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BumRushDaShow

(128,519 posts)
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 04:11 PM Jun 2023

Mar-a-Lago pool flood raises suspicions among prosecutors in Trump classified documents case

Source: CNN Politics

Washington CNN — An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN. While it’s unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake, the incident occurred amid a series of events that federal prosecutors found suspicious.

At least one witness has been asked by prosecutors about the flooded server room as part of the federal investigation into Trump’s handling of classified documents, according to one of the sources. The incident, which has not been previously reported, came roughly two months after the FBI retrieved hundreds of classified documents from the Florida residence and as prosecutors obtained surveillance footage to track how White House records were moved around the resort.

Prosecutors have been examining any effort to obstruct the Justice Department’s investigation after Trump received a subpoena in May 2022 for classified documents. Prosecutors have heard testimony that the IT equipment in the room was not damaged in the flood, according to one source.

Yet the flooded room as well as conversations and actions by Trump’s employees while the criminal investigation bore down on the club has caught the attention of prosecutors. The circumstances may factor into a possible obstruction conspiracy case, multiple sources tell CNN, as investigators try to determine whether the events of last year around Mar-a-Lago indicate that Trump or a small group of people working for him, took steps to try to interfere with the Justice Department’s evidence-gathering.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/05/politics/mar-a-lago-pool-flood-suspicions-prosecutors-trump-investigation-classified-documents/index.html



Full headline: Exclusive: Mar-a-Lago pool flood raises suspicions among prosecutors in Trump classified documents case
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Mar-a-Lago pool flood raises suspicions among prosecutors in Trump classified documents case (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 OP
Shocked, shocked!!! hatrack Jun 2023 #1
And I think I know where he got the idea. peppertree Jun 2023 #45
Oh, gee, it's never the baby pics of Ivanka and the two clowns! Oh no, it was the servers.... machoneman Jun 2023 #2
Well, they're not much on family photos that they took or paid for ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #46
Impressive. Coincidence takes a lot of planning. Hekate Jun 2023 #3
A crime a minute Joinfortmill Jun 2023 #4
Pools may go green from lack of main/chemicals and require... brush Jun 2023 #44
If they snaked the drain I'd be interested to see what they found. captain queeg Jun 2023 #5
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the words "pool flood." ShazzieB Jun 2023 #24
Could you imagine digging thru a knot of papers mixed in wifb his shit captain queeg Jun 2023 #30
OMG, ewwwww! 🤣 ShazzieB Jun 2023 #31
That psychopath is willing to do anything xabriel Jun 2023 #6
Welcome to DU, xabriel! calimary Jun 2023 #14
I'm trying to figure out how this happens. intheflow Jun 2023 #7
Why should draining the pool flood anything ? rickford66 Jun 2023 #15
So was there a fall over backup server? NotASurfer Jun 2023 #8
How conveeeenient. Destruction of your own video. Gee might have been incriminating. n/t Evolve Dammit Jun 2023 #9
Polygraph him clouds Jun 2023 #10
Welcome to DU, clouds! calimary Jun 2023 #16
Thx Mary clouds Jun 2023 #22
Ahhhh... the strong silent type... calimary Jun 2023 #23
Welcome, clouds. LoisB Jun 2023 #27
Psychopaths are notorious for beating lie detector tests ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #47
He should be booted from M a L. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2023 #11
Nope I want it seized by DOC as his prison. I want his golf Volaris Jun 2023 #19
convenient republianmushroom Jun 2023 #12
Convenient Coincidence. Cui Bono ? Captain Zero Jun 2023 #33
Trump controls. Turbineguy Jun 2023 #13
Oh, c'mon. Orange Don would never destroy evidence. Vinca Jun 2023 #17
A pool's plumbing system is a closed loop system. Botany Jun 2023 #18
So when you drain a pool, where is the water supposed to go? ShazzieB Jun 2023 #26
(Repeat of Reply 37 As It Drains) Fully Draining A Swimming Pool kabi knit Jun 2023 #38
What a fine mess Diarrhea Donny has made Blue Owl Jun 2023 #20
Swimming pool drain suction entrapment accidents have occurred across the Backseat Driver Jun 2023 #28
Servers? Fucking really? Aviation Pro Jun 2023 #21
My favorite line in the article may be this one. ShazzieB Jun 2023 #25
Who among us moniss Jun 2023 #29
Must have been a good reason to drain the pool. usonian Jun 2023 #32
Rudy G been swimming in the pool! Captain Zero Jun 2023 #34
"While it's unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake," Novara Jun 2023 #35
Destruction of evidence is a 20-year prison sentence. Novara Jun 2023 #36
Fully Draining A Swimming Pool kabi knit Jun 2023 #37
Storyline: It was a NEW, inexperienced employee live love laugh Jun 2023 #40
Understood :: And Thank You For Your Kind Response (n/t) kabi knit Jun 2023 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author live love laugh Jun 2023 #42
So surveillance video logs Farmer-Rick Jun 2023 #39
Standard practice is to pump the water directly into a computer room IronLionZion Jun 2023 #43
*takes a deep breath* Hong Kong Cavalier Jun 2023 #48

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
45. And I think I know where he got the idea.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 05:02 PM
Jun 2023

In February, a major pipe happened to break just above the offices of Silvio Robles, right-hand man of the Argentine Chief Justice. The leak happened to be mostly over Robles' computer and server room.

Both he and the Chief Justice are currently under investigation for corruption and influence peddling.

And I know Trump follows Argentine news (as well as he can), and is in frequent communication with his pal Macri.

machoneman

(3,999 posts)
2. Oh, gee, it's never the baby pics of Ivanka and the two clowns! Oh no, it was the servers....
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 04:13 PM
Jun 2023

...that can help indict TFG. Anyone think this is a coincidence?

Nawh!

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
46. Well, they're not much on family photos that they took or paid for
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:35 PM
Jun 2023

So, no, no pictures of Ivanka and the two clowns (could apply to her parents or siblings).

brush

(53,743 posts)
44. Pools may go green from lack of main/chemicals and require...
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 04:13 PM
Jun 2023
draining. They don't flood like a sink with a stopped up drain.

Such bullshit.

captain queeg

(10,103 posts)
5. If they snaked the drain I'd be interested to see what they found.
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 04:25 PM
Jun 2023

We know the idiot was fond of flushing documents.

captain queeg

(10,103 posts)
30. Could you imagine digging thru a knot of papers mixed in wifb his shit
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:22 AM
Jun 2023

You’d have to be a pretty dedicated agent

ShazzieB

(16,285 posts)
31. OMG, ewwwww! 🤣
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:47 AM
Jun 2023

I was eating when I read that, too! Don't worry, I'm fine. It just kicked the gross out factor up a couple notches for a moment there!

calimary

(81,126 posts)
14. Welcome to DU, xabriel!
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 05:17 PM
Jun 2023

Glad you're here! You may be just in time for the celebrations to start. Ours will begin with the first indictment announcements! I may go for broke and lift a glass full of real, full-sugar Coca-Cola!

intheflow

(28,443 posts)
7. I'm trying to figure out how this happens.
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 04:29 PM
Jun 2023

Are the servers kept right next to the pool area? Are the servers in a room that regularly floods when water appears outside? Are the servers stored outside? Like, how could this happen accidentally?

NotASurfer

(2,146 posts)
8. So was there a fall over backup server?
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 04:36 PM
Jun 2023

Or an archive copy of those logs? Mr. If-I-Smash-Then-They-Can't-Arrest-Me might just conceivably think that flooding a computer room magically destroys all copies, just by thinking about it.

calimary

(81,126 posts)
16. Welcome to DU, clouds!
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 05:22 PM
Jun 2023

Yes indeedy! "donald, if you've done nothing wrong, then you should have nothing to hide."

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
47. Psychopaths are notorious for beating lie detector tests
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:41 PM
Jun 2023

They don't have the same physical response to lying that normal people do.

They're the people who could get pulled over by the cops and be as calm as can be...while they have a victim tied up in the car boot. Cops wouldn't even pick up on any fear response--which should tell them to look more closely, because most people show signs of stress, at least, when pulled over.

Not psychopaths.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,088 posts)
11. He should be booted from M a L.
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 04:43 PM
Jun 2023

He's leasing it I think. He's broken plenty of rules there. Even if he remained under house arrest for the remaining years he has, being evicted would be divine justice.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
19. Nope I want it seized by DOC as his prison. I want his golf
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 05:40 PM
Jun 2023

greens bricked over with the names of the covid dead he killed (that can be their national monument). I want the dozers doing this while he's still alive, stuck there, banned from all social media. He can die rich, but I do want him to suffer.

ShazzieB

(16,285 posts)
26. So when you drain a pool, where is the water supposed to go?
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 06:54 PM
Jun 2023

Maybe I'm looking at the diagram wrong, but I can't tell. In any case, it was a very thing to have happen, no?

kabi knit

(132 posts)
38. (Repeat of Reply 37 As It Drains) Fully Draining A Swimming Pool
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 08:51 AM
Jun 2023

Does NOT involve using the in-place pool equipment; the existing pool gear is shut down (turned off) completely.

Then, a unique drain pump (with connected drain hose) is placed at the lowest point in the pool whereupon the opposite end of the drain hose is normally placed into a sump or overflow area (as in the nearby street curbing drain).

The drain pump, then runs (electrically) until all of the water is 'pumped' out of the pool and into a drain area.

Backseat Driver

(4,381 posts)
28. Swimming pool drain suction entrapment accidents have occurred across the
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 07:13 PM
Jun 2023

nation, and the world. Honestly, I put nothing past TFG in covering up something else vengeful going on! After all, he partied with Epstein in the past. Now evidence goes missing and pool maintenance services are cited as a possible excuse to move around variously classified stolen documents, copies, or digitally saved on computers beneath or aside the Mar-a-lago swimming pool?

https://californiainjuryaccidentlawyer.com/hot-tub-and-swimming-pool-drain-suction-entrapment-accidents

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2002/06/19/james-baker-iiis-grandchild-dies-in-whirlpool/f9f92d4f-f5fd-4c44-a74c-7337a7b4ecad/

ShazzieB

(16,285 posts)
25. My favorite line in the article may be this one.
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 06:52 PM
Jun 2023
Prosecutors have heard testimony that the IT equipment in the room was not damaged in the flood, according to one source.

So if he was trying to destroy evidence, he evidently failed completely! Pretty damned funny, considering.

moniss

(4,183 posts)
29. Who among us
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 11:28 PM
Jun 2023

hasn't accidentally drained their pool into their storage rooms and closets? This is like the Rosemary Stretch. My thought to say to Rosemary would be "If the phone rang wouldn't it be normal to roll your chair back to the phone and have your conversation rather than doing a contortionist move and supposedly hitting the wrong button on the tape machine? But then again I'm silly enough to think that you should drain a pool into a drain rather than into a closet or storage area.

Novara

(5,822 posts)
35. "While it's unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake,"
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 07:47 AM
Jun 2023

Yeah, I'm having a hard time understanding how a room gets flooded when draining a pool unless someone ran a hose into said room.

kabi knit

(132 posts)
37. Fully Draining A Swimming Pool
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 08:38 AM
Jun 2023

Does NOT involve using the in-place pool equipment; the existing pool gear is shut down (turned off) completely.

Then, a unique drain pump (with connected drain hose) is placed at the lowest point in the pool whereupon the opposite end of the drain hose is normally placed into a sump or overflow area (as in the nearby street curbing drain).

The drain pump, then runs (electrically) until all of the water is 'pumped' out of the pool and into a drain area.

Response to kabi knit (Reply #41)

Farmer-Rick

(10,140 posts)
39. So surveillance video logs
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 09:08 AM
Jun 2023

were damaged and destroyed and now you can't tell who came to visit TFG while he was showing off classified information.

The incident came roughly two months after the FBI retrieved hundreds of classified documents from Florida. But prosecutors had already obtained surveillance footage.

Sooooo, it makes you think he sold off some more stolen documents that he didn't want the FBI to know about.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
43. Standard practice is to pump the water directly into a computer room
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 01:07 PM
Jun 2023

since it is very important to drain a pool in Florida since the winters are too warm and pleasant for swimming. You would know that important fact if they hadn't banned those books from Florida schools.

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