A woman has been taken into custody 4 days after Ajike 'AJ' Owens was fatally shot after knocking

[SunSeeker]

Source: CNN

A woman was taken into custody Tuesday night in connection with the death of 35-year-old Ajike “AJ” Owens, who was fatally shot last week in central Florida after knocking on a neighbor’s door, a sheriff’s office spokesperson said.

Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods told reporters Monday his office was rigorously investigating the case, and that authorities were working to determine “whether the deadly force was justified or not.”

Owens’ relatives have said they want the person who killed her arrested and charged.

They say the shooter, identified by police reports only as a 58-year-old White woman, harassed the Black mother and her children and had called them racial slurs prior to Friday’s killing in Marion County outside Ocala.



Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-shot-what-we-know/index.html

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Looks like the Sheriff was finally shamed into doing something, but it's not clear what if any charges there will be. The woman shot and killed AJ Owens through a closed door.

[live love laugh]

1. WTF Amerikkka‼️ Orphaned her kids.

[SunSeeker]

2. The KKKaren short her dead while AJ's 9 year old stood next to her.

[BigmanPigman]

3. She'll end up having a street, school and park named after her

After all, this IS Florida that we are talking about. She'll be a "hero" like Kyle Rittenhouse.

[Grins]

47. She's going to get off.

I’m already convinced she will get away with murder.
Florida’s idiotic “Stand Your Ground” law.
The NRA and the Reich-wing will pay her attorney’s fees.

[ShazzieB]

4. So how much longer are they going to keep this woman's identity a deep, dark secret?

She's a criminal, not a victim. Enough already.

[keopeli]

6. Until the Sheriff finally arrests her, I would imagine...which could be never. n/t

[ShazzieB]

11. Isn't that what "taken into custody" means?

I thought that was just another way of saying someone was arrested. But now that you mention it, the article isn't very clear. I'm confused!

[SunSeeker]

13. They took her into custody to interview her, then released her.

When she got back home to her apartment, she tore down the memorial the community had put up for AJ:

Jai Riggins also posted an Instagram story of the alleged killer being escorted back home by the police. The story also revealed that the woman allegedly took down AJ Owen's memorial.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-aj-owens-shooter-s-identity-photo-revealed-family-victim-demands-justice

[FailureToCommunicate]

27. Of COURSE they released her.

She white.

[SunSeeker]

60. They were shamed into charging her. She is now being held in jail.

She has been charged with manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-charged-fatally-shooting-neighbor-history-harassing-children-res-rcna88138

It should have been a murder charge, but at least she's in jail.

[Bengus81]

64. Being held without bond,good news there

Those kids were NOT in her "yard" as many sources have reported,they were in an empty lot. She doesn't even own the place and that's part of the no bond (along with no job) because they figure she'll blow town.

[SunSeeker]

65. Good!

I hope jailing her sends a clear message to would-be Zimmermans out there that this shit is murder/manslaughter that will get them put in jail.

[SunSeeker]

12. The family identified the shooter as Susan Lorincz.

AJ Owens' family said her kids were playing in a field near an apartment complex when their neighbor, Susan Lorincz, called them racial slurs and yelled at them to get off her land. The kids ran away but accidentally forgot to take an iPad, which the lady took. When AJ's 10-year-old boy came back to retrieve it, she threw a skate at the child.

AJ Owens' mother, Pamela Dias, stated in an interview with MSNBC that this was not the first incident involving this particular neighbor, as confrontations with her had happened numerous times. Sheriff Billy Woods also confirmed in a press conference that police had been called to the address around six to eight times in two and a half years.

On June 6, 2023, the family and friends of AJ Owens held a press conference to demand Justice for AJ. Pamela Dias narrated what had happened and revealed that Susan Lorincz had harassed her grandchildren by calling them profanities like "The N-Word," "The B-Word," and "Slaves" before taking the life of her daughter, who never posed any imminent threat to anyone.

One of AJ's friends also spoke in the press conference about how the landlord had allowed children to play on the field as long as they cleaned up after themselves. Therefore, as a tenant, Susan did not have the authority to ask them to leave. She also stated that the community will not sleep or rest until justice was served.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-aj-owens-shooter-s-identity-photo-revealed-family-victim-demands-justice

[Hekate]

19. Now it is -- no doubt an enterprising reporter found it quite quickly

[babylonsister]

26. She was identified on local news this a.m. in FL.

Susan Louise Lorincz, 58, was arrested for Manslaughter with a Firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault. Investigators say 35-year-old A.J. Owens confronted the neighbor for throwing a skate at her children. Owens went and knocked on that neighbor's door and was ultimately shot through it.3 hours ago

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

53. if someone knew the street address and the county name

the name of the owner(s) would be listed on the tax rolls. Not saying she is the owner but.................

[C Moon]

5. To me, this sounds like the police's initial reaction to Ahmaud Arbery's murder.

Makes me wonder how much of this has gone on over the decades.

[SunSeeker]

9. The family repeatedly called the Sheriff on the KKKaren, but the Sheriff did nothing.

Then the Sheriff has the nerve to say the family should have called his office before going to the woman's house to retrieve the iPad the KKKaren took from the kids. Fucking sickening.

A picture of the KKKaren was posted by a family member of Owens' at the link:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-aj-owens-shooter-s-identity-photo-revealed-family-victim-demands-justice

Also at that sportskeeda.com link:

AJ Owens' mother, Pamela Dias, stated in an interview with MSNBC that this was not the first incident involving this particular neighbor, as confrontations with her had happened numerous times. Sheriff Billy Woods also confirmed in a press conference that police had been called to the address around six to eight times in two and a half years.

[Cha]

48. So That's why AJ knocked on

the door.

So incredibly sad.. Mahalo, Sunseeker.





https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217977625

[SunSeeker]

56. When AJ's kid had tried to get his iPad back, Lorincz threw a skate at him.

AJ Owens' family said her kids were playing in a field near an apartment complex when their neighbor, Susan Lorincz, called them racial slurs and yelled at them to get off her land. The kids ran away but accidentally forgot to take an iPad, which the lady took. When AJ's 10-year-old boy came back to retrieve it, she threw a skate at the child.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-aj-owens-shooter-s-identity-photo-revealed-family-victim-demands-justice

And it's not Lorincz's land. As AJ's family explains at the above link, the field belongs to the owner of the apartment complex, Lorincz is only a renter there. The landlord had given the kids permission to play on the field.

[Cha]

57. Mahalo, SunSeeker.. it's

just too heartbreakingly sad all the things that led to AJ Owens being murdered by that Evil *****

I wish they would lock her up and throw away the GD key.

Her poor kids.. I hope they do a Go Fund Me for them.

And, I just read the little 9 year old blames himself.

Children of Black Florida mother who was killed after knocking on neighbor’s door consumed with guilt over her death

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-neighbor-shooting-wednesday/index.html

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

24. I agree 100% with your comment about Aubery's murder.

As for your second comment, the murders of the civil rights workers in Philadelphia, Mississippi in 1964 and Emmett Till immediately come to mind. And that is because they hit the national news; how many thousands were kept hush-hush on a local level?

[electric_blue68]

54. Probably many terrible stories, and known only to family, friends, neighbors.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. In front of her children

They could easily have been shot too...

[SunSeeker]

14. It's a miracle her 9 year old wasn't shot. He was standing right next to her. nt

[Rhiannon12866]

15. That, too! Good Grief!

And her neighbors said that he had a history of threats, but nothing was done...

[SunSeeker]

16. Yup. They had called the police 6-8 times on the KKKaren, but nothing was done.

AJ Owens' mother, Pamela Dias, stated in an interview with MSNBC that this was not the first incident involving this particular neighbor, as confrontations with her had happened numerous times. Sheriff Billy Woods also confirmed in a press conference that police had been called to the address around six to eight times in two and a half years.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/news-aj-owens-shooter-s-identity-photo-revealed-family-victim-demands-justice

[Rhiannon12866]

17. I watched the interviews on with Joy Reid, I felt especially terrible for the young boy

His Mom said that because she was working, Ms. Owens took him to sign up for sports and gave him rides there. Meanwhile, her son was sitting right next to her, that poor kid!

[SunSeeker]

58. AJ's 9 and 12 year old sons blame themselves for her death. It's heartbreaking.

The 9-year-old boy, who witnessed the shooting, blames himself because he first told his mom the neighbor had confronted him and his siblings.

“In his soul, in his heart, it’s his fault that his older brother, his baby sister and his baby brother, as well as himself, will never see their mother again,” Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, told reporters Wednesday.

Dias, who spoke at a news conference a day after a 58-year-old woman was arrested in connection with the death, said another child also blamed himself because he was unable to perform CPR on his mother.

“Grandma, grandma. I couldn’t save her,” Dias recalled the 12-year-old boy telling her.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-neighbor-shooting-wednesday/index.html

These boys not only lost their mother because of this horrible Susan Louise Lorincz, but they blame themselves. Can you imagine how much pain they must be in?

[Rhiannon12866]

59. Good Grief, those poor kids!

You'd think that nothing could be as bad as losing their mother, but blaming themselves is worse.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

8. It is sad that it took so long to take this person into custody

[2naSalit]

10. About fucking time!

[Warpy]

18. They'll bend over backwards for the murderous old dame

against a neighbor who came armed only with words and holding the hand of a nine year old child.

"Afraid," my flabby old white ass.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

25. The one good thing is that this is now on a national level.

This will be heavily scrutinized and a lot of incriminating details are likely to come out. And a lot of heat will be placed on the local law enforcement to do their jobs correctly. Not to mention that there is a history of racial abuse which means this should be prosecuted as a hate crime, also.

[irisblue]

20. Local TV station says Woman arrested in connection to shooting death of Ajike 'AJ' Owens

Source-https://www.wcjb.com/2023/06/07/woman-arrested-connection-shooting-death-ajike-aj-owens/

snip-"Sheriff Billy Woods commented on the arrest, thanking his detectives for their work in the investigation."

snip-"Ms. Lorincz’s fate is now in the hands of the judicial system which I trust will deliver justice in due course,” Woods said.

Lorincz was charged with manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault.

more there

[irisblue]

21. WaPo gift article

https://wapo.st/3CdZSWc


snip-"Susan Louise Lorincz, 58, was charged Tuesday with manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery, and two counts of assault, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office said."

snip-"Following a Major Crimes Unit investigation — which included interviews with Owens’s children and other witnesses and uncovered surveillance footage and other forensic and digital evidence — detectives concluded that “over a period of time, Lorincz had become angry at Owens’ children, who were playing in a field close to her home.”

On Friday night, according to the sheriff’s office, Lorincz “engaged in an argument with the children and was overhead yelling at them by a neighbor,” throwing a roller skate at Owens’s 10-year-old son that hit him in the toe. She also swung at Owens’s son and his brother with an umbrella when they attempted to speak to her, the office said. When the children notified their mother, “Owens approached Lorincz’s home, knocked on the door multiple times, and demanded that Lorincz come outside,” the sheriff’s office said."


More there

[mwb970]

22. Conservatives are turning into animals right in front of us.

I think I liked it better when they were toddlers.

[ancianita]

23. Being allowed to 'stand your ground' with children and their mothers overturns rule of law & justice

The sheriff and DA were forced by the community to enforce the law, which they'd have done immediately if the races were reversed.

Thanks for the update.

[jaxexpat]

34. ".....if the races were reversed." LEO's would have acted much quicker and energetically.

There would have been too many cops doing too much bullying, being too afraid for their safety. Someone may have reached a breaking point and acting out. That could have caused a reaction which would have been too much for the cops who'd call for more cops. Someone's property may then get damaged, and the media would talk of a riot while guns get drawn and open warfare starts in the street.

The sheriff may well have been acting prudently, playing the scenario out in his head, opting to allowing a time for hearts to quit racing and passions to calm a bit before returning to the scene and arresting the murderer.

BTW, if this were to become a George Floyd moment it would then be upon the Biden people to bring order, no one else can because too many don't even want to. These are tense times and way too many folks have guns without guidance. Imagine waking up from your Fox induced coma to find you've bought a gun you can't afford for a reason that doesn't make sense and committed a homicide you don't understand.

[ancianita]

38. Detailed EXACTLY.

Maybe that's what the sheriff really was - prudent. But I don't think he'd have been prudent if the races were reversed. Not that one. Not in Ocala.

[jaxexpat]

46. There would have been more calculation on the sheriff's part had the races been reversed.

Closer to a draw probably.
and so let's check in as our intrepid sheriff's mind runs along, all awhir.........
option 1. Lemme see. I could leave the neighborhood alone and delay arresting the black lady out of prudence? I'll never get re-elected.
option 2. I could do what my daddy shore wood'a done. Go in armed for bear, tempers, crosses and shot guns blazing, and there's a possibility, however slight, I could end up in a federal prison. Depends on whether my deputies are off their meds again that day. Dang minimum wage. And dang cell phone cameras, too. I could call on the governor, he's a true believer when it comes to supporting the crazies, but he's in Iowa again (or New Hampshire, all the Yankee states look the same).

[ancianita]

50. LOL I see it!

Given what's actually happened, either inner racist drama is more exciting than just doing the right thing.
Better living with racist drama than boring equality.

[gab13by13]

28. She will go on tour with Kyle Rittenhouse.

Fox News will sing her praises.

[leftyladyfrommo]

29. What an awful thought. nt

[Ray Bruns]

30. When do we get to the part where she says she's not racist because she has a black friend?

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

62. I don't know if she has any friends.

Looking at her picture as they led her away, she looks like a truly miserable, hateful person. Lock her the hell up and make every one of those charges stick.

[Ray Bruns]

63. I am sure she has a black friend. Now wether or not that person knows is another matter.

[BumRushDaShow]

31. As a note, Joy Reid had a neighbor on who lived across from the shooter

and apparently all of the properties around there (including that of the shooter, the victim, and the guest) are rented and are part of an "apartment complex", so the "field" is not "owned" by residents. The guest mentioned the apartment complex included homes that were "quadruplexes".

I grew up not far from a couple streets that had rental "quad" houses (that were like 2 twins built side by side and back to back so they each shared a side wall and a back wall with another house), and where they fronted either of the streets. So although the dwellers could use the front and side yards, they didn't "own" them.

[ancianita]

39. I saw that excellent segment. One of Reid's strengths is tackling race and law enforcement issues.

[BumRushDaShow]

41. She also did her "mommy" thing

when talking to the guest's son and he responded pretty good considering what he and his family and his best friend experienced.

[ancianita]

42. She did. She's so good with kids and families.

When she spoke to the mom, though, the woman was so shook up from it all that she kept repeating herself, calling the shooter 'nasty.' On second thought, that's good TV, too, really.

[Best_man23]

32. Let me guess what news channel the shooter watches

Hmm...begins with "F" and rhymes with "Lox".

[LetMyPeopleVote]

33. I am glad that this racist woman has been arrested

Link to tweet

[DemBlue76]

35. Under Florida law, the key is if Owens was trying to forcibly enter

I doubt she was, but how can such a thing be known?

(2) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using or threatening to use defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used or threatened was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses or threatens to use defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

[SunSeeker]

52. How could she possibly have been able to "forcibly enter" a locked front door?

She was a mom in her 30's. She had no battering ram. She was unarmed. All she did was knock on the door with her fingers.

[zanana1]

36. I call it a Kyle Rittenhouse problem.

[FakeNoose]

37. The Washington Post article says this was not a "stand your ground" situation

Thanks to Irisblue for Wapo gift article: https://wapo.st/3CdZSWc

[question everything]

40. Not rushing to make an arrest? What if the races were reversed?

[2live is 2fly]

43. Start by taking a good hard look at both "Qualified Immunity" & "Stand your Ground"

Probably be better off trashing both.

[Bayard]

44. Ms. Owens family released the shooter's name and picture

Covered in a thread from last night.

[kimbutgar]

45. You know the right wing media will make this murderous woman a hero for killing a black mother

Watch for Bannon, Kirk or one of those other jackasses make her a martyr and praise her for standing her ground. I hope go fund me refuses to crowd fund for this killer.

[republianmushroom]

49. Question (?)

How is shooting thru a closed door, "standing your ground" ? I'm a little confused
about this.

[SunSeeker]

51. It's not. It's murder. nt

[electric_blue68]

55. What piece of work. And Why manslaughter, and Not Murder?

[SunSeeker]

61. Good question. nt

[maxsolomon]

66. I think it should be Murder 2nd Degree,

but maybe Man 1 is easier to convict on? There are gun charges, too. She's going to do 20 years for this at least.

Guns make everything worse.

[Hortensis]

67. Investigation has reportedly determined that Lorincz's actions are not justifiable

under Florida law. She's being charged with first-degree manslaughter, rather than murder because investigation did not establish that it was premeditated. First-degree for using a firearm.

Manslaughter with a firearm is assigned a Level 8 offense severity ranking and assessed an additional 18 sentencing points for possession of a firearm under Florida’s Criminal Punishment Code. Absent grounds for a downward departure sentence, a judge is required to sentence a person convicted of manslaughter with a firearm to a minimum sentence of 11½ years in prison, but may also sentence the person up to the statutory maximum of thirty years in prison.

At least this person won't have to listen to the children at play any more.

Horrible tragedy.

[Sugarcoated]

68. JUSTICE RIGHT FUCKING NOW

Make an example out of this right wing psycho

[Hortensis]

69. Not all murderous psychos are RW. Gotta be careful what we wish for. nt