefs, banks, and other features in the South China Sea, including the Spratly Islands, Paracel Islands, Scarborough Shoal, boundaries in the Gulf of Tonkin and the waters near the Indonesian Natuna Islands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism

Yes, just cuddly Panda Bears, aren't they?

[stopdiggin]

16. but, but, but .. western imperialism! colonialism!

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[617Blue]

6. Games Without Frontiers Peter Gabriel

All this silly bullshit. Xi throwing poo like a monkey. The real goal is keeping control of his own people and maintaining authoritarian regime.

[McKim]

7. More Hostility and Stupidity!

So we have not been agressive? We are building six new military bases in the South Pacific. Preparing for a war with China is the stupidest idea to be floated in years. Sometimes the Cold War mentality will get us nowhere.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

9. The Cold War mentality is hot baked into the Pentagon. No war, no cash! Understandable.

No Russia as a foil…bring on China! It’s so painfully obvious they should just stop it all and make China more than just a massive trading partner….go all the way and make China peace partner…everyone will benefit…but the war hawks and their media mouthpieces, ofc…we can live with it.

How many times are the American public willing to be dupes for war and the fiscally unaccountable and politically Untouchable government of the Pentagon?

Follow the cash trail…taxpayer to weapons…so many obsolete conventional war spending being clung to by old military war horses.

A swarm of million dollar drones can take out an 10B dollar aircraft carrier…what’s the point of these white elephants plying all the high seas…other than projection of power and bullying the smaller nations of the world?

Anyone who can read a world map sees the relics of colonial possession strewn throughout the world, and none belong to China…Hong Kong no longer in the cash cow coffers of the West… was really painful!

[EX500rider]

15. "what's the point of these white elephants plying all the high seas"

Maybe ask China?


As of 2022, the PLAN has two combat-ready aircraft carriers, the Liaoning and Shandong, with the third, Fujian, being fitted out. Wang Yunfei, a retired PLA Navy officer and other naval experts projected that China may possess five or six aircraft carriers by the 2030s.

[Voltaire2]

17. and how many aircraft carriers do we have?

"As of 2021, there are an estimated 46 aircraft/helicopter carriers in service worldwide. The United States has 11 aircraft carriers and 9 "helo" carriers, nearly as many as all other countries combined, followed by Japan and France, each with four."

Criticizing China for doing exactly what we have been doing is simply hypocrisy.

[EX500rider]

18. I'd didn't criticize having carriers at all.

Just pointed out that China does not seem to see them as "white elephants" as the poster said of the US ones.

[EX500rider]

13. How many bases has China built in the South China Sea on land International Court says is not theirs

And dredging in and filling and destroying fragile coral reefs in the process.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

25. Oh, I just knew I would find you here backing your buddy.

Doesn't matter that China is declaring that the S. China Sea is their sovereign territory and has built military bases on artificial islands and are harassing air and sea traffic in international waters.
no, no, no, according to you and your buddy, everything China good, everything US/NATO bad.
I would ask if you're a mouth piece for China, but that would be a call out and I don't want a hide.

Soo transparent.

[Irish_Dem]

12. China wants control of the South China Sea and the entire Pacific.

It must have regional control before it can claim global superpower status.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. "You provoked us"

Same kind of excuse a domestic abuser uses.

[Sparky 1]

38. Thank Reagan

A lot of us foresaw this back when Reagan first sent our manufacturing and millions of jobs to China, no doubt spurred on by wealthy business owners who cared more about profits than about their country and fellow Americans. Now China makes just about every commodity (and most of it garbage) and we make just about none (we used to make high quality). They're in a position to hurt us very badly. They want to rule the world and they're well on the way to doing it. No wonder rethugs are smooching up to dictators. They created this monster.

[dalton99a]

39. US releases video showing close-call in Taiwan Strait with Chinese destroyer

https://apnews.com/article/us-china-taiwan-strait-489a45bb6df134fa09443d285b3f8669

US releases video showing close-call in Taiwan Strait with Chinese destroyer
By DAVID RISING

BANGKOK (AP) — The United States military released video Monday of what it called an “unsafe” Chinese maneuver in the Taiwan Strait on the weekend, in which a Chinese navy ship cut sharply across the path of an American destroyer, forcing the U.S. vessel to slow to avoid a collision.

The incident occurred Saturday as the American destroyer USS Chung-Hoon and Canadian frigate HMCS Montreal were conducting a so-called “freedom of navigation” transit of the strait between Taiwan and mainland China.

China claims the democratic self-governing island of Taiwan as part of its own territory, and maintains the strait is part of its exclusive economic zone, while the U.S. and its allies regularly sail through and fly over the passage to emphasize their contention that the waters are international.

During the Saturday transit, the Chinese guided-missile destroyer overtook the Chung-Hoon on its port side, then veered across its bow at a distance of some 150 yards (137 meters), according to the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command. The American destroyer held its course, but reduced speed to 10 knots “to avoid a collision,” the military said.

The video released Monday shows the Chinese ship cutting across the course of the American one, then straightening out to start sailing in a parallel direction.