Donald Trump indicted for 2nd time, in classified documents investigation: Sources
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Source: ABC News
Former President Donald Trump has been indicted for a second time, this time on federal charges in relation to his handling of classified information while out of office, sources familiar confirm to ABC News. The former president faces at least seven charges, sources tell ABC News, which include willful retention of national defense information, conspiracy to obstruct justice, withholding a document or record, corruptly concealing a document or record, concealing a document in a federal investigation, scheme to conceal, and false statements and representations.
Maximum sentences for the respective charges, per their statutes, range from five up to 20 years, although any eventual sentence should Trump be convicted would likely be much lower. Trump is set to be arraigned in federal court in Miami on Tuesday at 3 p.m. ET, sources said.
In a statement on social media, Trump wrote Thursday he had been told of the indictment and insisted the case was a "hoax." He has repeatedly denied wrongdoing. Trump wrote he is "INNOCENT" and it was a "DARK DAY" for the U.S. Trump also claimed he is innocent in a video posted to Truth Social, saying: "I am innocent. We will prove that very, very soundly and hopefully very quickly. Thank you very much."
Spokespeople for the Justice Department and special counsel Jack Smith's office declined to comment on Trump's statement. The unprecedented federal indictment of a former president -- who already faces a criminal case in New York City that he denies and who is the current front-runner for the Republican Party's nomination for the White House in 2024 -- further underlines what are potentially the most consequential prosecutions in U.S. history, with both global and domestic implications.
Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/donald-trump-indicted-time-sources/story?id=99408228
Article updated.
Previous articles/headline -
"We're learning from our sources that there appear to be at least seven counts here. This ranges from everything from the willful retention of national defense information to conspiracy to a scheme to conceal, to false statements and representations," ABC News' Katherine Faulders reported during a special report on the network.
In a statement on social media, Trump wrote Thursday he had been told of the indictment and insisted the case was a "hoax." He has repeatedly denied wrongdoing. Trump wrote he is "INNOCENT" and it was a "DARK DAY" for the U.S.
The unprecedented federal indictment of a former president -- who already faces a criminal case in New York City that he denies and who is the current front-runner for the Republican Party's nomination for the White House in 2024 -- further underlines what are potentially the most consequential prosecutions in U.S. history, with both global and domestic implications. Experts say a current U.S. government criminally prosecuting its former leader and current leading opposition party candidate upends long-held norms and could test the nation's democratic system in a manner that stretches far beyond the merits of the case itself.
Former President Donald Trump has been indicted for a second time, this time on federal charges in relation to his handling of classified information while out of office, sources familiar confirm to ABC News. He is set to be arraigned in federal court in Miami on Tuesday at 3 p.m. ET, sources said.
"We're learning from our sources that there appears to be at least seven counts here. This ranges from everything from the willful retention of national defense information to conspiracy to a scheme to conceal to false statements and representations," ABC News' Katherine Faulders reported during a special report on the network.
In a statement on social media, Trump wrote that he had been told of the indictment and insisted the case was a "hoax." He has repeatedly denied wrongdoing. He wrote that he is "INNOCENT" and it was a "DARK DAY" for the U.S.
The unprecedented federal indictment of a former president -- who already faces a criminal case in New York City that he denies and who is the current front-runner for the Republican Party's nomination for the White House in 2024 -- further underlines what are potentially the most consequential prosecutions in U.S. history, with implications both global and domestic. Experts say that a current U.S. government criminally prosecuting its former leader and current leading opposition party candidate upends long-held norms and could test the nation's democratic system in a manner that stretches far beyond the merits of the case itself.
"We're learning from our sources that there appears to be at least seven counts here. This ranges from everything from the willful retention of national defense information to conspiracy to a scheme to conceal to false statements and representations," ABC News' Katherine Faulders reported on during a special report on the network.
In a statement on social media, Trump wrote that he had been told of the indictment and insisted the case was a "hoax." He has repeatedly denied wrongdoing. He wrote that he is "INNOCENT."
The unprecedented federal indictment of a former president -- who already faces a criminal case in New York City that he denies and who is the current front-runner for the Republican Party's nomination for the White House in 2024 -- further underlines what are potentially the most consequential prosecutions in U.S. history, with implications both global and domestic.
Original article/headline -
Former President Donald Trump has been indicted for a second time, sources familiar confirm to ABC News.
In a statement on social media, Trump insisted the case was a "hoax." He has repeatedly denied wrongdoing.
He wrote on social media Thursday that he is "INNOCENT."
This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.
DemBlue76
(78 posts)That is all.
BittyJenkins
(409 posts)Only happens when super good things happen.
Hallelujah 🎶🎺🎶
pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)Playingmantis
(138 posts)TomDaisy
(1,870 posts)Ponietz
(2,966 posts)highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)didn't have a link so I just deleted my post.
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)but then was trying to zoom back and forth along my hundreds of tabs to get something else updated, came back and saw you had self-deleted.
peppertree
(21,627 posts)For once, he's right.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Ooops.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)sheshe2
(83,751 posts)PortTack
(32,762 posts)wnylib
(21,447 posts)are disappointed over not getting confirmation of their negativity.
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sheshe2
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Farmer-Rick
(10,163 posts)I am very happy to be proven wrong. Yup I was wrong and am glad for it.
A little trickle of justice in America.
Beastly Boy
(9,323 posts)I am curious how many will actually express their happiness now.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)And I am happy as fuck!
BobsYourUncle
(120 posts)I cant see it.
My emotions are about as high as the day I sat here and wept!
highplainsdem
(48,975 posts)That was early in the TV report. Don't see it at your link.
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)OK the betting pool is open for the charges!
housecat
(3,121 posts)Chainfire
(17,536 posts)Perhaps that is the venue of the Washington GJ.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)"Mr. Trump was charged with a total of seven counts, including willfully retaining national defense secrets in violation of the Espionage Act"
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)About GD time!!! I want to see the Georgia stuff come right on the heels of this. FUCK YOU TRUMP!!
TexasTowelie
(112,159 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)MLAA
(17,288 posts)What a gift!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)Happened!
brer cat
(24,562 posts)electric_blue68
(14,891 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)crickets
(25,969 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I'm having a spot of bourbon later.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)What a beautiful gift!
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Happy Birthday!!!
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,425 posts)Hekate
(90,674 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)He must be trying to set the stage, "Mr. Bad Actor of the Century". Worst actor EVER!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)I already have my noise-makers out , celebrating! My neighbors don't mind, they're Dems, too.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)I saw it on MSNBC right after I replied. I've started celebrating.
DippyDem
(659 posts)Unwind Your Mind
(2,041 posts)I too am very mature
crickets
(25,969 posts)Get this show on the ROAD. Yis!
Ponietz
(2,966 posts)That mutharatfucker will eat shit and die now.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)Link to tweet
Here is Trumps unhinged announcement:
The corrupt Biden administration has informed my attorneys that I have been indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax, even though Biden has 1,850 boxes at the University of Delaware, additional boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents, strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, which is secured only by a garage door that is paper thin, an open most of the time. I have been summoned to appear at the federal courthouse in Miami on Tuesday at 3 PM. I never thought it possible that such a thing can happen to a former President of the United States.
Please retweet and ❤️ if youre THRILLED that Trump just got federally indicted and consider joining the growing exodus to Tribel, a new Twitter competitor that is exploding in popularity because Elon Musk banned Tribels Twitter account but he forgot to ban this link to download the new Tribel app: http://tribel.app.link/okwPIHYCIqb
Cha
(297,196 posts)BLAH
Sucks to be you, Assface.
electric_blue68
(14,891 posts)Mahalo!
Botany
(70,501 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)brought Every single Crime on himself. .
PortTack
(32,762 posts)lastlib
(23,224 posts)Gurgle durgleblub rurble morgle shorgurgle.......
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Abigail_Adams
(303 posts)Why don't we see your family flocking around you to support you during this trying time?
Richard D
(8,754 posts)I offer you the Scofflaw IndictMint Cocktail
Ingredients
2 ounces of bourbon or rye whiskey
1-ounce of dry vermouth
1/4 ounce lemon juice, freshly squeezed
1 to 2 dashes of grenadine
Sweeten with a dash of Bitter Maga Tears
Garnish with a sprig of mint
MLAA
(17,288 posts)Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)Now we await the gory details.
Novara
(5,841 posts)This came from him? I won't believe this until it comes from the DOJ.
He fooled people the first time. Don't believe it until it's been confirmed by the officials.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Novara
(5,841 posts)IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,816 posts)Novara
(5,841 posts)Hekate
(90,674 posts)Novara
(5,841 posts)Look, I get it. Everybody wants it to be true. But the news came from him. Why would anyone believe him?
He said he was "summoned." That does not mean he's been indicted, and until an official - not anonymous sources - confirm it, I remain skeptical.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)From CNN's Kaanita Iyer
Donald Trump's attorney Jim Trusty confirmed Thursday night that the former president has been charged with seven counts and revealed that the charges break out from an Espionage Act charge.
"It does have some language in it that suggests what the seven charges would be. Not 100% clear that all of those are separate charges, but they basically break out from an Espionage Act charge," he told CNNs Kaitlan Collins.
Trusty called the espionage charge ludicrous, and added that there are also several obstruction-based-type charges and then false statement charges.
He said his team did not get a copy of the indictment but instead received a summons via email. Trusty refused to reveal when his team received the initial letter from the Justice Department that listed Trump as a target of their investigation.
He confirmed that Trump will appear in court Tuesday but would not say which attorneys will be present with the former president.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mar-a-lago-documents-probe-latest/h_ddbf25510e99b56860e5572b121d3bc5
GopherGal
(2,008 posts)Trump's lawyer's name is "Trusty"???
That's some kind of reverse nominative determinism there.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/r5o5tey
That seems appropriate for a Trump lawyer.
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)Not just a river in Egypt
electric_blue68
(14,891 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)Wake me when somebody releases who indicted him and for what.
There's a lot of thoose from and so far all we've had is foot dragging.
Ah, BBC to the rescue: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65852062
Novara
(5,841 posts)I don't believe him and I won't trust anonymous sources.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I don't think a news agency like BBC would run this without some kind of corroboration. Granted, I could be wrong but this makes me optimistic.
Novara
(5,841 posts)... AP is still reporting "DOJ yet to confirm."
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Rastapopoulos
(675 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Its the daily double, since this is his 2nd indictment!
KatyaR
(3,445 posts)RAISE A GLASS TO FREEDOM!
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)Seven counts. Add that to the 34 in the Stormy Daniels case, and you have 41. I can't wait to hear from Georgia and from Smith's other investigation.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)electric_blue68
(14,891 posts)crickets
(25,969 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,425 posts)https://www.justice.gov/news
Crickets so far.
And have an enjoyable, though hazy, evening.
Abigail_Adams
(303 posts)"Mr. Trump was charged with a total of seven counts, including willfully retaining national defense secrets in violation of the Espionage Act."
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)NotASurfer
(2,149 posts)Jail House Rap, anyone?
In jail, in jail, without no bail
In jail, we're in jail because we failed
In jail, in jail, without no bail
In jail, we're in jail because we failed
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Its a glorious day for democracy
Wonder Why
(3,186 posts)crickets
(25,969 posts)Can't wait until the details solidify. So happy!
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)Oops. No, I guess he won't.
Solly Mack
(90,764 posts)Maeve
(42,282 posts)Yeah, rattlesnakes are no criminals: he is.
Willis88
(109 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)El Supremo
(20,365 posts)electric_blue68
(14,891 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,165 posts)Traildogbob
(8,731 posts)patphil
(6,172 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,425 posts)The day before his birthday.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)lastlib
(23,224 posts)Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)One very sweet day has come . . . . !
Paladin
(28,254 posts)She and her associates really handled the breaking news well.
And fuck trump, completely and permanently.
AllaN01Bear
(18,191 posts)Jose Garcia
(2,595 posts)There are definitely a significant number of Trump supporters in South Florida
wnylib
(21,447 posts)Remember that good things come out of Florida, too, like David Hogg.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)stage left
(2,962 posts)and throw away the key!
calimary
(81,238 posts)Oh MAN, LOVE-LOVE-LOVE it!!!!!
Gotta find some chocolate! Cuz I feel like celebrating!!!
My husband wanted to check how Pox Noise is covering it. I sat through about 60 seconds of it, which was more than enough. And they were DESPERATE to rope President Biden into it, about some obscure I-dont-know-what that hes supposed to maybe/kinda/sorta/coulda done when he was Vice President (from what Ive read, its a single flimsy complaint that holds no water and enjoys no basis in fact). I moved to another room to watch the adults who were in charge of the breaking news coverage.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)Now get your worthless ass out of our lives so we can see clearly again you orange POS.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)Banner day for justice for all!!!
wnylib
(21,447 posts)electric_blue68
(14,891 posts)Oh, yeah....And a cartwheel or three! 😄🤸🤸🤸W0000t!!!
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,176 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,309 posts)ancianita
(36,053 posts)Mr. Trump was charged with a total of seven counts, including willfully retaining national defense secrets in violation of the Espionage Act, making false statements and an obstruction of justice conspiracy, according to people familiar with the matter.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/08/us/trump-indictment-documents
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)They have been discussing on MSNBC. Basically DOJ is trying to make sure that it is tried in the correct venue - where MOST of the activities occurred, which would have been in FL - FOR the "documents" case.
The J6 case will involve whatever went on in D.C.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)Miami is exactly the right venue. The rest will be filed in DC.
It's all going well no matter what Parlatore says.
We can breathe easier now, and get ready for this historic year ahead.
The United States of America vs Donald J. Trump
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)if you get my meaning.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)I hear you.
republianmushroom
(13,590 posts)28 months and counting
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)wnylib
(21,447 posts)soliciting donations from his followers to save America.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-indictment-mar-a-lago-documents_n_637ea058e4b06ef4a540b454
wiggs
(7,812 posts)of justice case. I don't know the specifics of the indictment yet, but using 'classified documents' as a catch all is underselling what has happened and may be an example of soft-peddling to walk a fine line.
Not all his transgressions were about just accidentally having classified docs. There are non-classified docs he's not allowed to keep. There are certainly obstruction charges. But at its core, this is about national security, something he doesn't give a whiff about, obviously.
Better memes: Espionage Act. National Security. Willful obstruction. Lying. national secrets. Endangering lives. These start to convey the seriousness and should be included when referring to this case. will be more accurate and will keep die hards from comparing his 'classified docs' issue with others who were found to have them as well.
Novara
(5,841 posts)... he can never be president:
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term office does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
onenote
(42,700 posts)The Courts have made it unambiguously clear that Congress may not add to the requirements for someone to be president.
ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)Mr. B and I celebrated 49 years exactly 2 weeks ago today.
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)Momma
(13 posts)]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/08/donald-trump-charged-retention-classified-documents
Donald Trump charged with illegal retention of classified documents
Twice-impeached ex-president is being prosecuted for violating Espionage Act and obstruction over documents held at Mar-a-Lago
Federal prosecutors have charged Donald Trump with violating the Espionage Act and conspiring to obstruct the criminal investigation among other counts, according to a person familiar with the matter, a historic development marking the most significant legal peril yet for the former president.
The exact nature of the seven-count indictment is unclear because it remains under seal.
At least some of the counts filed in federal district court in Miami by the office of special counsel Jack Smith include the willful retention of national defense information, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, false statements and concealment under title 18 of the US criminal code, the person said.
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)was on MSNBC within the past half hour.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)It will be opened tomorrow night I intend to celebrate.
Novara
(5,841 posts)Nice present if this is really all true.
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)All these June babies!!!
ETA - Alex Wagner read this over the air about 5 minutes ago -
Secret Service personnel to meet with Trump's team tomorrow
Kelly O'Donnell and Megan Lebowitz
Personnel for the Secret Service will meet with Trump's team tomorrow to begin security and logistics planning related to his planned appearance in federal court next week, a Secret Service official said.
Trump is expected to appear in court Tuesday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/live-updates-trump-classified-documents-florida-grand-jury-rcna88233#rcrd13870
Novara
(5,841 posts)The SCOTUS news yesterday was huge as well!
BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)Novara
(5,841 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)The sooner he and his foreign agent detail are behind bars, the better it will be for our national security.
tonekat
(1,814 posts)He's deploying his 100-word mispronounced vocabulary!!
Hoax! Fake News! Deep State! Hilary! Shoot! Crooked! Hunter! Laptop!
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)💖?️💜
3825-87867
(844 posts)W as
I mpeached
T wice
T rump
W as
I ndicted
T wice
He really is a twit (Apologies to John Cleese!)
Upthevibe
(8,042 posts)Thank you for this post....
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lasher
(27,581 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)IT'S A GREAT DAY!!!!!
Marthe48
(16,949 posts)and can't type coherently! lol
democrank
(11,094 posts)Take Trump down and lock his sorry ass up.
Kennah
(14,261 posts)My Ass Getting Arrested Again
orleans
(34,051 posts)loquaciouslimey
(3 posts)So what happens next - The fundraising, the Melania divorce, or he skips town and flies to Russia...where the missing documents are?
chia
(2,244 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,307 posts)evolves
(5,400 posts)AdamGG
(1,291 posts)4 sets of indictments, probably exceeding 60 counts overall. And, I don't see how a case can be made that espionage and attempting an armed overthrow of the government don't merit a prison sentence.
PatrickforB
(14,572 posts)if his father hadn't been rich, would have spent his life in and out of jail. Larceny, fraud, tax evasion.
Just another tawdry politician sent to prison for his crimes.
The blood of at least 400,000 Americans is on his hands, and he nearly caused the death of this republic.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)Pence may be the GOP's 2024 choice.
LaMouffette
(2,030 posts)I can't stop grinning!
Thank you Jack Smith, thank you, Merrick Garland, thank you, everyone at the DOJ who worked to make this happen!!!!!
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,895 posts)Novara
(5,841 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,907 posts)This is just the very beginning of a long long slog (although there will be multiple announcements for multiple cases (next up may be the GA one in August, then the NY state civil trial in October...).
mwb970
(11,358 posts)republianmushroom
(13,590 posts)By declassifying them, would that cause the value of them to go down ?
BonnieJW
(2,264 posts)you always wonder if you'll have enough to do after you retire. All of this will keep the old guy busy and off the streets. Even if he loses all his money, he'll have 3 hots and a cot in prison.
Stuart G
(38,421 posts).4th & final act...Trump goes to jail...or gets away to live in Russia. That is it, and That is All of It.