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discocrisco01

(1,684 posts)
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 05:55 PM Jul 2023

An Oklahoma judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking reparations for the 1921 Tulsa race massacre, das

Source: The Guardian



Viola Fletcher, 109, known as Mother Fletcher, the oldest survivor of the Tulsa race massacre, poses for a portrait on Juneteenth in Washington, DC, on Monday, June 19, 2023. Fletcher recently co-published her memoir "Don't Let Them Bury My Story" with her grandson, Ike Howard.

The judge, Caroline Wall, on Friday dismissed with prejudice the lawsuit which attempted to force the city and others to make recompense for the destruction of Greenwood, a once-thriving Black district.

The case involved three survivors of the attack, all now over 100 years old and who sued in 2020, in the hope of seeing what their attorney called “justice in their lifetime”.

Spokespeople for the city and a lawyer for the survivors – Lessie Benningfield Randle, Viola Fletcher and Hughes Van Ellis – did not immediately comment.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/09/tulsa-race-massacre-judge-rejects-reparations-lawsuit

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An Oklahoma judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking reparations for the 1921 Tulsa race massacre, das (Original Post) discocrisco01 Jul 2023 OP
Anybody surprised yesphan Jul 2023 #1
NOPE. LenaBaby61 Jul 2023 #2
was the judge a humpster appointee? AllaN01Bear Jul 2023 #3
Wall ran for re-election for judge of the Oklahoma Judicial District 14. She won in the general elec Fullduplexxx Jul 2023 #4
Germany still pays reparations to the Jews!!! The Jungle 1 Jul 2023 #5
These are totally justified reparations. MSM please dig into this Judge and the decision. Evolve Dammit Jul 2023 #6
Best comment: Ampulae Jul 2023 #7
Basically the argument of the perpetrators moniss Jul 2023 #8
Atonement? Always the tricky part of Christianity. czarjak Jul 2023 #9
Of course she did SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #10
The ministry of truth has been rather busy lately. Ray Bruns Jul 2023 #12
I am disgusted Novara Jul 2023 #11

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
2. NOPE.
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 07:03 PM
Jul 2023

My late grandparents/other relatives and their friends lived through the Tulsa race riots, and it was worse than reported. But then again, Tulsa is one of the most backwards, violent, racist pieces of shit states in the union. Blood Red, and regressive. Karma won't be kind to that judge.

Fullduplexxx

(8,626 posts)
4. Wall ran for re-election for judge of the Oklahoma Judicial District 14. She won in the general elec
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 07:57 PM
Jul 2023

Wall ran for re-election for judge of the Oklahoma Judicial District 14. She won in the general election on November 6, 2018.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
5. Germany still pays reparations to the Jews!!!
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 08:04 PM
Jul 2023

It is stunning that we still refuse to admit our guilt

Ampulae

(22 posts)
7. Best comment:
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 08:49 PM
Jul 2023

From the bishop, saying $70bn for Ukraine against the Russians, but not a single dollar for African ""AMERICAN"" citizens murdered by whites.

moniss

(9,045 posts)
8. Basically the argument of the perpetrators
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 11:13 PM
Jul 2023

and their progeny down through time and going forward is always going to be "It happened a long time ago. Get over it because we're not going to do anything about." Now in the last few years they have added the phrase "You can't teach that it happened either because it makes the progeny of the perpetrators uncomfortable." They've been doing it to Native Americans for a very long time also.

They stole assets of German-Americans during WW 1 and that gets next to no discussion at all ever. We may have some basis for seizing chemical companies but it went much further than that and small businesses and bank accounts were seized. I recall while doing historical research about the period just after WW 2 and finding Historical Society records of pamphlets and brochures from the US Chamber of Commerce and the federal government apparently given out at meetings etc. offering the sale of seized real estate, equipment and patents for bargain rates. People were rounded up in WW 1 much like those of Japanese and German descent were in WW 2 and everything was taken from them even though they had done nothing.

Our country has a long history of an attitude of just ripping assets away from groups of people and then only many decades later even begrudgingly doing a weak apology. Whether in war time, post war years, Jim Crow years or any years the message is still the same. If they want to demonize you as a group and take what you have they will invent any way to do so and use the power of the government to back it up. Think of the billions in wealth taken from Native Americans not just in land seizure but then also in the government knowingly and purposely failing to maintain accurate records of royalties due to the tribes for resource extraction as called for by treaty. The song remains the same. Money and power protecting and paying off money and power.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-confiscated-half-billion-dollars-private-property-during-wwi-180952144/

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
10. Of course she did
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:35 AM
Jul 2023

They have to rewrite the history books and acknowledging past mistakes just makes that harder.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
11. I am disgusted
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:47 AM
Jul 2023

So:

Wall, a Tulsa county district court judge, wrote in a brief order that she was tossing the case based on arguments from the city, the regional chamber of commerce and other state and local government agencies.


And:

The lawsuit dismissal came a day after Ryan Walters, Oklahoma’s Republican superintendent of public instruction, said teachers should not “say that the skin color determined” what happened in the Tulsa race massacre.

Walters, who has advocated against the teaching of racism in US history, was asked at a public forum in Norman, Oklahoma, how the massacre could “not fall” under his interpretation of critical race theory – an academic discipline that examines the ways in which racism operates in US laws and society, which Republicans across the US have turned into a profitable political bugbear.

Walters said: “I would never tell a kid that because of your race, because of your color of your skin, or your gender or anything like that, you are less of a person or are inherently racist.
“That doesn’t mean you don’t judge the actions of individuals. Oh, you can, absolutely. Historically, you should: ‘This was right. This was wrong. They did this for this reason.’

“But to say it was inherent in that … because of their skin is where I say that is critical race theory. You’re saying that race defines a person. I reject that.

“So I would say you be judgmental of the issue, of the action, of the content, of the character of the individual, absolutely. But let’s not tie it to the skin color and say that the skin color determined it.”


Oh really?
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