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BumRushDaShow

(169,756 posts)
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 03:09 PM Jun 2023

Donald Trump pleads not guilty to classified documents charges

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Source: CNN Politics

CNN — Former President Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty to 37 charges related to alleged mishandling of classified documents. Trump’s lawyers asked for a jury trial during the former president’s arraignment Tuesday at a federal courthouse in Miami.

“We most certainly enter a plea of not guilty,” Trump attorney Todd Blanche told the judge. Trump’s aide and co-defendant, Walt Nauta, was also arrested, fingerprinted and processed. He had an initial appearance Tuesday but will not be arraigned until June 27. Here’s what else happened at Tuesday’s hearing, which ended after roughly 45 minutes:

  • Magistrate Judge Jonathan Goodman ruled that Trump could not communicate with Nauta about the case. The judge also told prosecutors to make a list of potential witnesses that Trump can’t communicate with about the case – except through counsel.
  • The judge did not, however, place any travel restrictions on either defendant.
  • The Justice Department recommended that both Trump and Nauta be released with no financial or special conditions. Prosecutor David Harbach said that, “the government does not view either defendant as a flight risk.”
  • Goodman began the hearing thanking “the entire law enforcement community” for their work on Tuesday.
  • Before the arraignment hearing, deputy marshals booked the former president and took electronic copies of his fingerprints. They did not take a mugshot of Trump since he is easily recognizable. The booking process took about 10 minutes.


  • The criminal charges in the Justice Department’s classified documents case escalates the legal jeopardy surrounding the 2024 GOP front-runner. Special counsel Jack Smith attended Tuesday’s arraignment. Trump faces charges in court after historic federal indictment Trump faces 37 felony counts, alleging he illegally retained national defense information and that he concealed documents in violation of witness-tampering laws in the Justice Department’s probe into the materials.

    Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/politics/trump-indictment-federal-court-appearance/index.html



    Article updated.

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    CNN — Former President Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty to 37 charges related to alleged mishandling of classified documents. Deputy marshals booked the former president and took electronic copies of his fingerprints during Tuesday’s proceedings. They did not to take a mugshot of Trump since he is easily recognizable. The booking process took about 10 minutes.

    Trump’s aide and co-defendant, Walt Nauta was also arrested, fingerprinted and processed. The criminal charges in the Justice Department’s classified documents case escalates the legal jeopardy surrounding the 2024 GOP front-runner.

    Tuesday’s hearing is expected to be procedural in nature. Trump will enter a plea, there will be a discussion of the conditions of his pretrial release, and it’s possible that potential restrictions around Trump’s conduct as the case moves forward are brought up. pecial counsel Jack Smith is attending the arraignment.

    Trump is facing 37 felony counts, alleging he illegally retained national defense information and that he concealed documents in violation Jof witness-tampering laws in the Justice Department’s probe into the materials.
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    Donald Trump pleads not guilty to classified documents charges (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 OP
    In other news, his pants suddenly burst into flames. GreenWave Jun 2023 #1
    He denies it, so case over.... getagrip_already Jun 2023 #2
    This case will not be decided before election day Xantanna Jun 2023 #3
    AND YOU KNOW THIS HOW ???? Trueblue1968 Jun 2023 #15
    Wanna bet? Jack Smith has the plan, he was not taken by surprise. marble falls Jun 2023 #18
    Welcome to DU orangecrush Jun 2023 #28
    We shall see! Blue Owl Jun 2023 #38
    Welcome to DU. yes, trumpy will seek multiple delays but I am not sure that Cannon riversedge Jun 2023 #39
    It was the most perfect theft bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #4
    Just having Jack Smith in the courtrooms staring at Trump probably scared him half to death. Lonestarblue Jun 2023 #5
    Exactly right FakeNoose Jun 2023 #23
    He didn't refuse the Indoctrination? Kennah Jun 2023 #6
    Was he deloused? Kennah Jun 2023 #7
    What would be left? FSogol Jun 2023 #12
    He has an aircraft capable of intercontinental travel. Harker Jun 2023 #8
    And how does he get in the air without ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #34
    I think the lawless bastard would flee (by some means) before Harker Jun 2023 #37
    Ok, no plea deal so let's go to trial IronLionZion Jun 2023 #9
    So the FBI is now busy checking for his prints Jarqui Jun 2023 #10
    I would think they already had that when he became President BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #11
    Maybe his lawyers would fight over that as a source of evidence Jarqui Jun 2023 #25
    I expect they also have video (including the security video) BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #29
    If any of their intelligence network could get copies Jarqui Jun 2023 #30
    In that case BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #31
    He can't do jack about the prints ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #35
    And now we wait. And probably too long. He can run regardless oldsoftie Jun 2023 #13
    Didn't he have to Grimelle Jun 2023 #14
    He has his own plane and millions of dollars, but not a flight risk. malthaussen Jun 2023 #16
    I don't think canetoad Jun 2023 #19
    And it doesn't matter ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #36
    Channeling my inner Hamilton ... aggiesal Jun 2023 #17
    Need the whole song BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #20
    Ask & you shall recieve. Here is with the original cast ... aggiesal Jun 2023 #24
    Thanks! I put the lyrics one up BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #26
    I saw it this past November here in San Diego. n/t aggiesal Jun 2023 #32
    It's a play that stays with you BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #33
    Did anyone REALLY expect him to plead guilty? GenThePerservering Jun 2023 #21
    I think people were watching Nauta more BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #22
    Sure he's a flight risk but he won't run Novara Jun 2023 #27

    getagrip_already

    (17,802 posts)
    2. He denies it, so case over....
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 03:15 PM
    Jun 2023

    Move along citizen. Nothing to see here.

    He will be yelling soon at a tfg rally near you.

     

    Xantanna

    (12 posts)
    3. This case will not be decided before election day
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 03:31 PM
    Jun 2023

    His team will seek to delay it, and Judge Cannon will oblige.

    Blue Owl

    (59,103 posts)
    38. We shall see!
    Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:23 PM
    Jun 2023

    I've been skeptical that Dump would ever face justice, but the way things are moving gives me hope!

    riversedge

    (80,810 posts)
    39. Welcome to DU. yes, trumpy will seek multiple delays but I am not sure that Cannon
    Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:39 PM
    Jun 2023

    will on the case. probably will be but always a chance of her recusing.

    Lonestarblue

    (13,480 posts)
    5. Just having Jack Smith in the courtrooms staring at Trump probably scared him half to death.
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 03:48 PM
    Jun 2023

    Trump is not a brave man. He has long had a bodyguard to protect him, even when he wasn’t a controversial figure. I still laugh when I think about the time a man rushed at the stage at a Trump rally and Trump dodged and hid behind agents. When a protester tried to get to Biden on stage, Dr. Jill strong armed him and stopped him in his tracks. Our FLOTUS could take Trump in a nanosecond!

    FakeNoose

    (41,634 posts)
    23. Exactly right
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 06:42 PM
    Jun 2023

    What puzzles me is how Walt Nauta (co-defendant) hasn't figured out that it's not in his best interest to be represented by Chump's lawyers. Sooner or later it's all going to be dumped in Nauta's lap. When that happens it would be too late for him to turn on Chump and say "let's make a deal" to the prosecutors.

    In the last couple days, a few DUers have postulated that Mr. Nauta may have already turned state's evidence, or that he's "wearing a wire" to get more evidence on Chump. But see, that can't be right because the lawyers (his lawyers) would already know about it. His lawyers are Chump's lawyers, and they know who's paying their bills. Nauta has a purpose - he's the pathetic patsy and Chump is fine with throwing him under a bus.

    Jack Smith is a very smart prosecutor, and I'm guessing he's already winning the 3D chess game with Chump.



     

    ExWhoDoesntCare

    (4,741 posts)
    34. And how does he get in the air without
    Wed Jun 14, 2023, 09:39 AM
    Jun 2023

    The Secret Service filing a flight plan with the local (federally controlled) airport, that undoubtedly has a standing bolo on him, as we speak, so they can notify the feds of his "trip?"

    How does he even get to the airport without the SS arrangements with numerous local and state officials to coordinate his trip to the airport?

    And without making arrangements overseas to get the fat traitor from the plane to wherever he's headed?

    Furthermore, you do realize his plane can't reach Russia, Saudi Arabia or Dubai without stopping to refuel along the way...right? He'd most likely refuel in Ireland--and they aren't his biggest fans, you know. They would work with FBI agents (some are stationed overseas, you know) to meet that plane long before the fat nitwit lands.

    He's not going anywhere.

    Harker

    (17,785 posts)
    37. I think the lawless bastard would flee (by some means) before
    Wed Jun 14, 2023, 09:54 AM
    Jun 2023

    he'd surrender for imprisonment.

    If he's free to retain his passport and travel at will, it needn't be a desperate midnight flight directly to a welcoming location.

    Jarqui

    (10,909 posts)
    10. So the FBI is now busy checking for his prints
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 04:34 PM
    Jun 2023

    on the documents he claims the FBI planted ?
    (they probably have his DNA ...)

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,756 posts)
    11. I would think they already had that when he became President
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 04:50 PM
    Jun 2023

    I know per HSPD-12 (Homeland Security Presidential Directive 12), federal employees had to have compliant IDs that included an RF chip with the (electronic) prints and other info embedded in a photo ID card ( "PIV" - Personal Indentity Verification card). The military has their "CAC" (Common Access Card) for a similar purpose.

    Of course he seemed to manage to skirt around "the rules".

    Jarqui

    (10,909 posts)
    25. Maybe his lawyers would fight over that as a source of evidence
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 06:55 PM
    Jun 2023

    The prints on arrest, there's nothing they can complain about.

    As some legal pundits have said, the speaking indictment probably only represents 1/3 of the evidence they have.

    I'm sure they have tucked away evidence to counter his pervious claim that they planted evidence. They evidence was photo graphed as it was found. I'm sure they shot videos of their search.

    When he makes desperate claims like that, he is confirming that he is in deep trouble.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,756 posts)
    29. I expect they also have video (including the security video)
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 07:11 PM
    Jun 2023

    audio recordings (including phone calls), and apparently the detailed notes by one of 45's lawyers, etc., basically "smoking gun" stuff.

    What they prosecution has to do, is to underscore how serious the mishandling classified documents charges are and the gravity of that to the country's safety.

    Jarqui

    (10,909 posts)
    30. If any of their intelligence network could get copies
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 07:49 PM
    Jun 2023

    of some of these documents from a foreign country like Saudi Arabia or Russia ...
    or trace some of the intelligence lost to informants that were killed ...

    that would help make the point.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,756 posts)
    31. In that case
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 08:04 PM
    Jun 2023

    they would be limited regarding what can be revealed to a jury just due to the lack of clearance to view any actual classified docs.

    I think one of the legal analysts on MSNBC today mentioned (I think for what goes on during the discovery) that any reveal of select classified docs could be done - but in a special room (probably a SCIF equivalent) with just the lawyers and any others authorized, and no electronic devices permitted.

     

    ExWhoDoesntCare

    (4,741 posts)
    35. He can't do jack about the prints
    Wed Jun 14, 2023, 09:43 AM
    Jun 2023

    They're automatically uploaded to a database that the FBI can access. All a prosecutor needs to do is file a subpoena for them.

     

    oldsoftie

    (13,538 posts)
    13. And now we wait. And probably too long. He can run regardless
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 04:59 PM
    Jun 2023

    And if he's convicted he can STILL be President. Ridiculous as it may sound.

    malthaussen

    (18,567 posts)
    16. He has his own plane and millions of dollars, but not a flight risk.
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 05:39 PM
    Jun 2023

    Sounds about right to me.

    And if that judge thinks he'll keep his mouth shut, that judge is a fool.

    -- Mal

     

    ExWhoDoesntCare

    (4,741 posts)
    36. And it doesn't matter
    Wed Jun 14, 2023, 09:48 AM
    Jun 2023

    If he has that plane. He has to make flight plans for it--via the Secret Service.

    Even if he manages to escape via a bogus flight plan, his plane doesn't have the range to get to countries he'd try to hide in, so he'd have to stop to refuel before getting to any of them. It's easy enough to grab him at such a location while he waits to refuel.

    Ireland or maybe Scotland would be where he'd stop, and they are no fans of him in either country. They'd take great joy in assisting the FBI in detaining him.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,756 posts)
    26. Thanks! I put the lyrics one up
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 06:56 PM
    Jun 2023

    'cause I know there are some on DU who are hearing impaired.

    I was happy to have seen the play when it came here to Philly back in 2019.

    BumRushDaShow

    (169,756 posts)
    33. It's a play that stays with you
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 09:04 PM
    Jun 2023

    especially given all that is going on politically at the moment.

    What is a hoot is that the Reynold's affair happened here in Philly right near where I used to work. The home is no longer there but a marker is located at the building that is currently there -

    http://www.historyshomes.com/detail.cfm?id=565



    BumRushDaShow

    (169,756 posts)
    22. I think people were watching Nauta more
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 06:39 PM
    Jun 2023

    since is charged as a co- with 45 and then has one charge that is just against him.

    He has yet to break and flip, so will see if he is willing to go down with that ship he signed up to.

    Novara

    (6,115 posts)
    27. Sure he's a flight risk but he won't run
    Tue Jun 13, 2023, 07:01 PM
    Jun 2023

    He thinks he's right, he thinks he can win, and he's going to tamper with the jury - that's a given.

    He's a narcissist. He doesn't think he did anything wrong and the rest of the world is wrong.

    Keep in mind that if he is convicted of Title 18. Section 2071:

    (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.


    Emphasis mine.

    This isn't yet included in the current charges but it's likely that these current charges are not going to be the only charges. Jack Smith is not done.

    In addition, if he is guilty of seditious conspiracy for Jan 6, he absolutely can't hold office. He won't even be the president of the Tacky Bathroom Club.
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